What exactly do you buy low of to sell high? ...

zyph512 · October 2012

I am having huge money problems. I'm in 8x now. At the moment use 3* gear which I'm getting negative comments on. The 9x gear I will need, will cost 10mill at least. On top of that the skills needed, and the costly skill books coming.

I first tried selling DQ items put those on for 2K sold just 5 seriously. Can't sell mirages already many people selling for mere 10200, they just selling it basically to sell other crafting related stuff. I can just npc them and make faster buck. Same thing with teles, hypers etc. They selling for bare minimum profit and then they have price wars. Keep slashing them, good to buy not to sell.

I tried buying packs thought might as well, as some people had been making profit with them. All of them came out to be tokens, was massive loss. Tokens sell for 12K each while the gold price is 1.4mill. Tried selling mats with not much success, need a lot more money than that. Not many catshops near West Blacksmith, from which I conclude not many people buying them anymore.

You guys might say go grind. I did, in one hour I made just over 100K I kid you not, and it was 2x drops. I was disgusted but not much I can do. TT it is always nightmare to find a healer and people expect a cleric. Still made few runs, some runs you get no mats at all, some couple some 3/4. The problem being it is good for some money but not enough, andI also need most of those mats now for my own gear. I have other friends who have the same problem. So what can we do.

I honestly feel unwelcomed. Its like you're only welcome if you're willing to spend real money. Otherwise tough luck. So guys seriously is there anyway to make enough money to cope with demands of gears and skills, or should I accept reality and move on.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · October 2012

it takes money to make money, dont invest in gear until you can afford to, or you can see a path where the gear will make you appreciably more profitable.

if your gear gets you where you need to be, ignore the people that tell you it isnt.

the mirage thing, you arent appreciating the profitability of bulk buying and selling. people who are refining will buy 1000 mirages at a time, thats 200k a flip. you just have to play around inside the set margins, if you are willing to undercut the lowest seller and pay more than the highest buyer, you will take the market untill you get undercut. if you could have sold 1000 mirages at 10150 a piece, and you just npced, you lost 150k

packs are profitable, but not so much when you open them, its when you sell them. you just need to know the most popular packs, and what the market is willing to pay, and buy gold for less, keeping in mind the 2% AH fee or buying gold direct from players.

have you noticed all the people buying 22/44 gold in WC paying less than AH? thats what they're doing.

TT has become a solo 100+ sin/bm thing. your time will not be well spent there.

study the market, learn what people are willing to buy/sell for, and jump in. the problem you will run into, which most run into, is that your profits arent rolling in fast enough, and that there is a lot of competition for the same items. but thats what it is. if you see someone selling an item that you think you could sell for more than they are asking, buy it, and put it in a shop, it will take longer to sell than WCing it for 5 minutes, but if you wait it out, the more people that know its available from you the more than someone is likely to buy it from you.

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver · October 2012

Well, generally speaking, spend enough real money to get rank 8 and lv to 100. Then just do events and bh.

Most of the players thar are left have been playing for a very long time and the game is not really friendly to free to play and new players.

ponyduck · October 2012

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well, generally speaking, spend enough real money to get rank 8 and lv to 100. Then just do events and bh.

Most of the players thar are left have been playing for a very long time and the game is not really friendly to free to play and new players.

I agree that, unfortunately, this is the case. For the past year or so, I've retired all
my high lvl chars, and just start new ones & go as far as I can without spending
any rl money on game. I usually get to about lvl 60 before I have to start
"working" too hard to get what I need gear/skill-wise, etc. So I just delete that char
and start over.

Sasha, what you say may be all well & good & correct, you sound like a
knowledgable & successful businessman. But I'm not, and I really just
want to play a fun game. I don't want (and I daresay most ppl don't
want) to spend most of my time in game wheeling & dealing & searching &
studying market trends, etc. For me, I might as well go take an
economics course for fun.

