-Int necessary?

Reninz - Dreamweaver
Reninz - Dreamweaver Posts: 75 Arc User
edited October 2012 in Archer
Soo i just got my G16 bow wit decent stats, +18 vit, +1 atk lvl and +100 phys atk. Im just curious if i go full g16 gear, wit jungle/cube ornies, then my aps would drop to 0.67. Should i reroll the g16 to try for -int? would 1x -int even really mattter much if im goin full g16?

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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It's not much of a need. Especially if you're using skills heavily with a weapon that has no kind of proc.

    So is it helpful? Sure. Is it something to aim for when going full G16? Nope!
  • Roslol - Harshlands
    Roslol - Harshlands Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Reroll that bow or you will end up regretting it. Essentially 2/3 adds on your reroll is junk, +1 attack level doesn't even compare to +18 dex or +100 p.attack.
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  • Heartz - Dreamweaver
    Heartz - Dreamweaver Posts: 422 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Reroll that bow or you will end up regretting it. Essentially 2/3 adds on your reroll is junk, +1 attack level doesn't even compare to +18 dex or +100 p.attack.

    I'll second that, I would not even consider keeping those stats.
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  • mm2000
    mm2000 Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    It is completely useless on archers, it is not necessary, archer is a DPH class, not a DPS class.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    You get 20 att lvls, 15 defence lvls, and 700 HP from a full G16 set.
    Along with that, better HP from refines, and higher defences.

    That's WAY better than hitting a little faster
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  • mm2000
    mm2000 Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    You get 20 att lvls, 15 defence lvls, and 700 HP from a full G16 set.
    Along with that, better HP from refines, and higher defences.

    That's WAY better than hitting a little faster

    You mean unnoticaby faster...? I tested with interval gear, I haven't notice any difference whatsoever.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    mm2000 wrote: »
    You mean unnoticaby faster...? I tested with interval gear, I haven't notice any difference whatsoever.

    Idk, I don't have an archer b:chuckle
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I wouldn't call it unnoticeable, but demon QS somewhat ameliorates the situation either way.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    mm2000 wrote: »
    You mean unnoticaby faster...? I tested with interval gear, I haven't notice any difference whatsoever.

    It's always noticeable to me. Dunno how you don't even feel a difference.
  • Roslol - Harshlands
    Roslol - Harshlands Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    truekossy wrote: »
    It's always noticeable to me. Dunno how you don't even feel a difference.

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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Sage archer jelly

    Makes sense. b:laugh
  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Sage archer jelly

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    I think -int on a bow is definitely noticeable, but that extra hit you can squeeze only matters if you're gonna be hitting something for a long time (bosses). In the case of regular mobs and other players, you won't need more than quickshot. I mean, it helps...but if you proc the quickshot anyway, the damage helps you more.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    All these people noticing a .05 attack speed increase, lol

    Its a placebo effect, you know the attack speed is technically faster so you percieve it as faster.

    In terms of dps, -int has exponential growth. The faster the attack is the more dps boost you get from the next step up. The next step beyond that is the even a bigger boost to dps and so on and so on. On the other hand, the slower your base attack the less -int matters. This is the case with axes and bows.

    so, .67 aps = 1.5 seconds per attack. The next step is 1.45 seconds between attacks (.69 aps). This means its about a 3.4% dps difference with 1x -int. Your choice if that is more important than a dph add.
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  • Reninz - Dreamweaver
    Reninz - Dreamweaver Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well i just rerolled it.....and i got atk lvl+1, -int and +18 mag >_> guess i gotta reroll again D=
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    mm2000 wrote: »
    You mean unnoticaby faster...? I tested with interval gear, I haven't notice any difference whatsoever.

    Shooting at 0.95/1.0 is noticeably faster than shooting at 0.67
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Well i just rerolled it.....and i got atk lvl+1, -int and +18 mag >_> guess i gotta reroll again D=

    Reroll again and get like +dex and +crit and something else. That is what I would personally aim for. +vit, -int or +lvls would be a nice follow up.

    And I agree with what Iyania said about aps being mainly important for bosses. You won't notice the difference in TW or PvE mobs because that is mostly skill usage. Main spot that I noticed my drop from .91 to .80 (besides bosses) is in Warsong soloing pavs, but that is still easy enough.
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  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    All these people noticing a .05 attack speed increase, lol

    Its a placebo effect, you know the attack speed is technically faster so you percieve it as faster.

    In terms of dps, -int has exponential growth. The faster the attack is the more dps boost you get from the next step up. The next step beyond that is the even a bigger boost to dps and so on and so on. On the other hand, the slower your base attack the less -int matters. This is the case with axes and bows.

    so, .67 aps = 1.5 seconds per attack. The next step is 1.45 seconds between attacks (.69 aps). This means its about a 3.4% dps difference with 1x -int. Your choice if that is more important than a dph add.

