New Skill Rebalance In China

truekossy · November 2012

Rophe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Looks like Fishies got screwed on these updates:

(1) 3 skills get updated... It's true they needed to be updated because they used to really really suck.. now they will just suck. Telekinesis was fun to use, but not very useful and the other two are the worst two skills a psychic has. At least they don't cost chi like Red Tide which is also worthless. Why not update that one too along with SoV which needs a 50% boost.

Telekinesis: Additional weapon attack power increased to 150% from 130%. Has twice the critical rate to deal 1.5 times the normal damage.

Sandtrap: Additional weapons attack power increased to 500% from 200%

Torrent: Additional weapon attack power increased to 350% from 100%

Thing is, tideborn were basically the top dogs since they've been released. So it makes sense that with the rebalance, they can buff the other classes to catch up... but by not buffing tides as well, they make it so that, while not nerfing them, their effectiveness is reduced.

Kinda like why the sin morai skills are all kinda **** and are more random utility than actually useful. They couldn't buff sins further or keep them out of the loop, so by giving them the least useful skills, they've made it easier for other classes to close the gap.

banhimpls · November 2012

I'm sure there are more BM skills getting buffed then listed.

Jaabg - Sanctuary · November 2012

banhimpls wrote: »

I'm sure there are more BM skills getting buffed then listed.

Probably people missed it in the update, demon hf is increased to 12 seconds now. Sage version does 200% extra damage.

Lunari_Fenix - Heavens Tear · November 2012

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Probably people missed it in the update, demon hf is increased to 12 seconds now. Sage version does 200% extra damage.

Yeah, unless you can give me an up to date set of CN files, then nope.
While we're on the topic of Sage HF, it looks like the DoT it originally had is removed for the bonus 75 chi at the end of the skill.

banhimpls wrote: »

I'm sure there are more BM skills getting buffed then listed.

Nope that's all of them. None of the axe skills, nor the All-path skills, needed any changes to them. They're pretty balanced as they are, despite most people not touching the all-path ones, bar the essentials.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · November 2012

I like the idea of Sage HF costing 1.25 sparks instead of 2.

Not surprised TB classes are getting the short end of the stick here. It's obvious due to their OP status since release. This will make things interesting.

Longknife - Harshlands · November 2012

truekossy wrote: »

Thing is, tideborn were basically the top dogs since they've been released. So it makes sense that with the rebalance, they can buff the other classes to catch up... but by not buffing tides as well, they make it so that, while not nerfing them, their effectiveness is reduced.

Kinda like why the sin morai skills are all kinda **** and are more random utility than actually useful. They couldn't buff sins further or keep them out of the loop, so by giving them the least useful skills, they've made it easier for other classes to close the gap.

The problem is that it looks as though they're afraid to nerf anybody, cause surely someone will cry. It's a nice effort, but no matter how you look at it, sins are OP because of the sheer amount of control skills they have and their ridiculous DPS directly out of stealth. Simply neglecting them for the next ~4 updates or whatever still won't cut it; they're THAT OP and simply need a nerf.

Vancore - Sanctuary · November 2012

Rophe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Looks like Fishies got screwed on these updates:

(1) 3 skills get updated... It's true they needed to be updated because they used to really really suck.. now they will just suck. Telekinesis was fun to use, but not very useful and the other two are the worst two skills a psychic has. At least they don't cost chi like Red Tide which is also worthless. Why not update that one too along with SoV which needs a 50% boost.

Telekinesis: Additional weapon attack power increased to 150% from 130%. Has twice the critical rate to deal 1.5 times the normal damage.

Sandtrap: Additional weapons attack power increased to 500% from 200%

Torrent: Additional weapon attack power increased to 350% from 100%

personally i would like them to boost the freeze rate form 60% to 75% for lvl10 and make demon 90%, no changes to damage just that freeze rate cause 60% freeze at lvl10 is bull always has been, and for those that think its a bad idea and would be OP think about all the other freeze skills skills in this game im fairly sure the only skill with a lower one is hail storm

banhimpls · November 2012

Skill Name: Flash
Deals 150% of base physical damage to the target and 300% of weapon damage. Also deals an
additional 150% damage if target's health is higher than your own, this occurs after initial damage.
One hundred percent accuracy.

