Best helm in game for sins?

Darkarim - Archosaur · October 2012

What is the best helm a sin can get in game considering it is +12 and fully recasted
Myriad Blossom?
advanced Ancestral Divine hat?
anyone knows?

Ambisagrus - Lost City · October 2012

In the game currently.....

probably 3rd cast NV helm +12 w/ JoSD

truekossy · October 2012

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/33306

Honestly this isn't even much of a question.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · October 2012

What the rest said.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · October 2012

Even I'm confused on how Awakened Divine Hat is definitively better than Myriad Blossom Helm. Myriad offers crit, mdef, and pdef, along with the set bonus of +5 attack levels. I assume people are still using G15 pants for -int, rather than 3 x r8r. So if you went G16 you'd get +90 hp at +10, 2-14 dex, 6-12 vit, and 1-2 phys def.

So I see G16 as slightly better defensively, depending on the adds, but worse offensively. Yet 3 people are saying definitely its better.

What am I missing?

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide · October 2012

Sakubatou you are missing that people automaticly assume new gear is better then the old gear. Sometimes thats the case and sometimes its not. For sins the 5 attack lvls, crit, m def, and pdef of g15 is > than the 90+ hp, 2-24 dex, 6-12 vit, and 1-2% phys def of g16. I call it the "look it's new and shiny!" syndrome, some people buy into it and others do the math.

Ambisagrus - Lost City · October 2012

The guy asked what was the best possible helm end game for a sin.

That would be 3rd cast NV helm Awakened Divine Hat.

He DID NOT ask "My build/want/desire/concern/insertthe****everelseyouwanttostartathreadwith about helms, what one is best for me?" while giving info on either their desires or build so that we could better judge what helm would help more overall towards their goal.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · October 2012

For LA gear it's definitely arguable. The only reason I agreed with what the rest said was because of the OP's question. It's a gain of ~300 hp at +12 in exchange for lower p and m def (100), but in return there's a higher dex gain and reduced physical damage.

For a complete gear comparison with just the helm/cape changed out, the only notable differences are (from a Demon sin perspective):

T3:
-~600 more raw p attack damage
-~1,050 more hp unbuffed
-~650 more accuracy and ~300 more evasion (more counts in PvP imo)
-Physical damage resistance +2%

T2 Lunar Nirvana:
-225 more P def
-~100 more M def
-5 more attack levels

Both have the same crit rate.

So at this point it's purely just a preference. Olbaze or someone could be the judge of whether or not 600 more raw attack p attack power is worth the 5 attack level set bonus sacrifice, or if the HP gain and p resistance +2% is worth the p and m def tradeoffs.

truekossy · October 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

For LA gear it's definitely arguable. The only reason I agreed with what the rest said was because of the OP's question. It's a gain of ~300 hp at +12 in exchange for lower p and m def (100), but in return there's a higher dex gain and reduced physical damage.

For a complete gear comparison with just the helm/cape changed out, the only notable differences are (from a Demon sin perspective):

T3:
-~600 more raw p attack damage
-~1,050 more hp unbuffed
-~650 more accuracy and ~300 more evasion (more counts in PvP imo)
-Physical damage resistance +2%

T2 Lunar Nirvana:
-225 more P def
-~100 more M def
-5 more attack levels

Both have the same crit rate.

So at this point it's purely just a preference. Olbaze or someone could be the judge of whether or not 600 more raw attack p attack power is worth the 5 attack level set bonus sacrifice, or if the HP gain and p resistance +2% is worth the p and m def tradeoffs.

Ambisagrus - Lost City wrote: »

The guy asked what was the best possible helm end game for a sin.

That would be 3rd cast NV helm Awakened Divine Hat.

He DID NOT ask "My build/want/desire/concern/insertthe****everelseyouwanttostartathreadwith about helms, what one is best for me?" while giving info on either their desires or build so that we could better judge what helm would help more overall towards their goal.

