Question for PWI Staff regarding S v S.
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Hey guys,
I know you're a bit disappointed about this. I was actually kinda interested too, even it was only in a spectator sense. But you gotta remember that our versions are different and some features that are implemented in their's may not come to ours for various reasons. I'll ask the GMs about this. In the meantime, enjoy the server wide wars.
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Ok I understand that this is not server vs server anymore...so what is it exactly is with "20v20 server-wide"? 40 people fighting each other on server? Or 80 people, 20 each nation on server? If this is a new form of TW, with 4 factions and random placement, then how will anyone ever get to make the new tomes if someone doesn't get selected from the 1k+ people on DW most of the time? I've never seen a server wide system in any game like so I have no idea...all I know is I have to get a squad of 10 and we all sign up at the same time to go into the same nation. And if almost everyone can enter this event in any case, then as previously said in this thread, it will crash a lot of people/create a laggy hell.0
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This is a massive failure and a big slap in the face of the players. I wonder how this will work out on the servers with low population. I guess we will find out on friday if us players can manage to salvage some fun from this even after PWE messing up. At least i expect an honest answer from the new CM about what is going on.0
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I'm sorry to hear you guys were disappointed about the lack of server vs. server PVP in this update.
It's something that our developers and engineering team looked into, but decided against this time, and it's uncertain whether we'll be adding in this function any time soon.
But please give it a try and let us know how it goes. I rely heavily on player feedback when pitching ideas and arguments to our devs, and the more information I get, the better the chance we have of making a difference.
I really hope that Nation Wars will still be a fun and exciting experience for players across all the servers, but if you decide, after running NW for a while, that server vs. server PVP is necessary, please let me know. Keep pushing this issue, and I'll do my best to fight for you guys.
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I'm sorry to hear you guys were disappointed about the lack of server vs. server PVP in this update.
It's something that our developers and engineering team looked into, but decided against this time, and it's uncertain whether we'll be adding in this function any time soon.
But please give it a try and let us know how it goes. I rely heavily on player feedback when pitching ideas and arguments to our devs, and the more information I get, the better the chance we have of making a difference.
I really hope that Nation Wars will still be a fun and exciting experience for players across all the servers, but if you decide, after running NW for a while, that server vs. server PVP is necessary, please let me know. Keep pushing this issue, and I'll do my best to fight for you guys.
- Hey, You!
Server v Server would be a lot more appealing than a capture the flag TW.
Players have wanted to compete against other servers since day one.
It's not a feature you should be considering, it's a feature you should be pushing for until you're told that it'll happen or that it cannot be done at all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Hey, You,
Maybe you could explain to us how you get information on expansions. Does the PWE team get an outline of "what's new" before you get the files? If not, why? If so, why don't you better prepare the community for version differences?
If someone plays PWCH or PWBR for example, and they get a full expansion experience... then come to PWI and see major differences, don't they deserve an explanation? If there is a reason PWE devs and engineers (I didn't know there were any of those PWE side TBH) maybe an explanation of why would help the community to understand.
Many of us have seen PWI go from a growing community to what it is now. Many people copme back after an expansion, hoping to see a major improvement to old complaints. Almost 100% of the time, the hype doesn't match the experience.
We got... "just wait for the genies!!! this will balance gameplay" nope... WF with nixs were too OP then
Then we heard, "Tideborns will balance the game"... stabby fish with ever lasting chi, nuff' said
Then it was, "come back for the guild bases and GB vs GB wars"... yup, another didn't happen
Then we were told that the new "Earthguard will stop the Sin OPness" (sic) >.<
Welcome to the Descent. Where you can finally farm the Third eye skills (well sort of). and a whole new world to explore. We will even give you Order vs Order... how popular is that? Didn't think so...
Now we come to the new expansion, S vs S... nope. Real skill changes? too little for some classes. All new experiences to gain coins, XP, veno pets, fun? Naw, not for us.
DQ nerf, coin nerf, Dragon orb instability, P2W r9 in CS... what's next?
People have taken our concerns to PW Bejing in the past. I hope you get some answers but we don't expect anything more than we we have gotten in the past... "Sorry but ain't gonna happen. But, please spend more money on zen".
