HA venos share your builds!

Pantherlilie - Archosaur
Pantherlilie - Archosaur Posts: 61 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Venomancer
Saw a thread with an LA veno doing this so i thought id get the heavy side :D

here is my current build b:laugh
http://pwcalc.com/39c24cad7ed8010e
and here is with my hammers that i use in human form(the sword is soley for fox form)
http://pwcalc.com/88476cbcd62e446f

share your build guys and what is your opinion on mine?
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  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Did you read the HA veno guide? It indicates that a HA veno must never add to Vit. Do you plan on restatting the vit? Whats your theory on this.
  • Pantherlilie - Archosaur
    Pantherlilie - Archosaur Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Did you read the HA veno guide? It indicates that a HA veno must never add to Vit. Do you plan on restatting the vit? Whats your theory on this.


    i accidentally over vitted at lower levels by my vit is never dropping below 15 even after i restat it.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Saw a thread with an LA veno doing this so i thought id get the heavy side :D

    here is my current build b:laugh
    http://pwcalc.com/39c24cad7ed8010e
    and here is with my hammers that i use in human form(the sword is soley for fox form)
    http://pwcalc.com/88476cbcd62e446f

    share your build guys and what is your opinion on mine?

    you will always do more damage in foxform with proper magic sword or glaive in fox form than you will with a axe/sword/hammer/pole in human. keep melee mastery leveled, and get rid of your vit to put it in mag to hold a better mag weapon
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  • Pelli - Dreamweaver
    Pelli - Dreamweaver Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    you will always do more damage in foxform with proper magic sword or glaive in fox form than you will with a axe/sword/hammer/pole in human. keep melee mastery leveled, and get rid of your vit to put it in mag to hold a better mag weapon

    I may not be HA but I have to agree with you. Although I don't have a magic sword at the moment at lvl 99 (I have the TT99 pataka ;P), I can agree to that fully. I can easily deal around 3k dmg on normal hits against Nivastok Braves with said pataka.

    Fox Form is your best way of dishing out large amounts of damage. Besides, with those kind of build, mainly LA and HA, you have no points to spare in vitality.
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  • Sagira - Lothranis
    Sagira - Lothranis Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Mine with HA gear on http://pwcalc.com/9f650e2b5191b7b2
    And with AA gear http://pwcalc.com/7ac7195a93a491da
    I can also mix and match pretty freely at the moment depending on what I need. And yeah, I'm aware I probably shouldn't have sharded my gear yet at this point. Figured that with the rate I level I'll end up using that gear for a while.

    I have Cuisses and Sleeves of Sea Captain waiting for when I can **** myself to level a bit. Magic damage is nowhere near what it could be with a pure build, but at least I can tank some bosses (with a healer) while pet debuffs. And clawing away at big bad mobs as a fox while taking little damage is fun! Not being able to have pet tank as much stuff is somewhat limiting, but I've gotten used to it.

    As for your build, that vit is something you really shouldn't have, because of it you have to use subpar equipment. If you took that vit away (and got a good magic sword), you'd do way better damage in melee than you currently do. You'd also be able to wear a bit better armor, I think. To compare, your average melee DPS with the hammer is 1667, mine is 2826 in fox form with the sword. Melee Mastery easily makes up for the lower base damage of magic swords. They also have a way faster rate of attack than those hammers, making your DPS a lot better. Fox Form also gives you a lot more accuracy and defense, making your life a lot easier and don't forget all the skills you can't use with hammers, like amp.

    When you get a few more levels, I'd pay more attention to your stats in general, to see how much exactly you need for your next level of equipment and how much stats your gear can give you then so you don't waste any stat points. In the end, though, if you're having fun with your build and aren't slowing your squads down too much it's all good.
  • Pantherlilie - Archosaur
    Pantherlilie - Archosaur Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Mine with HA gear on http://pwcalc.com/9f650e2b5191b7b2
    And with AA gear http://pwcalc.com/7ac7195a93a491da
    I can also mix and match pretty freely at the moment depending on what I need. And yeah, I'm aware I probably shouldn't have sharded my gear yet at this point. Figured that with the rate I level I'll end up using that gear for a while.

    I have Cuisses and Sleeves of Sea Captain waiting for when I can **** myself to level a bit. Magic damage is nowhere near what it could be with a pure build, but at least I can tank some bosses (with a healer) while pet debuffs. And clawing away at big bad mobs as a fox while taking little damage is fun! Not being able to have pet tank as much stuff is somewhat limiting, but I've gotten used to it.

    As for your build, that vit is something you really shouldn't have, because of it you have to use subpar equipment. If you took that vit away (and got a good magic sword), you'd do way better damage in melee than you currently do. You'd also be able to wear a bit better armor, I think. To compare, your average melee DPS with the hammer is 1667, mine is 2826 in fox form with the sword. Melee Mastery easily makes up for the lower base damage of magic swords. They also have a way faster rate of attack than those hammers, making your DPS a lot better. Fox Form also gives you a lot more accuracy and defense, making your life a lot easier and don't forget all the skills you can't use with hammers, like amp.

