Things I don't understand.
Darendo - Sanctuary
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NB: Sorry about spelling and punctuation errors, I have bandaids on a couple of my fingers b:shocked
I haven't played the game in about a year, and have only recently come back to playing. As I have seen in game and on the forums there are a heap of things I still need to learn. I've tried using the search function and asking other players in game using "World Chat" (even though I know that a fair amount of people are very against that sort of thing, asking dumb questions in WC).
I was just hoping someone of a few people could fill me in on what I've missed and what is relevant to me since the Earthguard first came about (as I started my year break a couple weeks after the Earthguard expansion was released).
Here goes;
- Goon Glitch: What happened, how did people exploit it, and what was all the hubbub about it? (I see SOOO many people QQ about it and want to know more).
- APS: Attacks per second, sparks, overpowered assassins, and why everyone hates higher level players/random WC squads.
- Factions: As party of the Sanc server, I want to know what happened to Regicide, Nefarious etc. It's SO different haha.
- HYPERlevelling: What's so bad about it? People think others can't learn their class when they powerlevel but I knew a fair amount of people who levelled naturally with good builds, good faction, good armor and the like, yet they still were failbarbs/clerics/wizzies whathaveyou.
- What happened to the popularity of Venomancers? I have a veno with a hercules and noone wants to be around her!! b:sad
- Rank gear: How do you get it, level requirements, what makes it so much better, what the heck is rerolling armor, and other gear as comparisons (Warsong which is apparently darn near impossible to get, Old Heavens Tear, Nirvana).
I probably have more and I'm really sorry to do this to you all but I want to be a loved cleric that knows his stuff rather than a fail cleric that Leroys all over Heaven and Hell!
I don't mind if you post links rather than full responses (hey, it's a forum, I expect thats what you'll do haha), and I just want to thank everyone in advance who replies, even the n00b bashers, flamers and trolls.
b:pleased
EDIT: Also, Phoenix Valley: what is it and how do you do it? I tried finding a guide but to no avail :S
I haven't played the game in about a year, and have only recently come back to playing. As I have seen in game and on the forums there are a heap of things I still need to learn. I've tried using the search function and asking other players in game using "World Chat" (even though I know that a fair amount of people are very against that sort of thing, asking dumb questions in WC).
I was just hoping someone of a few people could fill me in on what I've missed and what is relevant to me since the Earthguard first came about (as I started my year break a couple weeks after the Earthguard expansion was released).
Here goes;
- Goon Glitch: What happened, how did people exploit it, and what was all the hubbub about it? (I see SOOO many people QQ about it and want to know more).
- APS: Attacks per second, sparks, overpowered assassins, and why everyone hates higher level players/random WC squads.
- Factions: As party of the Sanc server, I want to know what happened to Regicide, Nefarious etc. It's SO different haha.
- HYPERlevelling: What's so bad about it? People think others can't learn their class when they powerlevel but I knew a fair amount of people who levelled naturally with good builds, good faction, good armor and the like, yet they still were failbarbs/clerics/wizzies whathaveyou.
- What happened to the popularity of Venomancers? I have a veno with a hercules and noone wants to be around her!! b:sad
- Rank gear: How do you get it, level requirements, what makes it so much better, what the heck is rerolling armor, and other gear as comparisons (Warsong which is apparently darn near impossible to get, Old Heavens Tear, Nirvana).
I probably have more and I'm really sorry to do this to you all but I want to be a loved cleric that knows his stuff rather than a fail cleric that Leroys all over Heaven and Hell!
I don't mind if you post links rather than full responses (hey, it's a forum, I expect thats what you'll do haha), and I just want to thank everyone in advance who replies, even the n00b bashers, flamers and trolls.
b:pleased
EDIT: Also, Phoenix Valley: what is it and how do you do it? I tried finding a guide but to no avail :S
The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.
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The goon glitch was the result of a reseting Boss that upon being hit, it will spawn out a ton of dragoons, and depending on how many times it was hit determines how many will sprout. This was a HUUUUUUGE thing for FCC and the only reason during that time that a ****ton of people hit 105.
The real lame thing about that was pretty much anyone doing it(running FCC) was thought to be exploiting it, when you breeze through levels in FCC anyhow, if doing it normal run.
The fix was by reducing the xp the dragoons give, even though.. a much simply fix would have been to prevent the boss from sprouting dragoons altogether. They don't make the boss fight itself any harder. As a result of THAT, everyone skips this boss and sometimes the latter half of FCC.
APS was nerfed somewhat. If 4.0 or more you suffer a damage reduction. Considering you're still attacking Four Times PER second, this is negligent.0 -
Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »The goon glitch was the result of a reseting Boss that upon being hit, it will spawn out a ton of dragoons, and depending on how many times it was hit determines how many will sprout. This was a HUUUUUUGE thing for FCC and the only reason during that time that a ****ton of people hit 105.
