Do we deserve cheaper R9?

CroPsy - Heavens Tear
CroPsy - Heavens Tear Posts: 476 Arc User
edited January 2013 in General Discussion
With this new, faster, way of getting R9 Stage 3, did we get to the point when R9 have to be cheaper to get?

Nirvana Stage 3 is no match for R9 Stage 3. Almost every PVE dungeion is dead, and currently most active are Nation Wars and Territory Wars = PVP = only R9 people can enjoy NW/TW, others are just toys that they can one-shot.

This 50% sale for Rank stuff is still a lot of money, people who are starting from scratch needs to spend almost ~$765 to buy Rank 9.
It would be nice if this 50% off would become permanent price. It might be a step in the "balancing_things" direction.
I know that this would make those who already bough R9 a bit angry, but that's how a lot of people felt when NW crashed Nirvana market, and when all those hundreds of hours spent on getting Stage 2 Nirvana gear now means nothing.

And cheaper price for Rank 9 could have effect on Canny/Rapture market. I mean, with cheaper R9, there will be a lot more people running around that want's Stage 2 and Stage 3, so demand for Canny/Raptures will be much higher.
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  • Accalica - Heavens Tear
    Accalica - Heavens Tear Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Let's start sending out hardearned r9s in mailbox from next war and on! I believe that will make all of us who worked our ***** off happy. If people are so ignorant they cant understand how much time and effort were spent into getting r9 as a farmer/mercher (which most r9 holders actually are if you speak to them instead of screamin CS in ur head) then idk what's left in PWI for anyone who wants to accomplish something on their own. You want this with what...3 weeks effort in NW? It was bad enough they made all of our NV farming pretty much useless, don't drag in the ones who actually worked the behinds off to be different, aswell.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    You want this with what...3 weeks effort in NW? It was bad enough they made all of our NV farming pretty much useless, don't drag in the ones who actually worked the behinds off to be different, aswell.

    What the hell are you even talking about? This isn't a suggestion thread, you know. It's already happening.
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Let's start sending out hardearned r9s in mailbox from next war and on! I believe that will make all of us who worked our ***** off happy. If people are so ignorant they cant understand how much time and effort were spent into getting r9 as a farmer/mercher (which most r9 holders actually are if you speak to them instead of screamin CS in ur head) then idk what's left in PWI for anyone who wants to accomplish something on their own. You want this with what...3 weeks effort in NW? It was bad enough they made all of our NV farming pretty much useless, don't drag in the ones who actually worked the behinds off to be different, aswell.

    You act like they will not make r9 cheap in the future. We should all know by now, PWE will make "hardwork" and "achievements" pointless. Most players won't be surprised if Rank 9 got some sort of super discount. Look at Rank 8 roughly 2 years ago, and recently, Nirvana. In fact, it was in December that the first cheap rep sale hits, would be pretty funny seeing that trend being passed on to Rank 9, this December.

    This sale is a test, and people will take advantage.
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    You act like they will not make r9 cheap in the future. We should all know by now, PWE will make "hardwork" and "achievements" pointless. Most players won't be surprised if Rank 9 got some sort of super discount. Look at Rank 8 roughly 2 years ago, and recently, Nirvana. In fact, it was in December that the first cheap rep sale hits, would be pretty funny seeing that trend being passed on to Rank 9, this December.

    This sale is a test, and people will take advantage.


    What he said. I was just surprised it happened so fast but then again, they just released NW so it makes sense.
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  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Called cheap r9 sale after I saw the NW forges. Was thinking it'd be perm instead of just some one day sale though. tbh, they probably should make it permanent at this point though.
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  • Accalica - Heavens Tear
    Accalica - Heavens Tear Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    What the hell are you even talking about? This isn't a suggestion thread, you know. It's already happening.

    Stop trying to act like a smartass behind the screen and pay attention to the suggestion and the reply. Hes asking for it to be even cheaper than right now (so no, this isnt happening atm as you state it), and right now it's 50%. I got the right to my opinion and to me this is more than enough seeing how much the average joe can earn in one NW.
    Lol, -removed-, if the change PWI has made so far isnt satisfying enough in being close to given endgame gears. b:bye

    And Knownase, I know theyll make it cheaper - with time as everything else gets here.
    But theres no need to make an instant change in these gears aswell from 0-100, just a few weeks after nirvana one. Do we really need a whole playersbase in s3r9 already? I'm a PVE player, so I want PVE protected. All I see is PWI ruining it by letting these gears become average, without any words on revamping instances or creating new ones. PVP is another thing, but PVP has always been stupid in this game when it comes to gear unbalance, even when everyones in s3r9 they're gonna QQ other classes benefit more from the gears/skills they have.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Stop trying to act like a smartass behind the screen and pay attention to the suggestion and the reply. Hes asking for it to be even cheaper than right now, and right now it's 50%. I got the right to my opinion and to me this is more than enough seeing how much the average joe can earn in one NW. He wants it to be what...70-80% cheaper? Lol, go play a private server, if the change PWI has made so far isnt satisfying enough in being close to given endgame gears. b:bye

    I'm not trying to act like a smartass, I am a smartass. But anyway, speaking of paying attention:
    It would be nice if this 50% off would become permanent price.