The game is now most certainly geared toward high-level players. High
level players are without doubt PWI's main player base, and that is where
PWI is concentrating its efforts. This suggests to me that PWI knows it's
drawing near to the end of its shelf-life, as they really seem to be
uninterested in attracting/encouraging new players.

This is not a qq post--I understand that businesses have to do what
benefits their bottom-line. It's just the way it works. But when enough
of the current player-base moves on to other things, that'll be the end
I'm afraid.

_Synergy_ - Heavens Tear · October 2012

ponyduck wrote: »

I agree that, unfortunately, this is the case. For the past year or so, I've retired all
my high lvl chars, and just start new ones & go as far as I can without spending
any rl money on game. I usually get to about lvl 60 before I have to start
"working" too hard to get what I need gear/skill-wise, etc. So I just delete that char
and start over.

Sasha, what you say may be all well & good & correct, you sound like a
knowledgable & successful businessman. But I'm not, and I really just
want to play a fun game. I don't want (and I daresay most ppl don't
want) to spend most of my time in game wheeling & dealing & searching &
studying market trends, etc. For me, I might as well go take an
economics course for fun.

The game is now most certainly geared toward high-level players. High
level players are without doubt PWI's main player base, and that is where
PWI is concentrating its efforts. This suggests to me that PWI knows it's
drawing near to the end of its shelf-life, as they really seem to be
uninterested in attracting/encouraging new players.

This is not a qq post--I understand that businesses have to do what
benefits their bottom-line. It's just the way it works. But when enough
of the current player-base moves on to other things, that'll be the end
I'm afraid.

Agreed, I myself dont have much time on hand as I progress through my second last year in high school. Only a couple of months till I stop play PWI entirely and focus on studies.

But on topic: if you don't have time and patience, dont merch, I'm fed up of merching myself won't get you anywhere. You make 100m, you want more for that peice of gear and keeps going on. You get 5.0, you want 5.0+10 then you want Pangu, then you wanna refine gear to +10, then you wanna shard everything with DOT's....

You will be finished in trying to get those items but the game will go on. I'm basically done merching too much effort for little return, basically you make 5M/day every 100M you have all depends on customers. I got enough to buy 3 (10*) and I had 100 packs I opened them to waste cash and test luck but got nothing like expected.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · October 2012

Ignore the people that are saying that you have to spend real money. THe way people make money off packs is by selling them, not opening them. That is where you made the mistake. You may get a small amount of profit per pack, but you sell so many packs that you make plenty of money for your current needs.

For your gear, wait until level 95 and use the morai set. It is completely free and better than TT90 for most classes. Farm mats at your level is an easy way to get money as well. Continue doing your morai dailes and work you way up to the level 101 morai gear, it's actually very good. And one of the cheaper pve alternatives. By going this route you can focus your money on skills.

TempleSlave - Lost City · October 2012

Ignore the people that are OCD and play the game 24/7 and have a dozen catshops open 24/7.

This game is getting old... there are far less new people who need things and too many people that have been around selling for the past years who know what to take advantage of and when. And if you get into a price war with them, you'll most likely lose. If you can't afford to lose 10-100 million coin, the other seller who can will undercut your prices until you're too cheap and then buy you out and raise the prices. I used to be one of those bullies. It's too much effort.

If you're not willing to spend a significant portion of your day farming, or leaving cat shops running 24/7, your only real other option is to spend money. Lots of it. That's how this game has been modified by it's creators, to be a cash cow. And that is what it is.

Paulrogers - Harshlands · October 2012

TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »

Ignore the people that are OCD and play the game 24/7 and have a dozen catshops open 24/7.

This game is getting old... there are far less new people who need things and too many people that have been around selling for the past years who know what to take advantage of and when. And if you get into a price war with them, you'll most likely lose. If you can't afford to lose 10-100 million coin, the other seller who can will undercut your prices until you're too cheap and then buy you out and raise the prices. I used to be one of those bullies. It's too much effort.