The fix was by reducing the xp the dragoons give, even though.. a much simply fix would have been to prevent the boss from sprouting dragoons altogether. They don't make the boss fight itself any harder. As a result of THAT, everyone skips this boss and sometimes the latter half of FCC.
APS was nerfed somewhat. If 4.0 or more you suffer a damage reduction. Considering you're still attacking Four Times PER second, this is negligent.
Very strange solution to the Goon Glitch, although it was a fix nevertheless.
The APS thing is still a bit confusing. I've seen videos of assassins soloing bosses in instances like FCC and kill them in what looks like 5 hits because they use that red spark. I want to know how it works haha b:cuteThe tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.0 -
Basically you could pull the third boss down the hall, lose aggro on her, hit her while she reset, and a large number of the goons would spawn in that spot. There's vids on YouTube. I may even have recorded one somewhere.Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »- Goon Glitch: What happened, how did people exploit it, and what was all the hubbub about it? (I see SOOO many people QQ about it and want to know more).
APS I can't go into detail on because I don't know the specifics. (Try Archer or Sin Forums). We hate higher level characters now because SO many of them have gotten those levels without bothering to learn how to play their toon, play in a squad, or even to learn basic game mechanics.Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »- APS: Attacks per second, sparks, overpowered assassins, and why everyone hates higher level players/random WC squads.
We hate random WC squads because they are heavily populated with those high level morons.
Regi is still around, Nef fell over because of it's own leadership being incompetent, and because of other games that came out and attracted it's remaining members. They are trying to rebuild now. Enely is still around, just about the same as they always have been since they split off from nef.Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »- Factions: As party of the Sanc server, I want to know what happened to Regicide, Nefarious etc. It's SO different haha.
See above statement about people not bothering to learn how to play. That's what's so bad about it.Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »- HYPERlevelling: What's so bad about it? People think others can't learn their class when they powerlevel but I knew a fair amount of people who levelled naturally with good builds, good faction, good armor and the like, yet they still were failbarbs/clerics/wizzies whathaveyou.
Pets are pretty much useless now, everyone can pull, and the hyper level noobs have no idea about the benefits of the skills and other features of their class.Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »- What happened to the popularity of Venomancers? I have a veno with a hercules and noone wants to be around her!! b:sad
Warsong is hard to get, uber expensive, and personally, most rank gear is cheaper and better.Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »- Rank gear: How do you get it, level requirements, what makes it so much better, what the heck is rerolling armor, and other gear as comparisons (Warsong which is apparently darn near impossible to get, Old Heavens Tear, Nirvana).
http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Rank
You can now buy rep in the boutique, or in catshops.
Overall, things like R8 can be better, and cheaper for some than even TT99 Gold gear. R9 it the ultimate in OP."No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style." - Steven Brust, Yendi
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I believe the difficulty with getting squads as a veno is still attributed to the fact that there is a lot of venos. You're competeing with many with hercs/nix now. Never the less, it is still a viable class to have around.0
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you can find everything you mention here in the forums.
goon glitch,whocares hell people just do ff to big room and forget about the other 3-5% more of exp thats left if you go to the end.
aps,always been here its just easier to obtain now,though yeah it cost,but really gold so high u can sell some measley gold and aquire your high lvl ****.Yeah sins are OP but so are PSY's lol...But also OP is how you make it,the toon cant play its the player that controls it.
TW resets map every 6months in wich causes alot of new formed factions with stupid names and dumb looking icons..for example,cucumber.
Hyper lvling,really there is nothing wrong with it,why?,well because the people who call hyper lvler's noobs are also the fail noobs themselves...EVERYONE DOES IT.Though people will buy their way to around lvl 79 in ff runs,most do play their character and learn it in there.If some one dont know then tell them,sheesh..be a person of example and help instead of a smart *** child and name call.I never used invoke untill i got into FF a couple years ago and then a barb that was playign a veno told me a few pointers,he though i was gonna get mad and was surprised i said thanks and at the time i was like lvl 87,didnt need the invoke skill out on the map like i did in FF.
Rank gear,R8 and R9 though r8 is very easy to farm coins for,R9 is way different unless you have some way to farm coins in fast amounts..but 90% here resot to their new god,the wallet.I would go on more about that but kids here will cry hardcore lol.
i have a cleric and i get more action out of FF than any other thing in this game,FF clerics can shine the most and also can be condemed.Gl.
also the veno issue..i dunno hmm veno's are cool and all with the amp stuff and bramble but alot do play the mystic,to me i rather have a mystic due to its pet skills,buffs and such,and lovely healing power...plus they look betterThis game is like washing hair with shampoo... Rinse and repeat if desired.
