PWI Realistic Details Patch: Less Lagging with Details

Snowysaber - Archosaur · October 2012

Now, I continue to lag out due to problems with the realistic details you guys, the PWI Team, created, and I was hoping if you could find a way to reduce the lag, but somehow keep the details active.

iexze · October 2012

Maybe get a better computer and internet to handle those 1337 graphics? In all seriousness I didn't even know you can lag out because of graphics

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Playing on a laptop is still not fine, as I have to play with the lowest settings so the game remains fluid.

If we had no best performance button, I'd either have to play it on a desktop computer or not played PWI at all.

and to think people requested for the game to have revamped graphics (which I agree with, so PWI gets a new coat of paint)... Well, it seems one part of it got solved, since the four original classes and the Tideborn can now be blessed with the Earthguard eyes (and no, not the third eye).

Xainou - Sanctuary · October 2012

I can't say I've noticed any difference. The only time I lag is pretty much when like half the faction unleashes aoes in trials. lol

Seriously people, you can't expect a game to run on a toaster from 1843. b:surrender

losera · October 2012

turning down resolution helped me alot

just make sure to choose a good size in the lower resolutions, something that doesnt disturb ur eyes

best performance i really only use if i have to stay in archosaur for longer time like when i go shopping b:pleased

other than that recommended settings in launcher work out well for my gameboy performance pc (=

Cotillion - Dreamweaver · October 2012

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Playing on a laptop is still not fine, as I have to play with the lowest settings so the game remains fluid.

If we had no best performance button, I'd either have to play it on a desktop computer or not played PWI at all.

The fact of whether your PC is a laptop or desktop doesn't matter. Whats inside it for hardware, however, does. I'm dual-clienting right now on a laptop, both clients on max settings and mine is pretty mediocre tbh, compared to whats out there for laptops.

Desdi - Sanctuary · October 2012

At some point my old laptop couldn't even handle the log in page; it would instantly lag like hell so it's a matter of the hardware/pc/laptop you have.

As far as I know what can give yout he most lag in terms of graphics is effects (skill effects especially aoe and especially seeker aoe skills), terrain and water. I may be wrong though. Graphics like sky, trees, flowers etc. in this game take up little data.

Bubbles - Morai · October 2012

Guys...
Guys...
the performance of your computer/graphical settings/the game has nothing to do with lagging. b:irritated

Lag = your ping to server is really high like 1000ms
Fps = frames per second = good measurement of how well your computer is running the game at a specific set of settings

You don't lag in single player games do you...

If your laptop/computer/toaster is having problems running pw then either set the settings at low or get a new one.
PW runs like **** anyways, you won't be getting the best performance with ideal hardware.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver · October 2012

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

Guys...
Guys...
the performance of your computer/graphical settings/the game has nothing to do with lagging. b:irritated

Lag = your ping to server is really high like 1000ms
Fps = frames per second = good measurement of how well your computer is running the game at a specific set of settings

I think the term 'lag', while we know its meaning, is also loosely applied to drop in FPS and graphical slowness with the game due to lower end machine/graphics card. Or probably more aptly referred to as 'graphical lag'. While probably not the best term, I think 'lag' gets used freely for both situations.
Some people would refer to a drop in FPS due to their machine being slow/not able to handle it at higher settings in a single player offline game as 'lag' too, I'm sure. Just because of the slow-down and choppiness of it. I'm not saying 'lag' is the correct term for it, just it gets used for both.

Desdi - Sanctuary · October 2012

Well, I'm with Cotilion on this one. At least, my group of friends and I often name lag both low FPS and server lag so I'm used to using the term lag for pretty much anything that has to do with the game not working properly (server lag, graphical lag, screenfreeze etc.). I know the term might be wrong but I think most people understand what I mean by saying it XD

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

At some point my old laptop couldn't even handle the log in page; it would instantly lag like hell so it's a matter of the hardware/pc/laptop you have.

As far as I know what can give yout he most lag in terms of graphics is effects (skill effects especially aoe and especially seeker aoe skills), terrain and water. I may be wrong though. Graphics like sky, trees, flowers etc. in this game take up little data.

