Could someone clarify a TW rule for me please?

zzd123 wrote: »

Recently, several members (myself included) elected to no-show for one of our faction's defensive TWs (we were not attacking). The faction that attacked us, was one with which many members have had difficulties with in the past.
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So, can someone please explain to me the TW rule which states that TW faction leaders/officers are required to FORCE their members to attend a TW? And if that is NOT a rule, can someone explain to me how any rule related to attendance at any TW can ever be enforced?

First you talk about several members elected to no-show TWs, but then you talk about leader/officers forcing their members to attend a TW? Explain more please.

All I can say as member of one of "their faction's defensive TWs" it is very sad how things turned out on our server. Really.
It's my faction fault, but also yours and the other big faction on our server. It's not always just 1 persons (or factions) fault.
I have friends in all 3 factions and what I hear from them makes me very sad. Every problem could have been solved SO more friendly.
Now as result we have 2 faction leaders banned for a certain time, cause people react in a childish way and dont do it like adults should do.

Tenshi_Teiko - Archosaur wrote: »

First you talk about several members elected to no-show TWs, but then you talk about leader/officers forcing their members to attend a TW? Explain more please.

All I can say as member of one of "their faction's defensive TWs" it is very sad how things turned out on our server. Really.
It's my faction fault, but also yours and the other big faction on our server. It's not always just 1 persons (or factions) fault.
I have friends in all 3 factions and what I hear from them makes me very sad. Every problem could have been solved SO more friendly.
Now as result we have 2 faction leaders banned for a certain time, cause people react in a childish way and dont do it like adults should do.

No offense but you are being naive. I have friends in your faction, I have nothing against the faction as a whole, simply few members whom I consider complete jerks and I want nothing to do with them. Sadly those players have significant status in your faction and it generates, quite frankly, deserved reputation over the faction.

I say this only once, we have yet to have acted on the **** you pulled after no show. There has been only one side acting childish and whatever reason somebody tasted banhammer, we had nothing to do with it.

I know for a fact certain archer has been spreading so massive bs bout some incident and I cant quite understand how you, as a faction, seem to be falling for it. I misspoke, I`m sure there are some who know the guy well enough and can make the truth from their experiences/facts but a good question is why some still seem to believe those stories, which have less truth in them than chronicles of Narnia. There is a reason for it but I have no desire to force my observations on anybody. But you know what incident Im talking bout and what view you must have heard - is it any wonder I for one consider it bullying her by creating and enforcing lies bout her? There are actual screenshots existing proving her story.

But to be more specific regarding the whole forcing to show up for TW, PWE took harsh view on ToS. Freely quoted from memory(Somebody read that part to me on vent last night) it goes along lines of "Factions have to do their best to try win their TWs and failing try might result on consequences on case per case review..." and thus no showing defense can be considered against ToS. The rule is in place to keep TW map from being manipulated aka giving away land intentionally like Impulse did when it disbanded, defending everybody but Phoenix to give faction a smooth start. Or to give some faction access to bid on some land that has tactical value or to even possibly trading territories.

In it`s essence faction leaders are seen responsible for their factions and failing to follow ToS will have consequences on them. But I for one am not showing up against you, I gave you 2 chances and both times it turned into pulling catas off crystal to continue spawn killing, mixed with massive amounts of trolling, forcing me to BL quite a bit of your members to reduce the spam. I have no desire whatsoever to have anything to do with your faction and I will not be TWing against you. Leadership of my faction knows bout of my decision and as of last night, so does PWE staff. If my noshowing is against ToS, I should be the one with consequences and not people who cant force me, which I made crystal clear last night.

It could be said as consensus among our most active players is "we`re taking our ball and going home". Funny how your leadership would defend their actions to provoke others to fight them - Those actions are exactly the reason why the things played out as they did. There is no ganks coming, there never was any intention of those happening and I again question how that belief even had any serious footing, when players still talk cross factions combined with the fact how our reasons were never any secret.

Ps. As trying to win TW in it`s spirit and wording is in ToS, pulling catas off crystal is also, according to that rule, possibly ban worthy offense and I suspect finding screenshots out of it isnt even that hard .

@Boots_Elf: There was no other defense, we simply decided not to deal with how certain faction behaves in TWs.

zzd123 wrote: »

So, can someone please explain to me the TW rule which states that TW faction leaders/officers are required to FORCE their members to attend a TW? And if that is NOT a rule, can someone explain to me how any rule related to attendance at any TW can ever be enforced?

Thank you very much!

Faction leadership are allowed to do anything as they want, pwi have no control on how factions are being managed.

Usually, most faction leaders will make rules so that the faction grows larger and get better. If the faction leader wants to FORCE attendance, then, there should be some kind of reasoning behind it. As a member of the faction, you need to try to understand the reasons behind it. If you don't agree, just say it to the leader and the officers. If, they are not listening to you, then you either to agree to the rules & take it up like a man or leave the faction or wait till they kick you out.

Anyways, coming to the forum to QQ or to get trying to get the support from forum users is not going to help you. Go, do something about it in-game.

Last I checked forums are to communicate, yep, that includes what many perceive as QQ'ing... however, complaints are extremely valid because if enough people feel the exact same way then possibly that could induce a wonderful thing called CHANGE.

I am a member of one of the factions who's leader was banned... all I'm going to say on the subject is if you're going to enforce one rule, enforce them all, as many from the attacking faction have repeated ToS violations themselves. It's sad really that people can't grow the -insert expletive here- up and move on, be respectful and let others enjoy their game play.

If PWI really wants to make a few bucks they could throw a black list extension stone in the boutique, I know I'd be first in line to buy one for each and every one of my toons.

Take care.