Proud owner of many mains.101 bm,101 seeker,101 demon sin,100 sage sin,101 archer,101 barb,100 cleric,100 wiz( first toon since sept 08 finally made it in 2013)newly added mystic 100 HA,72 psy.0 -
Thanks very much for that explanation Mor_Toran b:pleased Hopefully I now know enough to be a good cleric haha.
Also, I know that rank 9 gear is bought with the medals and chips but how is Rank 8 gear gotten? b:surrenderThe tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.
The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.0 -
Just need rep badges, and use them til you get 200,000 rep. Can buy them from catshops or from the cash shop.
Compared to R8.. getting R9 is a pain in the ***. I'm never doing that again.
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OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »Hyper lvling,really there is nothing wrong with it,why?,well because the people who call hyper lvler's noobs are also the fail noobs themselves...EVERYONE DOES IT.Though people will buy their way to around lvl 79 in ff runs,most do play their character and learn it in there.If some one dont know then tell them,sheesh..be a person of example and help instead of a smart *** child and name call.I never used invoke untill i got into FF a couple years ago and then a barb that was playign a veno told me a few pointers,he though i was gonna get mad and was surprised i said thanks and at the time i was like lvl 87,didnt need the invoke skill out on the map like i did in FF.
It's not so much of a lack of people willing to help them, it's their complete lack of comprehending the mechanics. Which is usually because of their complete lack in taking the time and effort to learn.
I agree, not all Hyper leveled players are noobs. Unfortunately, a large majority of them are, and they refuse to better themselves because they are under the misconception that their gear can make up for their stupidity.
I'm more than happy to take the time to teach these people something. Unfortunately, they either don't listen, or give me flack when I attempt to correct their misconceptions about game/squad mechanics. This makes them morons and hyper-noobs."No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style." - Steven Brust, Yendi
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yeah, I'm that good. b:chuckle0 -
~As many have said before, most who Glitched it got major XP off of it (before they nerfed it) but even now afterwards, you can still get alot of xp using max hyperstones on runs even now, just thankfully no where near as much as that obscene amount that they used too get from it...
~High end (APS) leads any chari with a high APS, too get near instantanious spark regens & regains aswell just from normal striking attacks (chi builds are a breeze to do)... That also became a major issue (initially) for non-max APS users since they could face an opponent who could continuously Re-triple spark on them immediately in combat (how could anyone fight another player in PvP fairly if they can constantly hyper mode attack you, when you still got squat for APS yourself) until {PWE} tried fixing that problem too, it seemed to have worked for the most part (because you don't hear many people talking about that part of it anymore //// As for random squads, most highs hate them because thats where the fail babies will pop up alot, so most good players prefer too stay on squading with close & proven friends rather then risk a possible cluster F*** with a few possible fails, and nothing more then that (nothing truely neferious in their motives too want too avoid random squads)...
~(Don't know) Sanctuary is actually, one of the servers that I've never played on..
~Excessive (hyper leveling) fails in so many ways (and it gos far beyond just not knowing how to play the class you just made go too {100th lv} in 2 weeks) for instance most hyper babies have practically no {SP points} with which too level their skills with (so you can seriously find a 100th lev with only lv 3 skills b:shocked) and sadly, when they ripped through the levels without questing, most the quests they used to be able to do, hit their level ceilings long ago, so they can't even go back to do the backlog quests so they can get any of that most important SP points ~_~' (this is one of the main reasons why everyones afraid to squad with them)
~Venos got the triple whammy from the {introductions of the Genies and TB & EG expansions} so they'll never be as vital as they once were (Its the reason why I retired mine) but they do seem to be getting alot more squads lately, especially compared too just after the {EG expansion} so keep your hopes up on that 1...b:victory
~Rank gear does seem to be the preferred end game gears, especially since anyone who wants too afford them, now can get them //// As for the re-rolls that people have achieved from their attempts, there has got to be atleast a few threads out there by now that people have snap shotted their results in, so if you can find the shots of the re-rolled gears it'll probably give you a good idea what happens there...
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Hi again, Darendo, hope your fingers get better soon.
Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »NB: Sorry about spelling and punctuation errors, I have bandaids on a couple of my fingers b:shocked
I haven't played the game in about a year, and have only recently come back to playing. As I have seen in game and on the forums there are a heap of things I still need to learn. I've tried using the search function and asking other players in game using "World Chat" (even though I know that a fair amount of people are very against that sort of thing, asking dumb questions in WC).
I was just hoping someone of a few people could fill me in on what I've missed and what is relevant to me since the Earthguard first came about (as I started my year break a couple weeks after the Earthguard expansion was released).
