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  • Selak - Dreamweaver
    Selak - Dreamweaver Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    mm2000 wrote: »
    Troll is overused by stupid people, enough with the term.

    I do the same thing with bringing my alts to kill and annoy others in there too, is that a problem?

    Nope totally expected behavior, just childish.
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  • Linc - Raging Tide
    Linc - Raging Tide Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Same things happens in Territorys Wars. Peoples logs alts in the enemies factions to disrupts their gameplay. Seems if the clients allow for this, then folks are going to abuse it. The best I can do is enjoy playing my game and try and ignore how others plays theirs games.

    Thanks for posting though, it at least starts a conversation about improvements to the system. Maybe something will change one day.

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  • Prophete - Dreamweaver
    Prophete - Dreamweaver Posts: 283 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Couldn't they add some auto-kick function for people iddle more than 5min or something?
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
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    Prophete - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Couldn't they add some auto-kick function for people iddle more than 5min or something?

    +1

    If you have to go to the bathroom, go before you enter a battle or tough it out until you are done. The battles themselves don't last forever.
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  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Terrastrike - Lost City wrote: »
    This would work, but would also catch out people who go for a drink break/toilet break etc b:laugh

    Sitting at a PC for 2 hours straight is a long time without a few minutes break. They should implement such a timer, but only on the battlefield, I think people should be allowed to AFK during the event outside of the battlefield. b:chuckle

    Outside the battlefield is fine, I'd say; you aren't getting contribution sitting at base anyway. But there should be an afk timer inside the battles (2-5 minutes). Would also help active people get into battles instead of having alts fill them.
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    Torchwood (BM) - Sataea (Seeker) - Wystera (Sin) - Allissere (SB)

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  • seitori
    seitori Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Svaarog - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have a weakly geared sin friend, she never pvp'd before, she entered all battles for 2 hours but did not really make whole lot of killings, she still did not get anything even tho she was around and trying so not sure if completely afk chars get anything either, tho I agree its stupid to crowd the place up with your alts, did not even consider doing it

    Liam_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Could be because sins are an overpopulated class. Therefore your friend would be competing against a whole bunch of other sins for contribution for that class and might miss the mark. However I really don't know. I felt I did pretty poor, a handful of kills and captured one flag, and I still got tokens. It would be nice if PWI outlined what gives contribution, though on the other hand it might get abused if they did.



    I honestly don't think it would be a {SIN class} competition bit... I went into this fridays NW with a Lowly {90s lv Sin} with laughably mediocre gear, on a squad who had half the squad members abandon the NW instance entirely & leaving the rest of us in the lurch, and I still got enough tokens too trade for stuff to sell for 1.5 mill (and most the time our remaining squad members were all over the map territories, I honestly don't think we were together on any battlefield for more then 25 minutes or so, during the entire 2 hours...b:chuckle) And all I did for most the NW was run (stun support) escort for the flag runners ~ and for ambush parties against the enemy nations s2-s3 fighters (who I had no chance against myself)


    ((Though in the last 10 minutes of the war ~ I noticed an enemy nations territory, which was about to come up for invasion after its timer had elapsed and which was isolated from reinforcement from its nation, and invaded it myself the moment it opened up, and had already captured & placed both flags myself, by the time the next 5 members of my nation had been able to travel to the field & entered it, so I did succeed at capturing the field all by myself with only a couple of enemies on it))


    Anyways it was the enemies faults that they didn't use their {aero gears} too find me faster, and stop me from planting the flags.....LMAOoooo!!!! !!b:laugh
  • Star_Prism - Archosaur
    Star_Prism - Archosaur Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    I had fun with this last night. I found a barb who was obviously AFK so I stood next to him and used Dragon's Breath for about 3 minutes and just watched his charm tick. Wonder if he thinks the reward he received was worth the price of the charm I wrecked. b:laugh
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  • seitori
    seitori Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Star_Prism - Archosaur wrote: »
    I had fun with this last night. I found a barb who was obviously AFK so I stood next to him and used Dragon's Breath for about 3 minutes and just watched his charm tick. Wonder if he thinks the reward he received was worth the price of the charm I wrecked. b:laugh


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  • Cedro - Sanctuary
    Cedro - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
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    Prophete - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Couldn't they add some auto-kick function for people iddle more than 5min or something?


