"Factions"

Black_wolve - Sanctuary wrote: »

But not to make this topic big like a book but if any of you have factions you really need to start helping out your mates unless you rather not care about them or your guild thats up to you.

1. Just cause someone is in the same guild as me... that doesn't by any means mean that I like or even want to be in the same room as them. All that means is that I won't go out of my way to kill you.
2. I had guildies asked me for guild discount on stuff that I was selling... only to have me see them on the opposite side in TW a couple weeks later. Not worth my time to gear potential opponents.
3. I just don't have time to help every joe/jane out there. I help those who I know or are nice to me.

I am curious about how one gets into a guild.

I started playing this game a couple of weeks ago. My character is currently level 32, and so far the game has been almost entirely solo play. (The exception to this being having to fight to kill my own mobs without someone else coming up and killing them for me.)

I was messaged once about joining a guild, but when I replied, I got no further responses from the person.
I did find a guild that I liked the name and Icon of, but was unable to get a response from messaging the member I saw. I looked the guild up on Core and applied there, but have not yet received a response.

I see many people advertising for guilds in the open chat, but they are all looking for higher level characters. Are there guilds for low levels, or is there a minimum level that the character has to achieve to be able to join one?

bankersbucks wrote: »

I am curious about how one gets into a guild.

I started playing this game a couple of weeks ago. My character is currently level 32, and so far the game has been almost entirely solo play. (The exception to this being having to fight to kill my own mobs without someone else coming up and killing them for me.)

I was messaged once about joining a guild, but when I replied, I got no further responses from the person.
I did find a guild that I liked the name and Icon of, but was unable to get a response from messaging the member I saw. I looked the guild up on Core and applied there, but have not yet received a response.

I see many people advertising for guilds in the open chat, but they are all looking for higher level characters. Are there guilds for low levels, or is there a minimum level that the character has to achieve to be able to join one?

You can join a faction even with lvl 1. The problem is, on the old servers there are hardly new players and most of them might see you as an low alt. So they might refuse to invite you because they think as soon as you join you will switch your characters and be not activ on the old char. Many factions are doing higher instances, pvp and so on that a lowbie had nothing else from the faction than high-lvls doing their stuff (No squads on your lvl ). Most of them have higher lvl range so message them to inv you is a bit rude. First ask what the requirements are.
And since lvling became that easy, you can lvl fast to 60/70+ without factions to show that you are an active gamer and joining one will become much easier.

The thing i hate on factions is the fact that it doesnt matter if youre active and helping everywhere, if you dont use ts (even while normal questing) people ignore you and whatever you do, it doesnt count unless they hear your voice. That really pisses me off.

I usually help a lot, especially newbies. But the higher their positions are, the more arrogant they become. And im sick having people above me telling me how the game works just because they are friends with the leader - even if they know the game for only half a year and spending most of the time with buying fashions from the CS because they dont know how the AH works.

Seriously, one of our marshalls told me and a newbie veno that magic isnt important for a veno, she should use vit most - Str doesnt matter at all

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bankersbucks wrote: »

I am curious about how one gets into a guild.

I started playing this game a couple of weeks ago. My character is currently level 32, and so far the game has been almost entirely solo play. (The exception to this being having to fight to kill my own mobs without someone else coming up and killing them for me.)

I was messaged once about joining a guild, but when I replied, I got no further responses from the person.
I did find a guild that I liked the name and Icon of, but was unable to get a response from messaging the member I saw. I looked the guild up on Core and applied there, but have not yet received a response.

I see many people advertising for guilds in the open chat, but they are all looking for higher level characters. Are there guilds for low levels, or is there a minimum level that the character has to achieve to be able to join one?

For the people answering maybe they was AFK or just not sociable.

As previous people said just watch the world chat and maybe you gonna see a faction that take all level. I know on HT there's a few factions taking all level, 30+, 40+ and 50+, but yes more and more the factions take all level.

Maybe you are on a dead server where there's just AFK high level.

At your level it's not too late to try a other server. I created a new char on a new server the 31th October and I'm already level 56, I didn't power level, so at level 32 it's not too late to start a new char on a new server.