Requires 1 spark, 2 minute cool down.

Now, is ^ that skill like that or 300% base physical damage?

Skills Name: Spirit Chaser
Summon shadow blades to rapidly strike the enemy. Inflicts
base physical damage plus 3777.0 plus 80% of weapon damage.

Skill Name: Atmos Strike
A strike of incredible force, dealing base physical damage plus 180% of weapon damage
plus 4320.0 and knocking the target
back 18.0 meters. A successful hit has a chance to gain Chi.

Skill Name: Mage Bane
A ray of brilliance wounds the enemy inflicting base physical
damage plus 4863.0 plus 50% of weapon damage. For the next 8.0 seconds
the enemy's channeling time is decreased by 100%. Has a
chance to cast without consuming Spark. One hundred percent accuracy.

Requires one Spark.

Skill Name: Myriad Sword Stance
Deals base physical damage plus 200% of
weapon damage plus 8820.0.
Reduces enemy physical attack by 200% and magical attack by 300% for 15
seconds. Has a chance to cast with only one Spark consumed.

If this was longer than 15 seconds, it would be a nicer skill.

^ Those skills do sure have a lot of % damage in them huh?

Lunari_Fenix - Heavens Tear · November 2012

banhimpls wrote: »

Skill Name: Myriad Sword Stance
Deals base physical damage plus 200% of
weapon damage plus 8820.0.
Reduces enemy physical attack by 200% and magical attack by 300% for 15
seconds. Has a chance to cast with only one Spark consumed.

I'm gonna have to explain how this one works:
When it's used against monsters (PvE) The old 50% debuff is active.
If you use it on a player (PvP) then you get your 300%/200% debuffs.
It's the same situation with Glacial Spike, (and maybe Mage Bane)
You get the old debuffs for PvE and the new ones for PvP.
You still get the extra weapon damage boosts for either one, but, the debuff boosts are PvP only. It's a shame though, the new MSS debuffs would've been a huge help for lesser geared squads.
Expansion is literally at our doorstep, so, everyone will get to see the proper changes made. If PW hasn't messed up any translations.b:surrender

Altairego - Heavens Tear · November 2012

Poor sins got totally left out.b:sad

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary · November 2012

Altairego - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Poor sins got totally left out.b:sad

And for a reason, sins should still be nerfed in order to balance the game further, be happy it`s only crappy skills.

Altairego - Heavens Tear · November 2012

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

And for a reason, sins should still be nerfed in order to balance the game further, be happy it`s only crappy skills.

What if they nerfed all the chi gaining skills by 50%.b:laugh

Vancore - Sanctuary · November 2012

Altairego - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What if they nerfed all the chi gaining skills by 50%.b:laugh

there would be a spontaneous parade of orgasms in arch

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary · November 2012

Altairego - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What if they nerfed all the chi gaining skills by 50%.b:laugh

Still wouldn`t be as bad. b:chuckle

Cedro - Sanctuary · November 2012

OK time to bump this dead thread, there are new skills going to be added on December 28.

The changes are so far have been leaked for Barbies and Venomancers, it seems that both have new transformations, its not confirmed if there are more changes or not.

http://bbs.w2i.wanmei.com/viewthread.php?tid=2092374&

The following is taken from the 178 fansite, and is not official and may not be true, but at this point I think is actually true.

http://bbs.178.com/thread-19513709-1-1.html

I'm however stuck at work and cant post anything else besides this goggle translation. There is also some information about the Phoenix pet, something about upgrading it, anyway stuck at work until tonight.