You know, at one point, the PWI website was just awful to browse, as the theme was badly designed. I think it was during the Tideborn expansion.

And then, the game was mighty popular, it was about impossible to log in during the first days. It's the same during the anniversary rewards or other handed items.

As for the second part of your post, the game nicely shows in what proportion resources are used. I tend to play with lower quality (I don't need lens flares anyway), but with textures to the max, so my veno's israfel does not look like it's missing eyes and my barb in true form has a normal (?) look.

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

Guys...
Guys...
the performance of your computer/graphical settings/the game has nothing to do with lagging. b:irritated

Lag = your ping to server is really high like 1000ms
Fps = frames per second = good measurement of how well your computer is running the game at a specific set of settings

You don't lag in single player games do you...

If your laptop/computer/toaster is having problems running pw then either set the settings at low or get a new one.
PW runs like **** anyways, you won't be getting the best performance with ideal hardware.

No lag in single player games? Well, of course, except if you do want to install a game that is too resource-demanding for your computer. In which case it's more probable it won't install at all or just be totally unplayable. I did mean lag in the general sense.

And then, some games that are supposed to be one player only now need a constant connection to internet, which I feel is a ridiculous idea.

Bubbles - Morai · October 2012

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No lag in single player games? Well, of course, except if you do want to install a game that is too resource-demanding for your computer. In which case it's more probable it won't install at all or just be totally unplayable. I did mean lag in the general sense.

And then, some games that are supposed to be one player only now need a constant connection to internet, which I feel is a ridiculous idea.

The constant connection thing would be a valid reason for lag, didn't think about that.

It's still a connection with latency though. Anything that has a connection, whether it's the internet or wireless mouse, is going to lag by some degree. It's just not noticeable most of the time; like if you take a monitor for instance, the delay between the monitor and keyboard is anywhere from 2 ms to 5 ms. You won't notice anything unless it started ghosting.

I know what you guys are talking about, but doesn't mean it's correct.
It's like using "your" instead of "you're" or "their" instead of "there"; yes people will know what you mean, but doesn't mean you should do it.

AliceAdams - Lost City · October 2012

My computer was more or less built to handle hardcore gaming.

And I have issues with full graphics display settings on this game.

I shouldn't even have to drop the settings to be in West Arch, but if I don't, I get glitchy.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear · October 2012

I have a mediocre 5 year old laptop and I can run more than one client on max settings with no lag, graphical or otherwise. I never have the graphics turned down.

Just depends on your computer/graphics card I guess. Or if you mean real lag, your internet connection might be at fault.

hiddenmonkey · October 2012

Realistic graphics patch? Where? PWs engine can't even handle average cartoony graphics.

I run it on max texture and the client crashes left right and center. Can't really blaim it on my computer. 64GB of ram, 6 core 4.0GHz i7 Sandy, gtx 680x2 SLI, PCIE Revo 3 x2... I should be able to run 50 pw's at max graphics with no troubles. If anything my computer is probably too powerful and too new. Because PW has been known to have major incompatibility issues in the past like when Tideborn first came out ATI video cards wouldn't recolor Tideborn heads. And on the opposite side at the time Nvidia cards had major artifacting with the Grand Lobster. Just as an example.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

The constant connection thing would be a valid reason for lag, didn't think about that.

It's still a connection with latency though. Anything that has a connection, whether it's the internet or wireless mouse, is going to lag by some degree. It's just not noticeable most of the time; like if you take a monitor for instance, the delay between the monitor and keyboard is anywhere from 2 ms to 5 ms. You won't notice anything unless it started ghosting.

I know what you guys are talking about, but doesn't mean it's correct.
It's like using "your" instead of "you're" or "their" instead of "there"; yes people will know what you mean, but doesn't mean you should do it.

Lag may just be more or less the same as latency or abnormally slower refreshing rate.

It's just a matter of context.