We've lost our holiday events, our annual monthly, weekly and daily races, very few people are still interested in their main toons (original 3 races) because of of a lack of MAJOR skill changes to balance. ( not to mention a graphical update would be nice). It took over 4 years to even get our EP magic shell buff fixed. So do we expect you to be able to get anything changed? Let's just say we won't hold our breath. Hope for the best but expect the worst. That seems to be the PWE mantra.
To be honest, (and be honest... that's why many of us turned on a former CM... lack of honesty), why should we continue to promote or play a game that cannot even live up to it's own expectations? Why is our version being treated like the ugly stepchild while PWCH, PWBR, PWRU... gets what was promised?
I know you aren't allowed to be open in replies due to having to carry the PWE brand and your higher-ups message. I do hope that you can give us a better answer than we we have gotten in the past. So, let me set you up for success. Please refrain from using comments like "I'll take your concerns back to the team" , anything with the word "soon", or "I'm working on it". To us that have been here for some time, those are code phrases that mean "If you don't like it, you can kiss my corporate <****>". (word exchange for public forum).
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Server vs. Server would've been dumb anyways.
I don't mean to sound like an elitist, but it's obvious by the harpy wraith kill times that Harshlands, Lost City and Sanctuary are leagues ahead of the other servers; the differences in kill times was just waaaaay too drastic between those three and the rest. I doubt server vs. server would be fun for most of the servers simply because of that; either you'd get facerolled or would be doing the face-rolling.I
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but i thought it was obvious what players were pretty much all looking forward too... ._.but if you decide, after running NW for a while, that server vs. server PVP is necessary, please let me know. Keep pushing this issue, and I'll do my best to fight for you guys.
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it is true that servers are unbalanced, based on pve/pvp status and time server activation. but when i first heard about the nation wars, i thought the players participating would be randomly distributed. i dont think it would be too complicated for pwi to create an engine that would analyze the entrys based on their gear, level and class to form balanced teams of people from different servers. a mix of low and higher levels per team or all members in the particular battle being of the same level range.
also, it was stated many times earlier in this thread that people with same names on different servers would cause errors, but from what i recall, most servers share the same name database.
when i started this game, i started on a pve server which i highly regret, but its too late for me to change now. allowing us to pk with a vaster pool of players would be great, and im very very disapointed that you failed to deliver, hopefully you reconsider your desicion, as much of the player population would rejoice[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Thank you for replying Hey, You!
But beside waiting to see how we like it, I think you should try to reason with the staff and ask them to implant S v S content because we do really want it badly. As bubbles said people been wanting to go against another server players since DAY 1.0 -
Pretty sick of the same PK every day on Sanctuary. Pretty sure SvS would make the game more enjoyable for a huge bit of end-game players.
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Anyone wonder how long hey you/Val/cm knew about this and failed to mention it to the community? Same thing as last CM just worded differently.0
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I'm sorry to hear you guys were disappointed about the lack of server vs. server PVP in this update.
It's something that our developers and engineering team looked into, but decided against this time, and it's uncertain whether we'll be adding in this function any time soon.
But please give it a try and let us know how it goes. I rely heavily on player feedback when pitching ideas and arguments to our devs, and the more information I get, the better the chance we have of making a difference.
I really hope that Nation Wars will still be a fun and exciting experience for players across all the servers, but if you decide, after running NW for a while, that server vs. server PVP is necessary, please let me know. Keep pushing this issue, and I'll do my best to fight for you guys.
- Hey, You!
It is NECESSARY because everyone is upset about it![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'm sorry to hear you guys were disappointed about the lack of server vs. server PVP in this update.
It's something that our developers and engineering team looked into, but decided against this time, and it's uncertain whether we'll be adding in this function any time soon.
But please give it a try and let us know how it goes. I rely heavily on player feedback when pitching ideas and arguments to our devs, and the more information I get, the better the chance we have of making a difference.
I really hope that Nation Wars will still be a fun and exciting experience for players across all the servers, but if you decide, after running NW for a while, that server vs. server PVP is necessary, please let me know. Keep pushing this issue, and I'll do my best to fight for you guys.
- Hey, You!