    This, if you don do anything from more than 5 minutes you are kicked from the instance with no reward.
  • Svaarog - Sanctuary
    Svaarog - Sanctuary Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This, if you don do anything from more than 5 minutes you are kicked from the instance with no reward.

    Thats a bit drastic, yesterday i took a smoke break in the middle of the event because i felt like it, i did event with 1 and only toon; I already have to wake up before 5am to do event, now to be tied in it for 2 non afk hours? No ty.
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  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    I was actually thinking that with the popularity of NW increasing, this probably wont be an issue anymore.

    I was playing one char last time and as many said in a different thread it was so difficult to get into a fight many times due to them filling up so quick, that it would be very difficult to coordinate 2 chars to get in the same territory.

    Sure some people will do it, but the time wasted getting it accomplished would probably be better spent on one char playing normally.

    Maybe for someone with say a 60char and an 80char could still make more tokens with this cheat method, even if they only get 5 or 10, because doing NW on one char might yield them 0....
  • Jeremied - Sanctuary
    Jeremied - Sanctuary Posts: 2,259 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Prophete - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Couldn't they add some auto-kick function for people iddle more than 5min or something?

    Brilliant. I'd say make it 10 minutes or something, so those people that get locked into their bases by the enemy and can't move for 5+ minutes won't get auto-kicked. And something that can tell if you're just spending a lot of time in one long, epic battle.
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  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited November 2012
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    merged existing topics about this issue. I'll so try to poke GMs about this after the holiday break.

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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Probably the most effective use is put them in a nation that your main is not in so they take up space. If you're putting them in wars and effectively making a 19 v 20 TW then you are hurting you own Nation and may ultimately get less supply tokens. If you put it in an opposing nation then they have the dead weight, perform worse, and your nation will do better.

    Obvious abuse of PWI's poor planning and programming, but what can they expect.
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  • Veneir - Dreamweaver
    Veneir - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,541 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Cedro - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This, if you don do anything from more than 5 minutes you are kicked from the instance with no reward.

    Eh I think it'd be good enough to just send them to the base you arrive at after first entering; that way if they just had to go afk for an emergency they don't come back to being cheated of their work, and if they're a space-taking alt then the person gets all mad 'cause it takes forever to move characters from the base territory to wars going on so they lose the gain they were trying to exploit.
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    i like this free canny/rap event..i think il ldual log next time lol
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i like this free canny/rap event..i think il ldual log next time lol

    I will log my 9 alts, and play for the nations that has the least amount of people b:laugh. I mighty try dual logging, but lag is a prohibitive measure and getting points is hard as it is. Especially in the 2nd half.
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
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    Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »


    Eh I think it'd be good enough to just send them to the base you arrive at after first entering; that way if they just had to go afk for an emergency they don't come back to being cheated of their work, and if they're a space-taking alt then the person gets all mad 'cause it takes forever to move characters from the base territory to wars going on so they lose the gain they were trying to exploit.

    Agreed. I don't think there should be an afk timer thing if you are at a base, only in a battle. So the people complaining "what if I have to go to the bathroom? what if I need a smoke break?" have nothing to worry about... do those things *before* you enter a battle, or after you are finished one. If not, you get kicked back to base and have to find a new battle when you get back. Not a big deal, imo, but it might be helpful in the long run.
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    Florafang (wiz) - RubixCube (barb) - Laravell (psy) - Diviah (Mystic)
    Torchwood (BM) - Sataea (Seeker) - Wystera (Sin) - Allissere (SB)

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  • Nahktuul - Archosaur
    Nahktuul - Archosaur Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I will log my 9 alts, and play for the nations that has the least amount of people b:laugh. I mighty try dual logging, but lag is a prohibitive measure and getting points is hard as it is. Especially in the 2nd half.

    You cannot choose which Nation you will play in.

    So looks like you'll have to re-evaluate your plans to fool the system.
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  • Nahktuul - Archosaur
    Nahktuul - Archosaur Posts: 725 Arc User
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    Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Agreed. I don't think there should be an afk timer thing if you are at a base, only in a battle. So the people complaining "what if I have to go to the bathroom? what if I need a smoke break?" have nothing to worry about... do those things *before* you enter a battle, or after you are finished one. If not, you get kicked back to base and have to find a new battle when you get back. Not a big deal, imo, but it might be helpful in the long run.