Shayd - Raging Tide · October 2012

The game engine PWI uses is ancient and they don't give a f to update or at least optimize it was made during time when on board GPUs were mainstream and most work was done by CPU. Don't tell me they ''Can't'' Update it look at World of you-know what (Forum censoring) They update engine every expansion, Pandaria gives wow Dynamic lights. A I O N Online got update in 2.5 with pushed graphics as well. Perfect World is just old it runs terribly on any PC because it simply doesn't use it's maximum potential My gaming laptop ran it at barely 30FPS now with my new rig I get 20's in City and 40-50 Outside with all settings (Except Soften, it's ugly) On, and Forced 32x Anti-aliasing and 16x Texture filtering. MY specs?

Intel i7 3770k 3.9Ghz (Intel Turbo)
16DDR3 RAM
Evga 680GTX Super-clocked
That's pretty much highest you can get if you don't count OCing

I can run Battlefield at 50-60 Average and I can't run Old chinese game? Same thing applies to lag it's the game engine that keeps everything together, textures, 3d models animations AND decided what is send over the network. Servers aren't State-of-art either. and Bubbles..yes it does matter if CPU is loaded with game stuff it doesn't have enough processing power for everything like I said network so it lags, believe me, why else would companies sell ''gaming'' networking PCI cards

Bubbles - Morai · October 2012

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lag may just be more or less the same as latency or abnormally slower refreshing rate.

It's just a matter of context.

Shayd - Raging Tide wrote: »

The game engine PWI uses is ancient and they don't give a f to update or at least optimize it was made during time when on board GPUs were mainstream and most work was done by CPU. Don't tell me they ''Can't'' Update it look at World of you-know what (Forum censoring) They update engine every expansion, Pandaria gives wow Dynamic lights. A I O N Online got update in 2.5 with pushed graphics as well. Perfect World is just old it runs terribly on any PC because it simply doesn't use it's maximum potential My gaming laptop ran it at barely 30FPS now with my new rig I get 20's in City and 40-50 Outside with all settings (Except Soften, it's ugly) On, and Forced 32x Anti-aliasing and 16x Texture filtering. MY specs?

Intel i7 3770k 3.9Ghz (Intel Turbo)
16DDR3 RAM
Evga 680GTX Super-clocked
That's pretty much highest you can get if you don't count OCing

I can run Battlefield at 50-60 Average and I can't run Old chinese game? Same thing applies to lag it's the game engine that keeps everything together, textures, 3d models animations AND decided what is send over the network. Servers aren't State-of-art either. and Bubbles..yes it does matter if CPU is loaded with game stuff it doesn't have enough processing power for everything like I said network so it lags, believe me, why else would companies sell ''gaming'' networking PCI cards

I should probably stop browsing this thread before I end up writing a wall or two...
b:shutup

krisnda · October 2012

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

I should probably stop browsing this thread before I end up writing a wall or two...
b:shutup

As a computer technician, I wanna see a wall of text xDD.

Crystyl - Dreamweaver · October 2012

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, I'm with Cotilion on this one. At least, my group of friends and I often name lag both low FPS and server lag so I'm used to using the term lag for pretty much anything that has to do with the game not working properly (server lag, graphical lag, screenfreeze etc.). I know the term might be wrong but I think most people understand what I mean by saying it XD

Me too. This wasn't a question about whether it was lag or FPS. Lag is network speed and FPS is hardware issues but they both exhibit very similar symptoms so the problem is usually described as lag. If changing your graphic settings seems to fix it then it's your system hardware.

anwynd · October 2012

The only areas i have trouble with in the game when about 10 or more people are around is the EG land. Then theres TB land where i lag no matter what but other places on the map are just fine. Heck my faction has had about 100 people show up for a special geting to know your faction mates and hang out event. We were up on that giant mountian above etherblade(cant remember the name lol)on it and flying around it. I had everything maxed out and I even had the option of only seeing people that are close to you only unchecked so i could see everyone and also had effects distance maxed out. I also had the option to see there custimizations and i didnt have any lag what so ever and we were atking and dueling and ****. No lag at all during that but if we try anything in EG or heaven forbid TB land even on the lowest graphic option and everything lowered i lag all to hell with only about 10-20 people there and i have a pretty dam nice pc lol.