    Is all he said. Nothing about making it cheaper than 50%.
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  • Accalica - Heavens Tear
    Accalica - Heavens Tear Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Quoting: 'This 50% sale for Rank stuff is still a lot of money, people who are starting from scratch needs to spend almost ~$765 to buy Rank 9.'


    Depends how you read his statements. b:shutup That line most likely went to my brain as 'I want it to be cheaper than 50%'. Does he state that cause...? He clearly is hinting his opinion in there that it should be brought down even further for it to be considered 'cheap'. Therefor I understood it as he wanting it even cheaper + another suggestion making this perm which to me already is a piece of cake with NW pocket money people have. If you wanna further discuss how people analyze others words differently, take that to PM.
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  • Terrastrike - Lost City
    Terrastrike - Lost City Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This sale doesn't surprise me one bit. I called it two weeks ago to my guild when they crashed the nirvana market. PWE are flogging what's left of their game now. They've destroyed PVE, they've ruined any goals or aspirations people had in game, and they've made people's existing achievements completely worthless. They don't care about your hard work, they care about your money. They've probably realised how many people have quit the game since NW was brought out and are seemingly trying to squeeze as much out of the remaining playerbase as possible before they shut down the servers. If the game is still up this time next year, expect even cheaper prices. R8 was once expensive too, soon R9 will have gone the same way.

    Also OP didn't mention once that he'd like to see it cheaper, he's suggesting that it should stay at this price.
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  • Galliano - Heavens Tear
    Galliano - Heavens Tear Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Well like you already said, people who just started playing.
    Shouldn't be expecting everything to be handed on a silver platter to you when the sudden change from everyone else who had to farm their *** off for cannies and raps now get handed to them over 2 hours.

    This sale is a one off, and even now its still ridiculous, with current server prices and the money people could have made from Nation Wars is insane.

    Thats like half of R9 already without even spending real money.
  • Svaarog - Sanctuary
    Svaarog - Sanctuary Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I fully farmed my r9, no cash shopping or even merchanting at all. I say give everyone cheap r9, does not make me angry or care, same as I don't like getting killed by way overpowered ppl i also do NOT enjoy killing way weaker people, PLUS i had my FUN farming my r9 SOooooo no one can take that away - give everyone r9 i don't care, at least people won't have excuses. Plus anyway, shards and refines are still gonna be just as pricey and naked armor is not a big deal anyway
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  • CroPsy - Heavens Tear
    CroPsy - Heavens Tear Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I believe that will make all of us who worked our ***** off happy.
    I said that some people may be angry/unhappy about that. Same thing happened with Nirvana gear.
    Depends how you read his statements.
    It reads just like it says. $765 is still a lot of money, for that amount you could pay subscription for P2P games for 5 years!
    And I said, quote:
    It would be nice if this 50% off would become permanent price.
    I guess this settles about price of R9 I'm suggesting.
    But theres no need to make an instant change in these gears aswell from 0-100, just a few weeks after nirvana one. Do we really need a whole playersbase in s3r9 already? I'm a PVE player, so I want PVE protected.
    PVE is almost dead in PWI right now. Only PVE action happens in TT, Warsong, Lunar and BH 100. I don't see how lot of players would suddenly be running in R9 Stage 3, cause even at 50%, R9 is still expensive, it will take some time for others to buy R9 or to farm R9.
    Lowering price will just be good for players. We would see a bit more balanced PVP and more activity in Warsong/Lunar runs.
    And it's not just getting R9 Stage 3, getting shards for that gear and refining it also costs a lot of coins/money, so players who p(l)ay more will still have advantage, but not as huge as before.

    Also, for people who don't care that much about PVP, they have option to get Nirvana Stage 3 and that's more than enough for PVE needs.
  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited November 2012

    Nirvana Stage 3 is no match for R9 Stage 3. Almost every PVE dungeion is dead, and currently most active are Nation Wars and Territory Wars = PVP = only R9 people can enjoy NW/TW, others are just toys that they can one-shot.

    Gonna back you up here into some reality.