New skills:
Barbies:
The demon linghuan beast consume little real transfiguration hit 300% increase defense rating by 40 for 60 seconds, can not disperse, common use can not be changed with the white tiger, not shared cooling;

Venomancers:
Demon, demon linghuan consume little real dollars, transfiguration dodge by 400%, ignoring the various actions hinder state every second for 10% of the maximum life's blood, for 15 seconds, can not be dispelled, not with a fox becomes common, not Shared cooling;

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · November 2012

Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »

OK time to bump this dead thread, there are new skills going to be added on December 28.

The changes are so far have been leaked for Barbies and Venomancers, it seems that both have new transformations, its not confirmed if there are more changes or not.

http://bbs.w2i.wanmei.com/viewthread.php?tid=2092374&

The following is taken from the 178 fansite, and is not official and may not be true, but at this point I think is actually true.

http://bbs.178.com/thread-19513709-1-1.html

I'm however stuck at work and cant post anything else besides this goggle translation. There is also some information about the Phoenix pet, something about upgrading it, anyway stuck at work until tonight.

New skills:
Barbies:
The demon linghuan beast consume little real transfiguration hit 300% increase defense rating by 40 for 60 seconds, can not disperse, common use can not be changed with the white tiger, not shared cooling;

Venomancers:
Demon, demon linghuan consume little real dollars, transfiguration dodge by 400%, ignoring the various actions hinder state every second for 10% of the maximum life's blood, for 15 seconds, can not be dispelled, not with a fox becomes common, not Shared cooling;

This should probably go in a new topic. That barb transformation is silly when barbs are already impossible to kill. Here are the images that were attached to the 178 post (you need an account there to see them).
http://imgur.com/a/vph19

I'm not sure if this is real though.

Desdi - Sanctuary · November 2012

Well that's...eh..interesting? And Phoenix upgrade? Maybe it will give me a better reason to actually buy it XD

xian3 · November 2012

新增技能：

妖灵幻兽消耗一点真元，变身后命中提升300%，防御等级增加40，持续60秒，无法驱散，不可与白虎变共同使用，不共享冷却；

妖灵幻妖消耗一点真元，变身后闪避提升400%，无视各种行动阻碍状态，每秒回复10%生命上限的血量，持续15秒，无法驱散，不可与妖狐变共同使用，不共享冷却；

NEW ADDED SKILLS:

tiger transformation: consumes one spark, after transformed accuracy increased by 300%, defense level increased by 40, last for 60 seconds, can not be purged, can not be used with Tiger Form at same time, do not shared cool down with Tiger Form;

fox transformation: consumes one spark, after transformed evasion increased by 400%, immune to any movement debuff, recover 10% max hp every second, last for 15 seconds, can not be purged, can not be used with Fox Form at same time, do not shared cool down with Fox Form.

Desdi - Sanctuary · November 2012

xian3 wrote: »

fox transformation: consumes one spark, after transformed evasion increased by 400%, immune to any movement debuff, recover 10% max hp every second, last for 15 seconds, can not be purged, can not be used with Fox Form at same time, do not shared cool down with Fox Form.

That's not too bad and the form looks pretty lol although I'm questioning it's usefulness...considering that there are so many skills that consume chi/sparks already o.o

Geckofreak - Sanctuary · November 2012

note to self, never let google chrome translate chinese ever again.

"explosion urine! Explosion urine! December 28 update:"

thats what the top line became ><

Desdi - Sanctuary · November 2012

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

note to self, never let google chrome translate chinese ever again.