Here goes;
- Goon Glitch: What happened, how did people exploit it, and what was all the hubbub about it? (I see SOOO many people QQ about it and want to know more).
The other posts have mentioned this, so onward.
- APS: Attacks per second, sparks, overpowered assassins, and why everyone hates higher level players/random WC squads.
Since APS has been mentioned in the last couple of posts, I'll elaborate on why everyone sort of hates certain higher level players/random WC squads.
It's not hate for higher players in general, it's mainly just for people that rush from 1 to 100 within a week and literally know nothing about their class. Many random WC squads consist of these "hyperbabies", which are not pleasant to squad with.
- Factions: As party of the Sanc server, I want to know what happened to Regicide, Nefarious etc. It's SO different haha.
I still see Reg around, just not as much as I used to. Nef poofed long before I came back, it seems.
- HYPERlevelling: What's so bad about it? People think others can't learn their class when they powerlevel but I knew a fair amount of people who levelled naturally with good builds, good faction, good armor and the like, yet they still were failbarbs/clerics/wizzies whathaveyou.
Hyper leveling in general isn't so bad, it's just when it is abused to create hyperbabies that it becomes a problem. For example, level 101 Clerics that don't know what IH is. Or lvl 100 Barbarians that have lvl 30 armor because they wasted all their coin on hyperleveling and can't afford new gear. It takes the fail to a whole new level.
- What happened to the popularity of Venomancers? I have a veno with a hercules and noone wants to be around her!! b:sad
They sell actual herc and nix tickets in the cash shop now from what I've seen, lots of people have hercs.
Honestly, it sounds like you're not running with the right crowd. Myself and everyone I know loves squadding with venos. b:chuckle Even with the walking biscuit behind them.
- Rank gear: How do you get it, level requirements, what makes it so much better, what the heck is rerolling armor, and other gear as comparisons (Warsong which is apparently darn near impossible to get, Old Heavens Tear, Nirvana).
Here's a helpful page.
I probably have more and I'm really sorry to do this to you all but I want to be a loved cleric that knows his stuff rather than a fail cleric that Leroys all over Heaven and Hell!
I don't mind if you post links rather than full responses (hey, it's a forum, I expect thats what you'll do haha), and I just want to thank everyone in advance who replies, even the n00b bashers, flamers and trolls.
b:pleased
EDIT: Also, Phoenix Valley: what is it and how do you do it? I tried finding a guide but to no avail :S
You need to find a group of people within the level range, and talk to the PV npc. You'll probably want to bring hypers.
I've only ever done it once, when I was around level 50. I'd prefer not to ever go back.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
~Demon as of 5/6/12 - On the night where the moon is closer to the earth and brighter than any other night in the past 18 years.~
Slow and steady stays alive~ I'm in no rush, I'm enjoying the journey to end game just as it was ment to be. b:victory
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Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »
EDIT: Also, Phoenix Valley: what is it and how do you do it? I tried finding a guide but to no avail :S
Best addition to game since god knows when. Only thing that suck is the effing 15min timer, making it difficult to spam to anybody but seriously OP HAs/Kinda OPish Duos/squads, though that nerfs xp a bit.__Sami__ - Archer - 105/103/102 - mypers.pw/1.8/#132088 - Active
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if goon glitch was around for 1 more month i would be 105 already
but no i had other stuff to do when it was around and only lvled 3 alts to 100
i thought having a lvl 100 catshop is fun
i only made a lvl on wizard
70% 102 to 40% 103
now i have to solo 3 pv every day for less than 1%
its just as intense in charm usage as gooning but less efficient
duo fc till heads is only 0,2 % and takes about 40 minutes total
(a wizard is not a speed-train)
not sure if i continue after hitting 104
oh.. venos
problem with them is
they do annoying things, like pulling single mobs
and you only take one for your squad
a second one would be a wasted spot since they are only usful for debuffs
meanwhile you can take 3 sins or bms no problemi like potato0 -
Why am I not surprised that came from a wizard of all classes..0
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Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »Why am I not surprised that came from a wizard of all classes..
b:chuckle pecking order
no really... why would one take TWO venos for their squadi like potato0 -
One as tag-backup if cleric pulls aggroHexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »no really... why would one take TWO venos for their squad0 -
mrcharlytoo wrote: »One as tag-backup if cleric pulls aggro
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Darendo - Sanctuary wrote: »- What happened to the popularity of Venomancers? I have a veno with a hercules and noone wants to be around her!! b:sad
I play Venomancer on all 9 servers, ever since closed beta.
I will be playing veno as main, for as long as pwi lives.
I still get questions from higher lvl sins, how I do the thing I do on my veno. b:pleasedb:heart C. G. C. b:heart
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