These. Had OP given us more to work with, G15 could be considered better easily. However with his question asked and lack of background, you're left with a comparison of the helms alone... and G16 wins that battle.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · October 2012

I would consider the G16 better in PvP and the G15 better for PvE. The defense and offense gained by each is very minimal over the other.

I always consider people to be asking about the "normal" aps build. R8 chest, G15 LA pants (and helm, usually), TT99 LA wrist and boots, tt99 HA ornies, possibly an -int tome. Rings and dagger are usually the only aps gear variable generally.

And comparing dex vs attack levels, the biggest thing that matters is the dagger and the number of other attack levels in their build.

I just found it odd that 3 people instantly "G16 is better" without knowing his gear, goals, or if he meant offensively or defensively.

Ambisagrus - Lost City · October 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just found it odd that 3 people instantly "G16 is better" without knowing his gear, goals, or if he meant offensively or defensively.

That is why I said it. I didn't know what he planned for, his question was so general it was hard to answer, so I gave the general idea of G16 is usually better.

Darkarim - Archosaur · October 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

For LA gear it's definitely arguable. The only reason I agreed with what the rest said was because of the OP's question. It's a gain of ~300 hp at +12 in exchange for lower p and m def (100), but in return there's a higher dex gain and reduced physical damage.

For a complete gear comparison with just the helm/cape changed out, the only notable differences are (from a Demon sin perspective):

T3:
-~600 more raw p attack damage
-~1,050 more hp unbuffed
-~650 more accuracy and ~300 more evasion (more counts in PvP imo)
-Physical damage resistance +2%

T2 Lunar Nirvana:
-225 more P def
-~100 more M def
-5 more attack levels

Both have the same crit rate.

So at this point it's purely just a preference. Olbaze or someone could be the judge of whether or not 600 more raw attack p attack power is worth the 5 attack level set bonus sacrifice, or if the HP gain and p resistance +2% is worth the p and m def tradeoffs.

Sorry for being unclear this here is what i was trying to compare x_x

Olbaze - Sanctuary · October 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

T3:
-~600 more raw p attack damage
-~1,050 more hp unbuffed
-~650 more accuracy and ~300 more evasion (more counts in PvP imo)
-Physical damage resistance +2%

T2 Lunar Nirvana:
-225 more P def
-~100 more M def
-5 more attack levels

Both have the same crit rate.

So at this point it's purely just a preference. Olbaze or someone could be the judge of whether or not 600 more raw attack p attack power is worth the 5 attack level set bonus sacrifice, or if the HP gain and p resistance +2% is worth the p and m def tradeoffs.

With those stats, the G16 has ~3% more damage.

The G16 does also provide ~7% more effective HP against physical attacks and ~8% more against magical attacks.

So the G16 is superior in both defense and offense there.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · October 2012

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

With those stats, the G16 has ~3% more damage. The G16 does also provide ~7% more effective HP against physical attacks and ~8% more against magical attacks.

So the G16 is superior in both defense and offense there.

I knew you wouldn't let me down! I actually wanted to know those specific numbers. Thanks for that.

The defensive numbers would be lower if the refine rate was only +10, right?

Darkarim - Archosaur · October 2012

Thank you very much Olba!

Olbaze - Sanctuary · October 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

I knew you wouldn't let me down! I actually wanted to know those specific numbers. Thanks for that.

The defensive numbers would be lower if the refine rate was only +10, right?

Actually, no. Goes from 7%/8% to 8%/9%. Mostly has to do with the lower base HP making the difference between the G15 refine and the G16 refine even more pronounced.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · October 2012

Ah I see. Unfortunately I won't be going T3 Nirvana helm/cape for a long time. Not really in the mood to make a new helm, keep it 4 sockets all the way to second cast, and 3rd cast it and keep sockets (I'm OCD about sockets unfortunately).

And it's not worth chiening over +11 and 4 jades on my helm over. At least not yet. And I don't even have a Nirvana cape xD

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