Bring Back Money to the delta run?

Jaabg - Sanctuary
Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
edited April 2013 in General Discussion
Just wanted to get people's opinion on delta runs and money being removed.

Do you think it is a good idea to remove the coins from Delta runs? Yes/No?

Pesronally, coins should not have been removed from delta, it was one of the fun things. Now knowing that people can get OP gear, they can pretty much solo delta. That will result in a good income source from coins only. But the real money gained from delta is the gems, tome fragments. If people are going to solo delta, the coin removal is not really going to hinder their money source.

It does how ever affect those who can not solo delta, because a 6 person squad will have the cost of repairs, pots, charms, reimbursed by the coins. The OBP, gems, fragments are at times being farmed, not for being sold. The people who run delta regularly that is.

I would recommend bringing back the coins back in delta. I hope it is not related to botting issues on the chinese servers.
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I don't see a reason why someone would want to remove them. But even better, add them to the quest rewards.

    Why? Because at least on Sanc there seem to be some jerks who drop squad after bh and grab the coins...
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Think I`ll act like those who support the new idea that by doing virtually nothing you are eligible to get the end game gear, those who haven`t worked for their gear, so I include my biased opinion, since I don`t do deltas I don`t care and coin removal is good, what goes around comes around, same like people who complained they can`t do nirvana runs, though you still get tome frags and OBP`s in delta. b:tired
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Think I`ll act like those who support the new idea that by doing virtually nothing you are eligible to get the end game gear, those who haven`t worked for their gear, so I include my biased opinion, since I don`t do deltas I don`t care and coin removal is good, what goes around comes around, same like people who complained they can`t do nirvana runs, though you still get tome frags and OBP`s in delta. b:tired

    My only issue for the rare dying breed of farmers who actually farm to get a pan gu b:surrender. I farmed my pan gu, and made about 10~15m at the end of 70 or so runs, from the coin drops. Yes i know maps give tome fragments to, but the consistency of that reward makes me turn to delta for farming the tome fragments.

    I see your point as well b:chuckle.
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I think the removal of coins is ridiculous. As someone pointed out in another thread, a full run can be very very costly to certain characters in charm burn/repairs and the coins of a full run helped to compensate for that. Since OBPs are random drops and the frag quests can often result in mirages instead, those are not reliable. I have often come out of RB with just a few frags and no pages, and was very happy to at least have the coins.

    It isn't such a huge amount that it impacts the economy in any way. I cannot fathom why they decided to remove it.
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just wanted to get people's opinion on delta runs and money being removed.

    Do you think it is a good idea to remove the coins from Delta runs? Yes/No?

    Pesronally, coins should not have been removed from delta, it was one of the fun things. Now knowing that people can get OP gear, they can pretty much solo delta. That will result in a good income source from coins only. But the real money gained from delta is the gems, tome fragments. If people are going to solo delta, the coin removal is not really going to hinder their money source.

    It does how ever affect those who can not solo delta, because a 6 person squad will have the cost of repairs, pots, charms, reimbursed by the coins. The OBP, gems, fragments are at times being farmed, not for being sold. The people who run delta regularly that is.

    I would recommend bringing back the coins back in delta. I hope it is not related to botting issues on the chinese servers.


    Solo Delta ?

    Pretty sure there is no gear out there that can realistically solo the instance... you,re still going to have trouble with runners slipping behind you to kill Harpy... particularly during the later stages.

    Anyway, pulling the coins from Delta was a **** move by PWI... good luck getting classes with high repairs such as Barb and Seeker to help out now.
  • BerserkBeast - Sanctuary
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Saw a wc asking for Cleric/Barb/Seeker to come in Delta stage 5,paying 300k each.

    Not saying people weren't paying Barbs/Clerics/whatever to do full deltas, but this change only made things worse.
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  • Boots_Elf - Sanctuary
    Boots_Elf - Sanctuary Posts: 171 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i Don't See A Reason Why Someone Would Want To Remove Them. But Even Better, Add Them To The Quest Rewards.

    Why? Because At Least On Sanc There Seem To Be Some Jerks Who Drop Squad After Bh And Grab The Coins...

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  • Flamespirit - Dreamweaver
    Flamespirit - Dreamweaver Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah, I think it sucks they took out the coins.

    If you do a normal instead of an sp delta the cleric atleast will save mp charm, wizzy will barely tick thiers, and well, a seeker/archer will still drain thiers pretty fast.

    I get that they are finally realizing that there are too many coins in the game, but it still sucks. Consider the dq nerf, delta no coins, and the map quest coin sink and now the nation wars is a huge coin sink.
  • Descendus - Lost City
    Descendus - Lost City Posts: 338 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I agree that they should bring back the coin to RB runs, whether that it comes from the mushroom guys or via quest rewards, I would honestly run full runs more if that were the case now that Uncanny prices have dropped, not that I'm complaining about that of course, I got all the Uncs my Seeker needs for his NV gear in one night! b:chuckle
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  • Nahktuul - Archosaur
    Nahktuul - Archosaur Posts: 725 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see a reason why someone would want to remove them. But even better, add them to the quest rewards.

    Why? Because at least on Sanc there seem to be some jerks who drop squad after bh and grab the coins...

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  • OontzOontz - Dreamweaver
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    They want to turn the game to full pvp. Pvp to earn mats (NW), and pvp to earn coin (TW).
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  • Nenor - Dreamweaver
    Nenor - Dreamweaver Posts: 534 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    They want to turn the game to full pvp. Pvp to earn mats (NW), and pvp to earn coin (TW).