If you're not willing to spend a significant portion of your day farming, or leaving cat shops running 24/7, your only real other option is to spend money. Lots of it. That's how this game has been modified by it's creators, to be a cash cow. And that is what it is.

Pretty much. If you aren't well established in the game now and aren't planning to spend a couple grand to catch up to players that are, your time and efforts will probably be much better spent in a different game.

gouraudpalm2 · October 2012

Nothing, economy is just broken

Jaabg - Sanctuary · October 2012

You are missing 3 things.

1) Friends

2) Helpful faction

3) Game knowledge

1) Friends - that does not mean people on your friend list. I mean people whom you trust (not with your account info), that are at similar lvl range, looking for similar gear. Doesn't matter what class they are. I farmed my tt90 gear with armour that was 20~30 lvls below my lvl. It requires friends, friends take time.

2) If you faction only has 2~10 people online at a time, might want to switch faction. An active faction of 20~40 people online at any time, will help you farm your gear.

3) At lvl 80x there are not many items you can grind on, opening packs shows relying on second hand knowledge.

Most packs are 98%~96% tokens. That means, if you buy 100 packs, only 1~4 might be something not tokens. You might be more lucky and get more good items, or might be as unlucky as my and get tokens.

100K is a lot of money, but you have to see what you can invest. If still having trouble, get to 89 by hook or crook and farm herbs. No matter what the price is, you will make decent money. Herbs that don't sell, see what pots they make, and sell those pots cheap.

Money doesn't grow on trees, money doesn't fall for those who don't look for it, money is not appreciated by those who want it.

I will reiterate, learn different instances about the game, there is money to be made. Could be you play on a very inactive sever, in that case can't help you. I play on sanctuary, and it's easy to make money there.

This game is both f2p and p2p. P2P = requires a modest investment, but saves time. F2P = requires an extensive investment in knowledge, time, patience to match the P2P standards.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · October 2012

If you guys are spending thousands of dollars on level 90 gear, then you're a bunch of morons and it's nobody's fault but your own that you're dumb enough to do so.

@OP

As long as you don't care that you aren't the number on TW/PK person in the game, you don't need a lot of coin to do what you want to do. You just need faction and friends to help you out. At BH level it will be easy enough to save coin for the morai gear, and it is all you will need to enjoy most of the content in the game. The people posting you need thousands of dollars are the same people who think that Rank 9 is necessary because they have to be the best. There will always be these people in any MMO, but it isn't necessary to be like them to have fun.

MageMERC - Harshlands · October 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@OP

As long as you don't care that you aren't the number one TW/PK person in the game, you don't need a lot of coin to do what you want to do. You just need faction and friends to help you out. At BH level it will be easy enough to save coin for the morai gear, and it is all you will need to enjoy most of the content in the game. The people posting you need thousands of dollars are the same people who think that Rank 9 is necessary because they have to be the best. There will always be these people in any MMO, but it isn't necessary to be like them to have fun.

Hey OP here's my point of view. Firstly consider wheat Venus says above. S/he doesnt make it clear that there is a MASSIVE difference in the REQUIREMENTS difference between pvp and pve. PVP needs OP gear; PVE doesnt.

As a 101 seeker I have +3 max of tt90 and mold gear (some totally unrefined/untouched). I was getting into BH with my 95 morai weapon (which is free and kicks a.ss) but I get in more easily now with the 101 version. Morai gear it awesome for seekers.

I found seeker that easiest of all my chars to level and farmed for hypers which I used only when offered free fc runs. I really enjoyed aoe grinding and also made money collecting herbs but for pve you shouldnt need to spend much. All my charms I have gotten so far through DQ event cards.

But as to your question. Certain 3* gear is awesome so dont think its inferior - just wait for ones with good adds.

To buy low/sell high unfortunately takes the effort of searching continuously through catshops and the AH. All it takes is some high levels personal situation to change and they might sell good gear cheap just to off load quickly. This is what its about - not taking avantage of someones error in selling, but waiting until something is being sold obviously cheap.