"explosion urine! Explosion urine! December 28 update:"

thats what the top line became ><

b:shocked that's quited messed up

Vancore - Sanctuary · November 2012

xian3 wrote: »

新增技能：

妖灵幻兽消耗一点真元，变身后命中提升300%，防御等级增加40，持续60秒，无法驱散，不可与白虎变共同使用，不共享冷却；

妖灵幻妖消耗一点真元，变身后闪避提升400%，无视各种行动阻碍状态，每秒回复10%生命上限的血量，持续15秒，无法驱散，不可与妖狐变共同使用，不共享冷却；

NEW ADDED SKILLS:

tiger transformation: consumes one spark, after transformed accuracy increased by 300%, defense level increased by 40, last for 60 seconds, can not be purged, can not be used with Tiger Form at same time, do not shared cool down with Tiger Form;

fox transformation: consumes one spark, after transformed evasion increased by 400%, immune to any movement debuff, recover 10% max hp every second, last for 15 seconds, can not be purged, can not be used with Fox Form at same time, do not shared cool down with Fox Form.

those sound OP as all hell

Regenbogen - Lost City · November 2012

if evasion wasn't so useless b:shutup
free full heal, survivalskill lets hope the cd isn't more than 1minute...

Geckofreak - Sanctuary · November 2012

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

if evasion wasn't so useless b:shutup
free full heal, survivalskill lets hope the cd isn't more than 1minute...

400% evasion will make archers, bms, sins and barbs miss like 70% of the time, the healing will let you survive, basically this skill is just to run in, purge/amp and run back out for tw, venos have been having a hard time getting close in tw recently

Terrastrike - Lost City · November 2012

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

note to self, never let google chrome translate chinese ever again.

"explosion urine! Explosion urine! December 28 update:"

thats what the top line became ><

'explosion urine warm urine to look at the content of the December 28 update to'

My sides b:chuckle

Quilue - Sanctuary · November 2012

Too bad barbs and sins have skills that don't miss, and evasion is still vulnerable to Roar.

I'd rather have pdef for running in and purging than popping a spark for a bunch of evasion. Demon venos have anti stun with sprint, and Feral Concentration was supposed to be buffed anyway.

truekossy · November 2012

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

400% evasion will make archers, bms, sins and barbs miss like 70% of the time, the healing will let you survive, basically this skill is just to run in, purge/amp and run back out for tw, venos have been having a hard time getting close in tw recently

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Too bad barbs and sins have skills that don't miss, and evasion is still vulnerable to Roar.

I'd rather have pdef for running in and purging than popping a spark for a bunch of evasion. Demon venos have anti stun with sprint, and Feral Concentration was supposed to be buffed anyway.

This.

400% evasion isn't exactly going to help arcane venos at all since you'd be looking at what? 500-600 evasion tops if they have gear/a tome with +dex or +evasion. That's really not gonna do jack against everyone and their grandma running around with 4k+ accuracy (or 9k+ in the case of archers/assassins) not to mention all the "does not miss" skills.

I'd much rater have the higher pdef and simply run in with antistun + immune.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary · November 2012

truekossy wrote: »

This.

400% evasion isn't exactly going to help arcane venos at all since you'd be looking at what? 500-600 evasion tops if they have gear/a tome with +dex or +evasion. That's really not gonna do jack against everyone and their grandma running around with 4k+ accuracy (or 9k+ in the case of archers/assassins) not to mention all the "does not miss" skills.

I'd much rater have the higher pdef and simply run in with antistun + immune.

yes i know its not ideal, but thats the purpose of it

truekossy · November 2012

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

yes i know its not ideal, but thats the purpose of it

Thing is, saying it'd make anyone miss anywhere near 70% of the time would require the veno to be a pure dex build since otherwise the evasion is going to do exactly... nothing. And the healing's going to be kinda useless since you'll run in, amp/purge, and run out under immune anyways. Basically, it's not changing anything we already do at all and seems kinda useless since it has a spark cost on top of it.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary · November 2012

truekossy wrote: »

Thing is, saying it'd make anyone miss anywhere near 70% of the time would require the veno to be a pure dex build since otherwise the evasion is going to do exactly... nothing. And the healing's going to be kinda useless since you'll run in, amp/purge, and run out under immune anyways. Basically, it's not changing anything we already do at all and seems kinda useless since it has a spark cost on top of it.

sorry, i was being stupid and thinking about my own evasion, and thinking that condor gave 300% not 1000% XD

disregard my stupidity!

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