The thing is, you have to start pushing the changes now - if we plan to get them at decent time. If you start now, maybe we can actually make a difference and in month or two have server vs server, instead of capture the flag TW within the server.
And don't devs use Mozzila Firefox? Or google chrome? Devs, gm's, players - all should be using forums. Eliminates middle man, giving feedback of our feedback to guys that are suppose to work on making this game better.
If you, or if WE don't start pushing changes now, in 3-4 weeks everyone will get used to things they are, everyone will forget of how it was suppose to be, and everyone will just roll with it.
Btw longknife, I'm glad you feel our servers would be too pro and roll other servers. Its funny tho, its the same thing with guilds. But I don't see Dark saying "oh look this is so boring we win every TW, lets break this elitist sht and spread out and make TW fun."
No. You just farm the sht our of server rewards and get even more "elitist."
One more question for v4liance:
How come, whatever skill re-balancing patch comes out, wizards don't get what they are suppose to get. For example, Mountain Seize. I really feel its ridiculous to have 5 second channeling skill today in game. And another sec or two to cast. If I would actually try to use that in PvP I would be dead three times before my channeling reaches 50%. For example Psy's have similar skill, earth thing - with practicly no channeling or casting time. b:surrender0 -
Adalgiso - Harshlands wrote: »
Btw longknife, I'm glad you feel our servers would be too pro and roll other servers. Its funny tho, its the same thing with guilds. But I don't see Dark saying "oh look this is so boring we win every TW, lets break this elitist sht and spread out and make TW fun."
No. You just farm the sht our of server rewards and get even more "elitist."
Pretty damn sure you're better geared than me... :UI AGOREY0 -
Seriously, stick to the topic or go argue under Harshland sub-forums man. I do agree with most of what Adalgiso just said. Please don't take us for some idiots that will forget about this within a month or so. We, the PWI player-base, do want that S v S system. Because as an end-game player, (which is like 80% of the population in most server now days), We need something fun to do. Something that will not get boring so easily and lasts for a long...having to fight new people randomly put with from any server to go up against. Not only that will help you guys get more people interested in this game, but the ones that quit this game or are inactive because it's boring for end-game content will also come back.
I mean there is a reason why this expansion is called 'Sirens of War'. The game is reaching end game content, and people want be able to massive PvP. I still think even if we DO get S v S, 2 days are not much per week for that. They should've made it some what this way, "sign up with a team of 10 and randomly get ported with a group of other 10 from any other server with levels equalent and gears at any time of the day". But in this case, we do not even have a S v S to begin with. We havn't done Nation Wars yet but i have a feeling it's just gonna be like TWs. Roughly total of 200 people are gonna be participating on Sanctuary and most servers. So thats like 40 in 1 instance? Then after a while it's gonna get lesser and lesser in numbers. Atleast with S v S, we're going to have around lets say minimum of 150 player from populated servers, and atleast 80-100 from less populated servers, that would make it around 800-1k players participateing...way more fun. I can already fore-see where nation wars without S v S system are going to head on.0 -
SHUT UP, all of you, JUST SHUT UP
You aren't going to change anything, you aren't going to get an answer from a GM, and the forum bots are just going to dump on you with bland, PR bs clap trap double talk.
You want the REAL problem with this update? Two words: Copper paperweight
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BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »SHUT UP, all of you, JUST SHUT UP
You aren't going to change anything, you aren't going to get an answer from a GM, and the forum bots are just going to dump on you with bland, PR bs clap trap double talk.
You want the REAL problem with this update? Two words: Copper paperweight
If you don't know what I am talking about, I rest my case. Just s tee eff u
Someone forget to take their morning dump this morning, feeling a bit constipated huh? anyway the reason why everyone is so upset is because alot of people looked forward to it, hell even me in my TT99 gear looked forward but now they deprived us of it! rage on my friends rage on! b:angry0 -
Someone forget to take their morning dump this morning, feeling a bit constipated huh? anyway the reason why everyone is so upset is because alot of people looked forward to it, hell even me in my TT99 gear looked forward but now they deprived us of it! rage on my friends rage on! b:angryBLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
If you don't know what I am talking about, I rest my case. Just s tee eff u
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Out of curiosity, and I'm not trying to sound negative, or complain, because I hate to be or do either, but it seems that PW China gets things we want, but don't get, and we get things PW China gets that we don't want like their nerfs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »Seriously, stick to the topic or go argue under Harshland sub-forums man. I do agree with most of what Adalgiso just said. Please don't take us for some idiots that will forget about this within a month or so. We, the PWI player-base, do want that S v S system. Because as an end-game player, (which is like 80% of the population in most server now days), We need something fun to do. Something that will not get boring so easily and lasts for a long...having to fight new people randomly put with from any server to go up against. Not only that will help you guys get more people interested in this game, but the ones that quit this game or are inactive because it's boring for end-game content will also come back.
