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  • Cathulion - Dreamweaver
    Cathulion - Dreamweaver Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited November 2012
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    Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The thing is, that means which ever faction's r9 person is doing that is weakening their own faction. Potentially that faction will keep on losing land because some/most/all their players are doing the server wide tw, and not the usual one b:chuckle

    But if it's random then 1 of the 4 factions with a R9 +10 will make an easy victory over other lands and while this is all good, and lvl 60's get a reward for just being in that faction, there ain't much fun to it. Maybe put a level bracket on them like...60-69, 70-79, 80-89, 90-99, 100+ so we can all have an equal chance of fun at this style of steal the flag PK and fee like the reward we worked for it.
  • gamekillz
    gamekillz Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    It said that the npc will try to divide the teams to make them all equal. I suppose we can expect the levels to be evened out in each faction.
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yeah all we can hope for is that the balancing NPC does its job.
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  • _Shui - Harshlands
    _Shui - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    On the other hand why on earth mention the word "server"? Isn't it obvious that events are just on same server?
    I was so looking forward to face my old friends from Lost City and Momaganon but no -.-
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The NPC also doesn't alter squads, though... so it may be possible to cheat it by making sure certain people are in certain squads... b:surrender
  • WenSon - Harshlands
    WenSon - Harshlands Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    can happen u have tw at this time


    gratz pwi for being an **** again and setting fail times !!!


    why not 5pm-7pm server time ?b:angry

    would be a slightly bit more european friendly
    would allow people to go to this event and have time to prepare for tw

    another event just for americans.... only thing left to say is *** u pwi (even though u will never read this)

    PS
    if anyone knows the person(s) responsible for setting this time, please punch him right into his face for me, thanks
  • _Shui - Harshlands
    _Shui - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    WenSon - Harshlands wrote: »
    can happen u have tw at this time


    gratz pwi for being an **** again and setting fail times !!!


    why not 5pm-7pm server time ?b:angry

    would be a slightly bit more european friendly
    would allow people to go to this event and have time to prepare for tw

    another event just for americans.... only thing left to say is *** u pwi (even though u will never read this)

    PS
    if anyone knows the person(s) responsible for setting this time, please punch him right into his face for me, thanks

    Same 5hit for me. This will be around 2-3 am here in germany so I mostly won't even be able to participate and on top of that Im in an active TW faction! Thx!
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    WenSon - Harshlands wrote: »
    why not 5pm-7pm server time ?b:angry

    Because that would **** over basically all of the US players. Most on the east coast would just be getting off of work right then and it would lock out pretty much any west coast people playing on the east coast servers.
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Because that would **** over basically all of the US players. Most on the east coast would just be getting off of work right then and it would lock out pretty much any west coast people playing on the east coast servers.

    +1. I work until 7 pm, which makes it pointless.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    truekossy wrote: »
    The NPC also doesn't alter squads, though... so it may be possible to cheat it by making sure certain people are in certain squads... b:surrender

    I see it as mostly being a one sided pk. As an r9... I won't be very happy going in to pk with some undergeared mooch in my squad. So it is probably safe to say most r9s will be squaded with other r9s. There may be only a handful of squads that has the gear average (or better) to match what I have. Unless each side can tell what the other side sends to a certain territory... randomly matching up of squads for battle is going to be serverly one sided. Considering that yesterday I one shoted my 8x cleric in full tt80 gear for 10x her hp in a damage test... its going to get interesting when a group of tt60s go up against me.

    On the other hand... the capture the flag arena has me a bit worried. Considering it is not like TW where catas have to stay still to take down tower/crystals. There is just no ****ing way I can catch/kill a barb on the run. 1-3 shots aside... it is going to be hell trying to catch any geared runner regardless of class.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I see it as mostly being a one sided pk. As an r9... I won't be very happy going in to pk with some undergeared mooch in my squad. So it is probably safe to say most r9s will be squaded with other r9s. There may be only a handful of squads that has the gear average (or better) to match what I have. Unless each side can tell what the other side sends to a certain territory... randomly matching up of squads for battle is going to be serverly one sided. Considering that yesterday I one shoted my 8x cleric in full tt80 gear for 10x her hp in a damage test... its going to get interesting when a group of tt60s go up against me.
    That's pretty much the exact scenario I was thinking of when it added that the NPC wouldn't break squads up and would send them all in the same place. It's kinda hard to "balance" sides when those who are at a certain gear type matter as much the fight as the level 20ish mobs at silver pool/west/etc matter to those PKing in the area.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    On the other hand... the capture the flag arena has me a bit worried. Considering it is not like TW where catas have to stay still to take down tower/crystals. There is just no ****ing way I can catch/kill a barb on the run. 1-3 shots aside... it is going to be hell trying to catch any geared runner regardless of class.
    I'm not completely sure of the mechanics yet but if flags can be transferred, it'll be a pretty big deal and sending groups after the flags will be the most ideal. If not, though, we may wind up with a situation where some barb and a small group of support tries to rush the flags on each side while a majority sits around trying to nuke anything that gets anywhere near the flag. I suppose we'll have to see how the mechanics and terrain play into account before deciding, though.
  • gamekillz
    gamekillz Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    There are many spaces to be filled, perhaps he will balance squads as well? What I mean, is that it will see that it balanced a squad of R9's into one team, and the next squad of R9's to arrive will be put in the opposite team.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    truekossy wrote: »
    I'm not completely sure of the mechanics yet but if flags can be transferred, it'll be a pretty big deal and sending groups after the flags will be the most ideal. If not, though, we may wind up with a situation where some barb and a small group of support tries to rush the flags on each side while a majority sits around trying to nuke anything that gets anywhere near the flag. I suppose we'll have to see how the mechanics and terrain play into account before deciding, though.