    Idk if it was intended to be that way.. but as a pure pve'r i find the game more and more limited with every update.b:surrender
  • Yeaves - Archosaur
    Yeaves - Archosaur Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see a reason why someone would want to remove them. But even better, add them to the quest rewards.

    Why? Because at least on Sanc there seem to be some jerks who drop squad after bh and grab the coins...

    Easy solution: The coins that normally drop from full delta is divided by 6 then added to a repeatable quest where the last boss must be killed.
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  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited November 2012
    TBH, I'm also not sure why it was removed in the first place.

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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    oVenusArmanio wrote: »
    TBH, I'm also not sure why it was removed in the first place.

    This.

    And I see no reason why they shouldn't bring it back, either. Unless they just don't like people getting their Map 4s done or the like.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    "Meh, big deal. It's 70k coin less for BHs..."

    Then I tanked on my barb, my bm, and my seeker twice for about 80-90k repair bill each time. The coin used to just about balance my repair costs.
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  • HyperNoob - Sanctuary
    HyperNoob - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    What kinda lame poll is this ?
    U should know everybody will pick yes b:bye
  • Reliea - Sanctuary
    Reliea - Sanctuary Posts: 685 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    They want to turn the game to full pvp. Pvp to earn mats (NW), and pvp to earn coin (TW).

    Yup.
    Sad really.

    Solo delta? That's crazytalk.
    But I could see it happening.

    I never did Delta for the coin reward anyway, but it was nice to have some of the repair bill taken care of.
  • mm2000
    mm2000 Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I'm glad I made all my coin, all I need is mats for a full G16 nirvana set and I am good. I don't really care but the change is pathetic. I am glad I am not new to this game, if I was new, I would say "forget this ****, I would not play this game."

    I don't like PVP games where people type / text because immaturity and stupidity comes from the messages.
  • ILacy - Sanctuary
    ILacy - Sanctuary Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It would definitely be nice to get a statement why it was removed in the first place. Delta was good the way it was for years, i wonder why they suddenly make such a massive change.
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  • Sizzer - Raging Tide
    Sizzer - Raging Tide Posts: 2,387 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Only 1 reason i can see behind removal of coins from R.B that PWI is closing all the doors of getting coins from any instance, what's next removal of ecstassy cards and excitement cards from BH i won't be shocked if that happens in near future and removal of coins from mobs too.
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  • rainbowgrey
    rainbowgrey Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I still dont understand how can China PW economy can have impact on our version, it's 2 different games :/
  • Sizzer - Raging Tide
    Sizzer - Raging Tide Posts: 2,387 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    2 different games agreed. But PWI follows CN so it's bound to have an impact.
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  • darkfaerie20
    darkfaerie20 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Lol, I didn't even notice that Delta actually gives coins
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    darkfaerie20 wrote: »
    Lol, I didn't even notice that Delta actually gives coins

    I take it you have never done a full delta, never completed your culti/chrono quest either. The chance of you missing mushrooms on 2~3 random full deltas is very low. That used to be one of the places where high lvl gems came from as well. BH is understandable, people cheat, people drop squads.

    Delta coin drop does cover repair cost for all classes. Most classes will have issues getting a tank in. Before people could go to rap/canny and get some money, now that option has vanished, people are left wondering on how to make money sadly.
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Idk if it was intended to be that way.. but as a pure pve'r i find the game more and more limited with every update.b:surrender

    +1

    The Morai expansion was nice, but the gear and weapons turn out useless if they are going to make things obtainable only through PvP.
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Thanks for all the posts so far, there are 67 people for bringing money back into delta, 3 against. 96% for (rounded) and 4% (rounded) against.

    Personally i think this should give the GM's a clue on what to push for future updates. Reintroduce coins in delta.

    Please don't make a post with a following message on facebook. "If you don't want money back in delta, like the facebook page". Everyone would like that post b:chuckle, because their blessings are addictive. Can't live without them.

    Very few polls have such an overwhelming one sided response.
  • Labells - Dreamweaver
    Labells - Dreamweaver Posts: 287 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Saw a wc asking for Cleric/Barb/Seeker to come in Delta stage 5,paying 300k each.

    Not saying people weren't paying Barbs/Clerics/whatever to do full deltas, but this change only made things worse.

    It's a sorry state of affairs if people are having to pay people to help with their culti. Whilst yeah you do get the @sshats that insist on dropping squad to go steal the coin (they never see another run with me or any of my friends) there's always idiots that think the short term few coins is way better than the long term riches.

    Anywho I digress, the removal of coin means my Delta hoe styling is in jeopardy and with it all the new to delta people we take through so we're not adding to the nubblet 100 club when they finally graduate. I rely on that coin to cover my repair bill for the run, without repair bills covered I need to think twice before running people though or stop taking a few undergeared newbs in the group and only take "the OP geared" to reduce my bill.

    It's an unsatisfactory outcome and a sad sad day if we can't afford to take people in to teach them to play a dungeon properly and help them to be better players.

    my 2 cents b:surrender
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  • Enviouz - Lost City
    Enviouz - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see a reason why someone would want to remove them. But even better, add them to the quest rewards.

    Why? Because at least on Sanc there seem to be some jerks who drop squad after bh and grab the coins...

    Not just on Sanc, it happens all the time. Greedy bugger!!
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see a reason why someone would want to remove them. But even better, add them to the quest rewards.

    Why? Because at least on Sanc there seem to be some jerks who drop squad after bh and grab the coins...


    Quoted for truth.
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