@OP: We cannot force people to be helpful. Some old players helped a lot in the past and just take it easy and do their own stuff.

Well, what you've stated is (partially) why I stopped bothering to look for a faction, OP.
Still, one cannot always rely on them for assistance. Making their own squads is something they'll have to learn to do when all else fails.

I tried a couple of factions and the break down of your average faction was:
A couple people who always helped
Some people that occasionally helped
People that only spoke up when they needed something
Moochers begging for free items (and got kicked very quickly)
Faction hoppers
People who were in, you saw online but never heard from.

And every faction was always drama, drama and more drama. After a while I got sick of it and decided to be without a faction. I just WC for anything that needs a squad or higher level. I always thank the people who help and now that some of my toons are higher I drop coin for the person who helps so they can repair their gear. So far I've had no problems playing this way.

Though I did end up making a dummy faction because I would constantly get random faction invites. So I'm currently in a faction that is just me and my alts and I have to say it is the best one I have ever been in. Everyone gets along great, no drama and we all share everything.

All the help issues can be drawn to two cases, one where they expect you to help with everything (and everything is: get their gear, give free stuff, basically treat you as their errand boy) and what`s most annoying, immediately when they ask, second is, even if you help them, etc, when most of them reach higher level, they just leave to bigger, stronger, tw factions and all the effort you have put in building them up is in vain, it`s basically a spit in your face, thx for all your help, toodles.

And when I browsed though some replies, I save some people already suggested that it is very rare these days to come across a genuine new player and not an alt whose main sits in another faction, before I even bother to help someone I give it some thought, nevertheless, I like to help people with advices or just random questions, but not with previously mentioned things.

Have been in several factions and seen many people brought up and then they basically thrust a dagger into your back, bottom line is, the community has become garbage, now every low level expects you to power-level them, I`m just generally sick of PWI`s community, and you can judge by that from the mature and fascinating world chat conversations, if you can even call them conversations.

End of rant/

Not in a faction at the moment. And I've considered starting my own, but then reading this thread has changed my mind.

All of the factions I have been in though have not wanted to "race" to the top... However the members that join are usually looking for something specific and it usually one thing: FCC. Let me tell you something about those "take me to heads" people for any aspiring fac leader or current leader: It's not going guarantee they will stay in your faction and be a good contributor. They will leave anyway to go with some "high powered" TW faction. The good news is, the veteran TW facs can weed out hyper high levels pretty easily...

The people that need help don't like to tell you EVERYTHING they need help with. If they say they need kong killed, when we get there and kill kong, he or she then reveals that they have 4 more other bosses to kill. Like they don't care if killing kong was all the time you could spare. When it comes to FBs I stopped caring about them being tabbed, I'll kill the FB bosses right off the bat. I been burned by that enough. They just wont tab and I guess cause they saving it for their friends. If the main stays(people that been in the faction long time) don't help the "new members" in a way that benefits them, they will leave. The fastest I've seen someone leave a faction was 20min. I believe this is why I see many factions in game but never see them recruiting, maybe they feel its not worth it anymore?

Then you have the most irritating kind of player on the entire earth in video game history. The player who ******* and moans about not getting any help, when just minutes ago you held their damn hand for several hours(I find myself doing long help EXCURSIONS. Yall know yall been through this too) through many bosses and many instances. Apparently they feel they are not able to do *anything* by themselves and that someone of their level is not sufficient enough. It must be a high level player. As we're stuck with the stigma of being bored with nothing to do, I suppose they assume we sit in arch all day. Nothing feels more terrible than spending YOUR FREE TIME babysitting someone, only for them to ***** and moan later because no one was available to oh I don't know.. SOLO CHRONO.

Its that kind of thing that makes very helpful people convert into the less helpful. I too struggle with retaining my helpful nature.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Different poeple look for different things in a guild. Some look like you to build a kind of family. Others look for TW, just a place to get their required stuff done till they hit 100, just the base structures for specific buffs/items, the base for the exp from the quests, for players of their lvl range for specific instances, trials to get r8r, etc.

THIS.