    There will be a huge deal depending on the flag sitution...

    1. Does flag reset or drop when carrier dies.
    2. If it drops... does it reset when defender picks it up.

    Either way... I expect to spend a lot of time hopelessly chasing after some r9 jade barb.

    As a curious note... archers have the longest/fastest (unstunnable) max speed of any class. Depending on the size of the map (which I doubt will be that big considering 40 players max)... maybe a jade archer will be an attractive sprinter.
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  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    As a curious note... archers have the longest/fastest (unstunnable) max speed of any class. Depending on the size of the map (which I doubt will be that big considering 40 players max)... maybe a jade archer will be an attractive sprinter.

    Or maybe you'll have a 105 Sin who grabs the flag and promptly stealths away. b:avoid
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There will be a huge deal depending on the flag sitution...

    1. Does flag reset or drop when carrier dies.
    2. If it drops... does it reset when defender picks it up.

    Either way... I expect to spend a lot of time hopelessly chasing after some r9 jade barb.

    As a curious note... archers have the longest/fastest (unstunnable) max speed of any class. Depending on the size of the map (which I doubt will be that big considering 40 players max)... maybe a jade archer will be an attractive sprinter.

    Speaking of flag mechanics.... it'd become even more interesting if you had to "dig" the flag initially in order to carry it. Then you'd actually need to have support with you and couldn't simply run in and out. Depending on how far away the enemy team respawned, this could potentially play a major factor.


    Though I'm also concerned about how people not in a squad on each team will communicate. Are we going to have some sort of new chat channel or will we just have to try and do what we can with our squads.... because if it's the latter then various factions can easily manipulate the results by having certain squads lose on purpose or the like and whichever side they're on won't be able to communicate well enough to do anything about it...
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    truekossy wrote: »
    Speaking of flag mechanics.... it'd become even more interesting if you had to "dig" the flag initially in order to carry it. Then you'd actually need to have support with you and couldn't simply run in and out. Depending on how far away the enemy team respawned, this could potentially play a major factor.

    Short of giving the carrier a serious speed nerf... I don't see any way of stopping any geared character from scoring. So maybe digging might be the only way...
    truekossy wrote: »
    Though I'm also concerned about how people not in a squad on each team will communicate. Are we going to have some sort of new chat channel or will we just have to try and do what we can with our squads.... because if it's the latter then various factions can easily manipulate the results by having certain squads lose on purpose or the like and whichever side they're on won't be able to communicate well enough to do anything about it...

    Each guild (at least on HT) can probably only fill 2-3 high caliber squads. It will be hard to manipulate end results with these squads alone... as there are rival guilds with the firepower to match. Of course there is always the possibility to average out the firepower... although that would make any squad ineffective against rivals. With the 4 different nations... its not hard to gank the least representitive nation.

    Communication shouldn't be a problem among disciplined squads... even if they are from different guilds. Only communication problem would be from rag tag teams. And with the possibility of upwards of 10ish geared squads on the field... communication is going to be the least of their problems.
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    truekossy wrote: »
    The NPC also doesn't alter squads, though... so it may be possible to cheat it by making sure certain people are in certain squads... b:surrender

    In the description it says that the people already in a squad remain in the squad. Not sure if more people get added to your group or not if not full 20.

    I am just interested in what the losing side gets b:chuckle. I know most people will kill me, i just want to see what i can farm from this instance for the new r9 gear, tome, items.

    Flag mechanics will be fun, but we'll have to wait and see. They mentioned 20 vs 20, problems occurs does squad size increase to 20, or can make max of 2 squads at 10, or a smaller number of squads?

    If squad is limited to 10, you get OP friends in their, random people join your team, lower lvl. They'll probably just appear as moochers, simply because they have nothing to do.

    In short, lots of questions about this, we can only wait and see what the deal with it is in the end. I just want to farm my r9 recast in peace b:cry.
  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If I had to guess, the flag will have to be dug, the flag carrier will have a movement debuff on them while they're carrying the flag, their weapon is replaced with the flag, so no skills can be used, and they cannot attack because they're holding the flag.

    And it's up to his/her squadmates/nation to protect them!
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If I had to guess, the flag will have to be dug, the flag carrier will have a movement debuff on them while they're carrying the flag, their weapon is replaced with the flag, so no skills can be used, and they cannot attack because they're holding the flag.

    And it's up to his/her squadmates/nation to protect them!

    First two I'm hoping for and agree with. Third one I'm on the fence about. Especially since we do have a good few skills that can be used with "any" weapon, plus genies, and it could disable our survival skills if the flag is considered a forcibly equipped weapon of some type no class can use skills with.

    Definitely hoping for the last part though because otherwise it'll just be a case of zerg rush the flag for victory.
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    the flag carrier will have a movement debuff on them while they're carrying the flag, their weapon is replaced with the flag, so no skills can be used, and they cannot attack because they're holding the flag.

    Nagging feeling, "The first team to win 20 points, or the team with the highest score at the end of 25 minutes will control the region". Those 20 points might play a role on movement debuff, stealth. If stealth works b:dirty.

    Judging from the amounts of lands available, and the fast paced it is, should be enough space for all the people to take part in it. There seems to 21 lands per Order. If we exclude original base, that is 20. If max each tw land is 40 players, that is 80 landsx40 players = 3200 players. I am sure there will be lots of tws with no shows, or very little resistance. Not sure how the first few are established, is it pve tw like normal ones? Do people branch out from their faction base, or have set territories they can skirmish across?

    That is why a nagging feeling that there might not be a movement debuff. Should be fun to explore though, i doubt we'll have 3 200 people turning up for this, if that is the max limit b:chuckle. Only a few more days to go b:pleased.

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