I got all my tt90 gear this way and every piece was under 2mill each. I also would watch the price of certain molds like for example Misty Forest Rings. Molds might be up for sale every day for 80k and one day you see one for 10k. Buy it and resell. Thats how you do it. To make money doing this you need to search gears/mold/books etc that are popular and get to know average prices.

Farming herbs and mats is also still profitable, but during 2 x you should make more grinding.

EDIT I recently made a level 24 psychic for farming hay. It took me a day to get it to that level and I will keep it at that level for the rhinodrakes. I didnt farm for long on it due to pure boredom but during 2 x you can easily farm 2mill/hr of hay. Hay it still a big seller because people seem to want just one more pet bag so they can have a mount and a pet. I sold 6mill worth and still have 300 left over. Make one yourself and be ready for the next 2x. To be ready, create and trade multiple genies to your farmer for dumping xp.

XEmpressX - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Hay, Concentrated Glue, Silk Thread and Rough Fur. These are the things you should be grinding on. Don't worry about DQ items anymore, these matts above sell for much more. People want to level their blacksmith/tailoring etc. Oh and Purified oil. Pretty much whatever matts you need to craft the 2* weapons/armour/ornaments needed to go to the next level of crafting. There is a goldmine out there just lying around, just need to find the one that you can sink your teeth into.
Don't be discouraged, report back your results of trying a few things.

AliceAdams - Lost City · October 2012

Definitely Hay. Start an alt (mystic or veno works best for this), get it to about level 22 and keep it there by feeding your exp into genies.

Grind on Rhinodrakes outside West Arch. Make sure to pick up ALL the drops, and npc everything but the Hay.

Hay sells for about 20-25k each. With 2x on, you can get about 30 hay in an hour. With it off, you should still be able to get 15-20.

At worst, you make 300k an hour, plus whatever drops (figure about 10-20k in drops). At best, you could make 500k. This is without 2x going.

Depending on the server you're on, someone could be set up to buy the rhino horns and dew of herbs that drop. So you'll wanna check that before dumping them at the NPC.

Another hay farming option is out by Silverpool, but you'll wanna be around level 25 or 26 I think. Antelope pups out there have a better chance to drop hay, and also have a very small chance to drop a mold. The zone is NOT pk protected, so you go white name out there regardless of level, but it's far enough away from the pk fest right outside silverpool that you should be safe.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary · October 2012

AliceAdams - Lost City wrote: »

Another hay farming option is out by Silverpool, but you'll wanna be around level 25 or 26 I think. Antelope pups out there have a better chance to drop hay, and also have a very small chance to drop a mold. The zone is NOT pk protected, so you go white name out there regardless of level, but it's far enough away from the pk fest right outside silverpool that you should be safe.

I never ever saw a mob drop a mold b:shocked

AliceAdams - Lost City · October 2012

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/1094

AAAAALLLLLLLLLL the way at the very bottom of the page. Like I said, SMALL chance, but there it is. You'd hafta kill a few thousand I think, but if you're farming for hay to make money, you'll probably kill that many eventually.

Mooooooooo - Lost City · October 2012

10M notes.

_UMadBro_ - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Mooooooooo - Lost City wrote: »

10M notes.

Mind if I continue your service on HT server, thinking about it except I can't go as far as +9 lol b:laugh.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary · October 2012

Im well aware that most mobs have "that chance" to drop a mold.

But since in 3 years and half I've never seen a single one, I assume those are just fakes.
Plus some molds (like the lv.20ish legendary armors), I've never seen around or someone wc'ing em or anything.

Has anyone ever seen this mold or made?
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13100
or this?(Drops from Quingzi)
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13107

I assume those drops are just fakes.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · October 2012

You don't open the packs to make money. You sell them for higher than what you paid that's generally around the same price as all the other merchants.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple · October 2012

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Im well aware that most mobs have "that chance" to drop a mold.

But since in 3 years and half I've never seen a single one, I assume those are just fakes.
Plus some molds (like the lv.20ish legendary armors), I've never seen around or someone wc'ing em or anything.