    Even if they remain in base, dont they still have a hand in the token disbursement? It only solves half the problem.

    This is a situation where even if a compromise is made, not everyone will be happy with the outcome. The most effective way to push against alts or afk'ers in NW is by peer pressure, imo.
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  • BerserkBeast - Sanctuary
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    The simple solution would be to make rewards based solely on damage dealt(with a limit per player)/kills / heals / debuffs and off course flag-carrying. If you don't do a thing the whole time you get nothing.

    Dunno why there's much of a discussion about this, its so simple.
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  • AliceAdams - Lost City
    AliceAdams - Lost City Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    fyi

    I afked for a few minutes a couple of times. While I was in a camp after a battle. While I was afk, it put me in a new battle. Therefore, I was unknowingly afk in a battle.

    Sometimes it's not the players' faults, but the systems'.
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
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    AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »
    fyi

    I afked for a few minutes a couple of times. While I was in a camp after a battle. While I was afk, it put me in a new battle. Therefore, I was unknowingly afk in a battle.

    Sometimes it's not the players' faults, but the systems'.
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    That happens if the camp you are in gets attacked. The camp becomes the new battleground.
  • QuickBows - Heavens Tear
    QuickBows - Heavens Tear Posts: 13 Arc User
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    It doesn'r really matter, somebody registered for NW and didn't do anything during it, one's won't earn any points therefore no any tokens...
    If you don't believe me, register for NW, and go ahead, you will got 0.

    So don't worry crying kids, just stay calm and stop spamming about this subject.
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
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    QuickBows - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It doesn'r really matter, somebody registered for NW and didn't do anything during it, one's won't earn any points therefore no any tokens...
    If you don't believe me, register for NW, and go ahead, you will got 0.

    So don't worry crying kids, just stay calm and stop spamming about this subject.

    That is not at all what people are upset about in this thread. People are upset because you can go into a battle facing a group of 20, and you might have 5 afk alts on your side, filling up the battle but giving your side a noticeable disadvantage. This happened to me personally. I'm not sure why people just park alts in battles since they get only a small amount of points if there is a victory, but they do it, and it can be a problem.
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    Florafang (wiz) - RubixCube (barb) - Laravell (psy) - Diviah (Mystic)
    Torchwood (BM) - Sataea (Seeker) - Wystera (Sin) - Allissere (SB)

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  • seitori
    seitori Posts: 1,328 Arc User
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    Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That is not at all what people are upset about in this thread. People are upset because you can go into a battle facing a group of 20, and you might have 5 afk alts on your side, filling up the battle but giving your side a noticeable disadvantage. This happened to me personally. I'm not sure why people just park alts in battles since they get only a small amount of points if there is a victory, but they do it, and it can be a problem.



    Bingo, thats exactly the problem with them....b:thanks

    They waste space on the fields when we all would prefer actual active combat assets on the fields rather then the tards (inactive) alts...b:thanksb:thanks
  • Clokey - Harshlands
    Clokey - Harshlands Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    GM's why dont make IP's Lock, because alot ppl just enter with alt to get more points... i saw 1 player with 5 alts on and me: WTF?

    plz make IP Lock GMs b:shocked

    i dont want ppl with alt AFK and nations getting fail for this
  • RexNero - Dreamweaver
    RexNero - Dreamweaver Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Should be same rules of TW not account with same IP.

    Not need block ip if block ip u block also u wanna have a shop open and play on main just ban who use more then 1 toon in NW and problem is fixed

    Today my nation suck almost deleted from map i was wondersing where was the 300 ppl of my nation if in many battle we was 5 vs 20

    maybe 150+ on 300 was alt and maybe server 50% of all attendance was alt and maybe for unlucky server put 90% in my nation.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
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    Clokey - Harshlands wrote: »
    GM's why dont make IP's Lock, because alot ppl just enter with alt to get more points... i saw 1 player with 5 alts on and me: WTF?

    plz make IP Lock GMs b:shocked

    i dont want ppl with alt AFK and nations getting fail for this

    You saw it, than that mean you have proof, send a ticket and report the person, it's 2 accounts at the same time the limit.
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  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
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    moved to existing topic about this issue.

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