    It's not a placebo affect. This goes back a long time ago before the APS craze; I actually first noticed that my archer was attacking slower before I looked at my gear and realized wearing 1 piece of TT99 made me attack slower than 2. It's even more noticeable if you stack on another archer and watch him shoot faster/slower than you. However as I said, while you definitely attack faster, it's not that useful in PvP/small mobs compared to raw damage.
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  • Roslol - Harshlands
    Roslol - Harshlands Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Reroll again and get like +dex and +crit and something else. That is what I would personally aim for. +vit, -int or +lvls would be a nice follow up.

    +crit is just as useless as +attack levels. I wouldn't keep unless I had 2 +p.attack/max p.attack (is it even possible on G16)/+dex/+str restated and 1 more less useful add.
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  • Cathulion - Dreamweaver
    Cathulion - Dreamweaver Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Shouldn't roll APS if you don't plan on going 5aps to begin with. Won't be accepted into fast nirvana squads with a little int bonus when your not based on aps.
  • Reninz - Dreamweaver
    Reninz - Dreamweaver Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Shouldn't roll APS if you don't plan on going 5aps to begin with. Won't be accepted into fast nirvana squads with a little int bonus when your not based on aps.

    Umm....not to sound rude....but i'm an archer...i dont do nirvy squads unless its for 99 keys.

    If i wanted to really farm nirvy i'd use my sin to duo b:surrender

    And mmm im thinking of trying to get -int, +dex, and +phhys atk o.o how does that seem?
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    shouldn't Roll Aps If You Don't Plan On Going 5aps To Begin With. Won't Be Accepted Into Fast Nirvana Squads With A Little Int Bonus When Your Not Based On Aps.

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  • Cathulion - Dreamweaver
    Cathulion - Dreamweaver Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I imagine what's best for what you want is:

    P Attack
    Attack Level
    Crit+
    Dex+

    What does -Int matter if your not doing 5aps on a pure archer build? It's nowhere enough to be good APS worth of killing regardless. APS Is only truly good if your a BM/Sin/Barb/Archer based on 5 APS(Where Sin is only good with interval, BM's, archers, and barbs can be based on pure axe/tank/bow build)
  • Roslol - Harshlands
    Roslol - Harshlands Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I imagine what's best for what you want is:

    P Attack
    Attack Level
    Crit+
    Dex+

    -0.05 is better than 2 of the adds you listed out of the 4.

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  • Cathulion - Dreamweaver
    Cathulion - Dreamweaver Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    How so? Were talking about this stats on a (assuming) pure bow archer as he said he wanted full g16 build, not APS. Meaning terrible APS bonuses not worthy of having as to where the stats I listed help your bow damage insanely.
  • Reninz - Dreamweaver
    Reninz - Dreamweaver Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I imagine what's best for what you want is:

    P Attack
    Attack Level
    Crit+
    Dex+

    What does -Int matter if your not doing 5aps on a pure archer build? It's nowhere enough to be good APS worth of killing regardless. APS Is only truly good if your a BM/Sin/Barb/Archer based on 5 APS(Where Sin is only good with interval, BM's, archers, and barbs can be based on pure axe/tank/bow build)

    You cant get 5 aps on a bow....

    And also I AM pure bow wit 104 str with all gear adds combined...
  • Cathulion - Dreamweaver
    Cathulion - Dreamweaver Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Misunderstanding. I know you can't get 5aps on a bow. I meant that in the case bows can't get higher then maybe 2.22 aps or so sparked, why bother with int? If you intend to be pure build, then APS isn't suited at all for you.
  • Stargleama - Archosaur
    Stargleama - Archosaur Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Misunderstanding. I know you can't get 5aps on a bow. I meant that in the case bows can't get higher then maybe 2.22 aps or so sparked, why bother with int? If you intend to be pure build, then APS isn't suited at all for you.

    If I rerolled a G16 bow and ended up with -interval and 2 good adds (+dex, p attack, etc), I would keep it. Archers shouldn't exactly be anti-interval, but we should prioritize our dph over our attack speed.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    A single -0.05 on an archer is approximately equivalent to 3% DPS increase, this is assuming 0.67 base attack speed. Yes archers don't attack very quickly, but most archers still usually take at least 3-5 shots at anything with decent gear, thus attacking faster will help.

    So yes, -0.05 int is better than 1% crit or +1 attack level. It is a little bit less effective than +100 attack though.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    A single -0.05 on an archer is approximately equivalent to 3% DPS increase, this is assuming 0.67 base attack speed. Yes archers don't attack very quickly, but most archers still usually take at least 3-5 shots at anything with decent gear, thus attacking faster will help.

    So yes, -0.05 int is better than 1% crit or +1 attack level. It is a little bit less effective than +100 attack though.

    Most archers at that level have atleast 0.1 more (wrists) though.
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Misunderstanding. I know you can't get 5aps on a bow. I meant that in the case bows can't get higher then maybe 2.22 aps or so sparked, why bother with int? If you intend to be pure build, then APS isn't suited at all for you.

    Lol, no bows can shoot 2.22 aps sparked. The best you can get with a bow is something like 1.54 sparked assuming max interval gear and some stupidly rare -int adds on a bow.
    Most archers at that level have atleast 0.1 more (wrists) though.

    Only with a tome. Otherwise, you're shooting at 0.67 since g16 has no interval at all on it (lame...)
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