    When you get a few more levels, I'd pay more attention to your stats in general, to see how much exactly you need for your next level of equipment and how much stats your gear can give you then so you don't waste any stat points. In the end, though, if you're having fun with your build and aren't slowing your squads down too much it's all good.



    my average DPS now that i have TT60 axes is around 2500, but i dont use the axes in human form for OP damage, i do it because they look cool and because they are fun to use. and i plan to drop my vit, just no lower than 15 because i am doing the build for defense more than attack and i dont want to be low HP without gear.. with gear my magic is now 120 and i plan to raise it further as i have for the past 20 lvls.
  • Sagira - Lothranis
    Sagira - Lothranis Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    my average DPS now that i have TT60 axes is around 2500, but i dont use the axes in human form for OP damage, i do it because they look cool and because they are fun to use. and i plan to drop my vit, just no lower than 15 because i am doing the build for defense more than attack and i dont want to be low HP without gear.. with gear my magic is now 120 and i plan to raise it further as i have for the past 20 lvls.

    Heh, it's not often you hear OP damage being mentioned when talking about venos these days. I wish venos could deal enough damage to be considered OP now.

    Anyways, as I said, as long as you are having fun and aren't slowing others down it's all good. It's a game so fun should be had! Though I would argue those 10 points in vit (120hp) don't really do that much at higher levels compared to how much they would help in getting gear. I could be wrong, of course.
  • Pantherlilie - Archosaur
    Pantherlilie - Archosaur Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Heh, it's not often you hear OP damage being mentioned when talking about venos these days. I wish venos could deal enough damage to be considered OP now.

    Anyways, as I said, as long as you are having fun and aren't slowing others down it's all good. It's a game so fun should be had! Though I would argue those 10 points in vit (120hp) don't really do that much at higher levels compared to how much they would help in getting gear. I could be wrong, of course.


    id love to see more damage potential in venos b:laugh and that would be 120 more HP than i had if i didnt have it. i have survived with 4 HP at times so a buffer zone of 120 is quite nice.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    there are many better ways of getting HP than through using your stat points on vit
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  • Pantherlilie - Archosaur
    Pantherlilie - Archosaur Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    there are many better ways of getting HP than through using your stat points on vit

    there are but im not about to not give a character vitality just because there are better ways. every time i play a game with vit stats i always have more than base vitality. like i said, that 120 vit is 120 more than i had if i didnt have the vit.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    there are but im not about to not give a character vitality just because there are better ways. every time i play a game with vit stats i always have more than base vitality. like i said, that 120 vit is 120 more than i had if i didnt have the vit.

    Fair enough, but add it to magic and you'll have much better magic defenses than 120 vit will give you. You'll take alot less damage, even if you have slightly less hp, and you'll kill faster. Besides, endgame, 100 vit is something like 10% of your total hp.

    Here is my unbuffed veno in his HA gear. My stats aren't exactly like that but pretty close, to lazy to log in game and check exactly. Eventually I'll have a G16 magic sword to bonk mobbies with but have been too lazy to set that up. Fully buffed right now he's at 33.7k pdef and 7.5k mdef.

    I'm working towards a full G16 AA set on swap for my casters but don't have it yet, just the wrist and boots. Its beautiful that G16 has so many +magic stats since I should be over 400 magic stat points with it on.

    Debating with HA/AA when I swap to G16 AA pieces do I go for 5 piece +15 def level bonus and swap helm, or do I keep HA helm for the huge +hp difference. I'm inclined to just use my HA helm all the time since it gives more hp which is less I have to replace when swapping back and forth and my HA helm is already refined up.
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  • Pantherlilie - Archosaur
    Pantherlilie - Archosaur Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Fair enough, but add it to magic and you'll have much better magic defenses than 120 vit will give you. You'll take alot less damage, even if you have slightly less hp, and you'll kill faster. Besides, endgame, 100 vit is something like 10% of your total hp.

    Here is my unbuffed veno in his HA gear. My stats aren't exactly like that but pretty close, to lazy to log in game and check exactly. Eventually I'll have a G16 magic sword to bonk mobbies with but have been too lazy to set that up. Fully buffed right now he's at 33.7k pdef and 7.5k mdef.

    I'm working towards a full G16 AA set on swap for my casters but don't have it yet, just the wrist and boots. Its beautiful that G16 has so many +magic stats since I should be over 400 magic stat points with it on.

    Debating with HA/AA when I swap to G16 AA pieces do I go for 5 piece +15 def level bonus and swap helm, or do I keep HA helm for the huge +hp difference. I'm inclined to just use my HA helm all the time since it gives more hp which is less I have to replace when swapping back and forth and my HA helm is already refined up.


    I had a re-occurring typo in there. i meant to put HP instead of vit. id only have 15 vitality which still isnt that much considering i have 60 currently. that is 45 more points into my magic which is at 120 currently with gear.
  • kisgyengusz
    kisgyengusz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    My current gear: http://pwcalc.com/2a9a3c76d9b3cbe8
    And planned to be end gear: http://pwcalc.com/a63974654370f8d9
  • Veneir - Dreamweaver
    Veneir - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,541 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Err..
    Ven's armours and stuff in FF as of this very post
    I can't figure out why the magic def is like 10 lower than it is xD! but yeah. I can indeed equip the LG95 armours with my stats, I just don't have the armour made yet.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    http://pwcalc.com/0b56df1058b1fde8

    the cloudstir, neck, belt, and armor top can be interchanged for channeling ornaments, interval ornaments, channeling top, and phys attack ring, depending on the situation, since none of them have stats necessary for equipping the rest of the equipment.

    the only sad part is i cant wear low level fists for building chi, but im sage, so its not much of a problem, and i cant wear axes to run around looking goofy, since the 18 str on the sword was statted out for more magic.
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