    One shots:

    Low defense levels, low HP are one shots. Both of these can be overcome with Nirvana Stage 3 just fine, not to mention using an omalleys blessing.

    Nation Wars and Territory Wars = PVP = only R9 people can enjoy NW/TW:

    Not exactly. Last night Frost was full of afk alts and horribly undergeared & underplayed people - lots of people not cooperating. We were down to almost 5 lands last night. I was stuck trying to get into instances for an hour of the two hour Nation War - most of my party was too.

    I'd say 75% of the instances I was in was dominated by the other side's groups (R9 or not) because most of Frost was standing around, afk alts, being one shot, or not actually hitting the other side hard enough.

    Once, I had 4 random Frost with me. I rushed a whole group of Light. Killed 5 of the 7 in about 30 seconds, the archer and Psy ran. That group with me? Still standing around, they didn't do anything. I take it back - the veno started flying.

    I ended up separated from my party because we were all trying to get into any instance possible to get points. I'm R9 - NW was a terrible bore due to the one hour waiting and doing nothing and heading into an instance being one out of the three-five of the 20 people doing anything.

    I also know plenty, and I mean plenty of people with TT99/N1/N2/N3 +5 tops that got lots of points, had a ton of fun, and did well this weekend and last weekend.

    Gear helps. But being active and playing helps more. You definitely don't need uber gear to enjoy Nation Wars, you need activity and people playing.

    The whole "Only R9 can..." is absolute ****. I woulda taken a bunch of level 90 people in TT90 +1 over the sad sacks we had in Frost last night - we may have won a few more battles.
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  • Buff_me
    Buff_me Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Personally, I made my own R9 cheaper then I would get it now with the gold @ 2,1m ea.

    Also, I see a future of PWI -removed- where you can get anything you want in a month b:shutup
  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited November 2012
    Please do not discuss p.servers when discussing this sale. thanks

    The whole "Only R9 can..." is absolute ****. I woulda taken a bunch of level 90 people in TT90 +1 over the sad sacks we had in Frost last night - we may have won a few more battles.


    Let me tell the story of my level 61 bm. Level 61 bm sees 5 people attacking one person who clearly outgears them. They are actually making progress! Then, said persons charm tick. Level 61 rushes in and stuns and debuffs the person so that the group can have a chance. Sometimes said plan works and BM gets their happy contribution. Most times...said group decides to leave this guy to level 61 bm only. Level 61 is promptly one-shot by the now only annoyed strong person. Happened a lot. I don't know why people are so chicken in nation wars. Fight until you got like one spawn left and then move to another territory. I mean seriously. ><

    I think that this sale should probably mostly just make things easier for the people who had been saving up anyway. I don't know many casual players with the equivalent of 745 dollars lying around in their banks. Most of the time people who have that are farmers/merchants or people who would've bought it a bit later anyway.

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  • Buff_me
    Buff_me Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Sorry, thought p.servers name are only banned from forum b:surrender
  • PyroSwordz - Raging Tide
    PyroSwordz - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Was saving for my rank9 Anyway so this sale luckily caught me with a lot of gold before it spiked. Price is rather silly but I won't kick. A gift horse in the mouth
  • Boartracker - Raging Tide
    Boartracker - Raging Tide Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If the game doesn't change, it dies. When the game changes, people complain. It happens. Just like R8 dropping, the new Nirvy T3 and R9 getting cheaper, the game moves on. We don't know what is planned in the future. New gear is possible to get more money for PWI. New instances, higher end levels and all sorts of things are possible/ probable.

    The game changes, enjoy playing the game.

    b:bye
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The sale is needed if you ask me.
    The gold price is 3 times higher now than when I bought my R9 and the sale only made it 50% off.
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  • PyroSwordz - Raging Tide
    PyroSwordz - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If the game doesn't change, it dies. When the game changes, people complain. It happens. Just like R8 dropping, the new Nirvy T3 and R9 getting cheaper, the game moves on. We don't know what is planned in the future. New gear is possible to get more money for PWI. New instances, higher end levels and all sorts of things are possible/ probable.

    The game changes, enjoy playing the game.

    b:bye

    I think what's more the issue is that the PVp aspect eventually becomes a joke. The instances have not kept up with the power of the gear
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If the game doesn't change, it dies. When the game changes, people complain. It happens. Just like R8 dropping, the new Nirvy T3 and R9 getting cheaper, the game moves on. We don't know what is planned in the future. New gear is possible to get more money for PWI. New instances, higher end levels and all sorts of things are possible/ probable.

    The game changes, enjoy playing the game.

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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    i always wondered why there are two types of rank gear for lvl 100..r8 and r9..r9 should have been atleast lvl 103 to obtain..ijs.