And what I'm saying is I think that although people want it, they'd be severely disappointed.
On Harshlands at least, guilds are pretty much in different leagues. There is no league A vs. league A combat, but rather league A picks on league B, league B grabs land from league C to keep money, etc etc etc. Then CrimsonJr has all the fun wars because CrimsonJr is boss.
I think server wars would be the same, because the Harpey wraith times were sooooooo friggin drastically different that there's really only ~3 server vs. server matchups that would be at all interesting, and even then I think they'd be short lived as one is bound to overpower the other eventually.
The PVP servers are probably better geared and more experienced. Why? Competition promotes improvement. Daily, people on the PVP servers trashtalk each other's mothers until the loser rage purchases 2000 zhen to try and gear up and win. And hell, even among the PvE servers, we saw drastically different times to kill Harpy.
What's-his-face randomly decided to criticize my current guild and get into Harshlands politics, saying my guild should disband to promote better competition. He's right, except that responsibility doesn't lie solely on my guild, but on EVERY guild. The guilds on Harshlands are so set in stone that every season is practically the same. One of the very reasons I'm in the guild that I'm in is because it's some old school players and my ghetto-geared guild fused with some well-geared cash shoppers we used to fight nonstop: it's such a drastically different match-up that, holy ****, it's something NEW that has potential to shake the server rankings up!! Hell, it's for this very reason that I blatantly mocked and gave (very obvious) tips to Mayhem in my last TW video: because I'm sick of watching new players join Mayhem after 3 flippin' years or however long they've existed in the false belief that Mayhem is a pro TW faction JUST because they're old and they always hold at least one land each TW season, when all Mayhem has ever aspired to be is the stack ***** and willing human shield for Crimson. Let it die, give someone else a shot at leading a faction.
Ideally, all guilds should disband and we as a server should balance ourselves rather than happily sitting in our different tiers of strength, knowing EXACTLY what will come each season. (Kudos to the dev who figured out the problem and installed a balancing system to nation wars, I look forward to those)
The problem?
This possibility doesn't exist in server vs. server. Say for example Harshlands and Lost City fought and Harshlands won because I'm the most boss **** ever and I single-handedly saved the day while flexing my muscles and combing my glorious set of hair. Lost City can't just recruit me, they can't improve their roster, and there's no incentive for me to stop fighting for Harshlands because I literally have no choice; either I fight for Harshlands or I don't participate at all. The result is that very VERY quickly, we would develop different tiers of strength among the servers and the fights would become boring because people would anticipate the winners every time. The only remedy against this is if the server as a whole cash shopped their butt off, which let's get real, that simply doesn't happen. One or two people might rage cash shop, but not the entire server.
So yeah, I get it. Server vs. Server sounds great and fresh in theory, but I think in practice, it would lose interest VERY quickly.I AGOREY0 -
First of all, u are just asuming that only Sanctuary, HL, LC are good servers. You wouldn't know if there are way way better players on other servers or not. You are just applying theory of your server to S.V.S, which doesn't make any sense at all. There are some factors, for instant you will not be fighting same people every week like u would in TW in your server each week, thus it will not always be winning each week or losing each week constantly. You will probably fight different 20 people and be with different 10 people squad each week, which is pretty fun and might be worth a good challenge asuming you might face different play style from various servers. Also 20 vs 20 is much different than 80 vs 80 TW because 160 people ends up being less of a skills factor and more of a gears factor, while 20 vs 20 is more challenging. I don't think people would get bored fast with that especially if the system match people with each other according to their levels and gears.