Mor_Toran - Sanctuary · October 2012

I always think it's funny to see people complain their high-end systems suck so bad at PWI, and like the above poster said, they can't even get it above 30FPS.

Makes me wonder, as I sit with a 5-year old system cosisting of a Core2 Quad 2.4GHZ, 4GB ram, and an 8800GT and I can average 50FPS. Same system with a 480GTX averages 65FPS.

Wonder what's so different about the system architecture that the client sucks so bad on it.

Bubbles - Morai · October 2012

Mor_Toran - Sanctuary wrote: »

I always think it's funny to see people complain their high-end systems suck so bad at PWI, and like the above poster said, they can't even get it above 30FPS.

Makes me wonder, as I sit with a 5-year old system cosisting of a Core2 Quad 2.4GHZ, 4GB ram, and an 8800GT and I can average 50FPS. Same system with a 480GTX averages 65FPS.

Wonder what's so different about the system architecture that the client sucks so bad on it.

Angelica engine.
It's old, crappy, and isn't optimized for newer systems.

Shayd - Raging Tide · October 2012

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

Angelica engine.
It's old, crappy, and isn't optimized for newer systems.

I though they renamed it to Element engine

bluestuffzzz · October 2012

Shayd - Raging Tide wrote: »

I though they renamed it to Element engine

Elementclient.exe is the file for the client. The game engine is run by Angelica, which pre-dates the game by ~1-2 years. The game client can be tracked back to 2003-2004, and was developed by Archasaur Studios.

The current game engine is immensely CPU-based, can't use multiple cores, has major memory leaks, graphical incompatibilities w/ specific intel on-board chips and nvidia chips, etc. The game runs the same on my $100 netbook as it does on my $1.5k custom desktop. Constant crashing, low FPS in most areas (30 and under), etc.

I've found nothing that can fix my constant crashing, either. Nearly every single suggestion + ticket I've read on the forums or sent, has lead to the same crashing.
-Reinstall OS
-Verify client multiple times for MD5 hash fix
-Re-install the game completely
-Verify that all drivers are up to date
-Run the client in x width/resolution
-Put the game folder as an exception on Antivirus list

Nothing has worked, and I have given up. The old client works fine. I can boot up my own localhost server or hop on a private server dating back to Age of Spirts, and I don't get the crashing. The FPS can still be a pain, but that's to be expected from a very old and out of date game.

TempleSlave - Lost City · October 2012

Wow... this thread is just full of headache inducing derp quoting derp...

Derp wrote:

Derpa wrote:

Derp

Derp.

The Angelica Engine is MMX optimised. Maybe 3 people in this thread will understand.

b:victory

Starflair - Dreamweaver · October 2012

Location location location. Kinda depends on where you are. I almost never have high performance when I'm in archosaur. My poor lappy couldn't handle it (well it could, but the frames per second are devastating).

I play pwi on my Dell laptop which I've had for about 6 years. I can usually max out the details, but the one thing that'll kill your fps (in my opinion and experience) is the distance setting. If you max everything but keep your distance setting at the minimum and detail setting at 2/3 (I don't see a huge difference between 2/3 and 3/3) you should be able to enjoy PWI in all of it's glory. Knocking the water setting about one peg from max isn't that HUGE of a difference either. I'd really just max EVERYTHING if I wanted a nice screenshot. That's about it. Mind you, I'm on a laptop. You probably don't need refraction on either.

John_Smith - Harshlands · October 2012

TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »

Wow... this thread is just full of headache inducing derp quoting derp...

The Angelica Engine is MMX optimised. Maybe 3 people in this thread will understand.

b:victory

Explains a lot.

Lol. That **** is older than some of the players.

Kinjeto - Raging Tide · October 2012

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Hit it with a spanner or a lug wrench. That usually works.

You could also stick a lot of neodymium magnets to the side of your case. This would solve a lot of problems. b:laugh

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