I think the problem with many people is that aggressive recruiting has created some rather unrealistic expectations about what a good faction is suposed to do. Now, I'm an officer in a small guild that's primarily friend oriented. We do try some recruiting and face a lot of the challenges described in this discussion. New guildies that ask for help with soloable stuff, even collection quests, that spam faction chat asking higher levels to solo FCC for them, that want to be given TT mats and gear (and they're sometimes very specific about what they "need") but who refuse to do farming runs. But have a higher level ask for help with something as simple as opening TT or a bh for one of their low level alts and these guys are suddenly very busy. A lot of people are just using us to gear up and level so they can later join a TW faction (and its alright, we do understand) but seem to think they're entitled to take without giving anything in return, not even contributing to keeping faction chat lively and fun. And God forbid we try to train those we realize are noobing up our badge. Not complaining here, those who do stay find a lot of very awesome players (you wouldn't know it looking at us, but we do have more than a few heavy hitters) and a relaxed, friendly and supportive environment. And we are certainly not in it for burning ourselves out trying to meet every demand a random power leveler thinks they're entitled to make.

But that's the thing, when complaining about guilds there's plenty of people who fail to realize it's THEM who are largely responsable for making their faction what they want it to be. Factions in which a core of dedicated players are just exhausting themselves trying to meet the unreasonable demands of the "gimme" crowd are just asking for trouble. It comes down to the simple fact you have to be capable of pulling your own weight in whatever faction you're in. Competitive guilds I've been in are usually very demanding in terms of activity level and contributions, they're right to be so. And there's also factions that are little more than chat channels where you'll never be asked to go through any trouble. You have to decide what is it that you're willing (and capable) of giving BEFORE you go asking others. And sadly enough I think a lot of the troubles some factions go through stem from their failure to realize this. You want to do Trials, FCC, Warsong, TT? Want to be assured you'll always get a BH squad whenever you log on? Then you better make sure you've got the gear, time and levels to pull off making this happen instead of just relying on some guys advertising on WC. Because the thing is, one way or the other, you're very likely to end up in the faction you deserve to be in.

Yeah heaven forbid you try to make helping them a learning experience/funner for them by not making it a 5 minute job. But I never minded helping on my high level characters. Just wish I could disable the ability to have my gear checked. I hate being associated with what I'm using.

Lucrecia - Momaganon wrote: »

I see your point, but i think helping others is a duty for every faction member someone asks and you have time. For me, i hate seeing someone who needs help in faction (or sometimes its myself asking if someone wants to go fc/bh/ etc ), especially someone who rarely asked for help and did everything alone, never asked for gear, and they just dont answer. They could at least say they have no time.

Typical situation:
The faction chat is always lively, but if someone asked for help no answer.
Even more funny, when the person waits about 2 mins they start to talk again.
And the best thing: They are all chatting around in arch, but are too lazy to help a lowbie killing a boss or doing a fb for someone who asked for help since a week.

I think many people leave their faction by the time that faction starts to become a juts-talking-faction, where nobody does anything else anymore. That usually happens when the lead is changed.

I hadn't gotten around to the bad faction ethics yet. I was tired and went to sleep as soon I finished typing that heh. You covered the core bits though, those are the 2 biggest things. I'll throw in that they'll all seperately get BH100s without asking each other, or, start their little circle jerk and do things amongst themselves.

I will help anyone in any way I can wether its strangers, friends or faction mates...as long as I get some sort of respect...even a "thank you" goes a long way. On the topic of factions, I've been recruited to several but only a small few have been memorable for someone in my level range since most are always busy doing something else and don't have any time to even give advice/answer questions when said low level is genuinely curious.

I've even made my own faction, I don't care who joins as long as they contribute...but obviously that's not good enough o.O or maybe it's cuz I'm not 100+ and I don't have this infinite pw knowledge. If the community was more like it was when I first joined..maybe I'd stay for longer periods of time instead of disappearing for 6 months

Razikeal - Raging Tide wrote: »

If the community was more like it was when I first joined..maybe I'd stay for longer periods of time instead of disappearing for 6 months

This.
Right.
Here.