So stop prompoting yourself on this thread already, stop asuming PvP servers are much better than PvE in pvp, cuz that's been proven wrong many times. And last of all, nobody care about politics on Harshland.
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They should just make a Server called Warzone. everyone that logs there 105 r9+12(not r9r3) for big pvp wars between servers, have them sign up their account under certain Server( LC,HL,HT) Etc, log in the "Warzone" server with your servers tag Example: (DW)Berserker_
But hey we can all just dream about a better pwi, since it seems to be going downhill every "Expansion" they release.
on Topic: I believe S v S would have brought more new and old people back to the game give the new challenge that would have meant Pvping other servers pkers.
Edit: but heres where pwi would get some income from doing this! make plat charms 3gold each! ka-ching charging for pvp supplies. theres your motivation pwe[SIGPIC]www.spades.tw[/SIGPIC]
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U_Sasuke - Sanctuary wrote: »First of all, u are just asuming that only Sanctuary, HL, LC are good servers. You wouldn't know if there are way way better players on other servers or not. You are just applying theory of your server to S.V.S, which doesn't make any sense at all. There are some factors, for instant you will not be fighting same people every week like u would in TW in your server each week, thus it will not always be winning each week or losing each week constantly. You will probably fight different 20 people and be with different 10 people squad each week, which is pretty fun and might be worth a good challenge asuming you might face different play style from various servers. Also 20 vs 20 is much different than 80 vs 80 TW because 160 people ends up being less of a skills factor and more of a gears factor, while 20 vs 20 is more challenging. I don't think people would get bored fast with that especially if the system match people with each other according to their levels and gears.
So stop prompoting yourself on this thread already, stop asuming PvP servers are much better than PvE in pvp, cuz that's been proven wrong many times. And last of all, nobody care about politics on Harshland.
back to the topic
So you think the fact that Harshland and Lost city finish Harpy Wraith in like what, 1 minute 30, Sanctuary finishes in ~2:17, then three others finish in ~4:46, three others finish in 7-9minutes, and one actually dies to Harpy wraith....
This says nothing about a potential gear/skill gap between the servers? No, that's a massive friggin' gap. That isn't just "oh the other servers didn't get good sleep," that's a blatant sign that some servers are better geared than others.
And how would this work if it's just 20 random people from each server? That'd be horrible aswell because it'd just be completely random; you'd get facerolled or faceroll no problem the majority of the time. I doubt they'd do that, thus meaning they'd use a balance system similar to nation wars. Again though, this has problems in that either A) the server that's worse-geared ends up sending the same people every week because the balancing NPC has to pick the best of the best every time in order for the fight to be balanced OR
literally no one can enter. 20 people per server is pathetic, to the point that people would stop showing up, sick of signing up and never getting in.
My point is yes, ok, more features is always nice. But I think people are drastically overestimating how much fun this new feature would be. The nation wars? That's a fun feature. That attempts auto-balancing, randomized teams and plenty of room for everyone. Server vs. Server wars however, it seems like it would basically not work at all OR it would be reduced to nothing but Nation wars with more potential people taking part in it.
While yes, the latter possibility is still nice, I'm not gonna sit here and scream at PWI if they say the devs decided it's not worth it at this time, because I can totally see where they're coming from. It'd be a lot of work, effort and costs for what's basically just nation wars with more people when they could be using that time, money and resources to improve other parts of the game. To me, it sounds like a completely reasonable decision on their part.I AGOREY0 -
I'm sorry to hear you guys were disappointed about the lack of server vs. server PVP in this update.
It's something that our developers and engineering team looked into, but decided against this time, and it's uncertain whether we'll be adding in this function any time soon.
But please give it a try and let us know how it goes. I rely heavily on player feedback when pitching ideas and arguments to our devs, and the more information I get, the better the chance we have of making a difference.
I really hope that Nation Wars will still be a fun and exciting experience for players across all the servers, but if you decide, after running NW for a while, that server vs. server PVP is necessary, please let me know. Keep pushing this issue, and I'll do my best to fight for you guys.
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You do not explain WHY you decided against it >.>Facebook.com/foxi187
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lol comparing year ago lame competition and (harpy wraith) with pvp (s.v.s)...i got nothing more to say.0
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