    And yeah almost every instance in the game needs a overhaul due to the cake walk runs you can do in them..
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    Purple_fury - Sanctuary Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    i always wondered why there are two types of rank gear for lvl 100..r8 and r9..r9 should have been atleast lvl 103 to obtain..ijs.

    And yeah almost every instance in the game needs a overhaul due to the cake walk runs you can do in them..

    yea make all instances hard for the rank9 3rd cast +12 people so its impossible for everyone else b:surrender that would make the game fair b:embarrass..

    ffs i want to see world chats for " LF rank9 +12 for fb19 " b:victory
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  • Sidwinder - Heavens Tear
    Sidwinder - Heavens Tear Posts: 353 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I don't know as it stands now R9 is what around 2billion coins to get? If Canny and Rapture prices stay the same for a while that's like 2000 NW tokens if you turned them into Canny or Raptures and sold them. Sure it might take months of NW but it would be free or you could speed it up with your money of course but it's a hell of a lot easier already if you ask me.
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  • _Nuriko_ - Lost City
    _Nuriko_ - Lost City Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    You know... I quit PWI 13 months ago, just came back 2 weeks ago to be honest. Even back then everyone was saying game is dead/dying. Oddly enough... it still hasn't!
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  • f31
    f31 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    hej just a question for the server have the sin number decresed as in % or same
    since update.

    might be a blessing idk what do you guys think.
  • CroPsy - Heavens Tear
    CroPsy - Heavens Tear Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm R9 - NW was a terrible bore due to the one hour waiting and doing nothing and heading into an instance being one out of the three-five of the 20 people doing anything.

    I also know plenty, and I mean plenty of people with TT99/N1/N2/N3 +5 tops that got lots of points, had a ton of fun, and did well this weekend and last weekend.

    Gear helps. But being active and playing helps more. You definitely don't need uber gear to enjoy Nation Wars, you need activity and people playing.

    The whole "Only R9 can..." is absolute ****. I woulda taken a bunch of level 90 people in TT90 +1 over the sad sacks we had in Frost last night - we may have won a few more battles.
    I have TT99 gear and I got just over 4k points in NW. That's not the problem.
    I don't enjoy being 1-shot by R9 people. Same will be when I get Stage 3 Nirv, and others get Stage 3 R9, I'll be dead in 1-3 shots.
    That's not fun or funny. It's really frustrating, 6 average geared players vs 1 Stage 3 R9 BM = he just stands there for a minute, not moving, just ticking charm and then he decided to kill us in few seconds.... I guess that's fun for him, but for me it's not.
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It's really frustrating, 6 average geared players vs 1 Stage 3 R9 BM = he just stands there for a minute, not moving, just ticking charm and then he decided to kill us in few seconds.... I guess that's fun for him, but for me it's not.

    Maybe he was checking out the gear of people, or taking a break b:chuckle.

    I know it i not fun being one shot by people, but the flip side is true, why should those who get it, not enjoy it? If someone can solo the 3-3 hard bosses, no reason to hate them, just be happy they invested the time, effort, money to get there. You'll get your r9 if you work for it. Especially if r9 is going to be this cheap, much easier to get r9.

    It is not thee gear that kills you btw. It is refines. 2 nw ago, my hp buffed was 10k. I got one shot left and right. I refined gear to +7, it is 13~14k now, and i live though most of the 10~12k shots. Yes you will have issues killing r9 3rd cast people, but if you gear is equally well refined and sharded, it should still be good fun. Most people who say r9 is OP skip out on refines, shards, ornaments and rings. While the rest of the world is going off making r9 gear, work on your g16 cube neck and warsong belt, it's practically being given out free now since warsoul mats are so cheap to make. Farm your sky cover, cloud stir rings.

    Except warsong belt requiring last boss, all the rest can be soloed or done with a squad with tt90 gear. If you can't solo a pavillion in warsong, random people unlikely to take a person. Friends still can.
  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Its time to remove the Jones blesssing and the 15/15 blessings from the game entirely forever.

    This will help bring some difficulty back to pve dungeons and create the need for more teamwork in pvp.

    Furthermore we play the game to play a game, not log onto facebook to ***** ourselves to the company everyweek.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Its time to remove the Jones blesssing and the 15/15 blessings from the game entirely forever.

    This will help bring some difficulty back to pve dungeons and create the need for more teamwork in pvp.

    Furthermore we play the game to play a game, not log onto facebook to ***** ourselves to the company everyweek.

    They'd have to change the item itself into something different for the people who just fill up their mailbox with them. Turn them into +hp/mp regen or something.
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