Has anyone ever seen this mold or made?
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13100
or this?(Drops from Quingzi)
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13107

I assume those drops are just fakes.

Nope it happens. I've seen this drop...
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13045
A friend of mine got that when we were questing a few years ago.

And I have these on my barb...
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13079
Got the drop while doing quests out in Sea of Reality.

mm2000 · October 2012

How sad, another high level that have no idea how to make coin without relying on BH or packs. Even more pathetic that he/she doesn't consider himself high level... 10 mil is pocket change for that level... I am using +8 gear at your level without cash shopping and have 4x as much coin as you need... This game is easy to make coin, and I barely even play this game much, and no, I have no 5APS sin or not even level 90 yet.

Vecilia - Raging Tide · October 2012

a profit can be made on just about anything. the items ive had success with recently margin wise are oht mats. if you check the auction house every couple hours you can pick up just about anything for a fraction of what you can sell it for.

desert statue thing: buy it for 1k fairly frequently and resell for 5k
leaf of unicorn: buy 1k sell for 5k
big golden/big lumino buy for anywhere under 2k per. break them up into 10's and resell at 500 each for 3k+ profit

ive only made probably 1.5m doing this so far, but ive only done it like 2 nights and the cost is low and the margins are pretty high. you can start with 1m and turn it into 2m very easily overnight if you sell for well below what other shops are selling for and just buy the mats dirt cheap on auction

ive made probably 30-40m in about a months worth of play time merchanting d orbs, although with little success recently because they seem to be in scarce supply at the moment
its as simple as buying them for as cheap as you can, 100-130k and selling them for about 30-40k more than you bought them for

also keep an eye on world chat for nice things people are selling for cheap. for example yesterday a guy on world chat was selling 2 badge of bravery for 300k each. the standard going price for those is 1m on my server. the market is very small so it will probably take a while to sell, but they will eventually sell for triple what i paid for them. i also pmed a guy selling a pair of brilliant plumes and stole them for 15m and resold in cat shop for 19m that same night, and i probably could have gotten more if i were patient. today i got 2 perfect citrines for 2m a piece and the average cost on auction is about 3.2m so im looking at about 1m profit on each of those too!

some items i would avoid altogether are tt mats because even when you think youve got a sure profit it can backfire. i recently picked up 30 minister stones for about 360k each and just the day before i sold a couple for 450k each and the average price on auction was 550k per. i get ahold of my 30 and ive barely sold any. i think i got 400k out of about 5 and maybe sold 3 off for a loss of 20k each. although with 2x drops ending, hope is not lost for that investment. but in the past ive seen huge stacks of tt mats like 20 of something for 60k, picked it up and for the life of me it just wont sell. goes for gold and green tt mats.

another thing you can do is just check catshops everywhere because now and then youll come across a gold mine. 3 or 4 days ago i came across a lv 3 tome for 5m, and sold it overnight on auction for 11.5!

my advice is to bite the bullet and buy 20 gold, sell it for about 30m and start from there. just check everything everywhere! sometimes youll find ridiculously good pieces of gear for dirt cheap, especially 3 star items. things like 4 socket helms with good mods and stoned for like 200k. just last week i found a 3 star arcane helm on auction for 200k, it had like +105 hp +5 vit and +76 physical resist, 3 sockets. i dropped i think 15 mirages on it to make it +4 (got lucky) and bit the bullet on 100 socket stones for for 800k, 4 flawless cits for 150k ea. i took a 200k helm and put about 1.5m into it and now its giving me like 120 more hp than my +5 2 soc warsoul was. that helm is a work of art now and i could probably milk it for 5m

buying gear making it better and selling it isnt exactly the best way to go about things, but think about what just happened there. i (in my opinion) improved my gear setup, sold my warsoul freeing up 23m, and now the next time i upgrade gear ill turn a profit on that gear. essentially upgrading my gear for a profit (long term)

im no pro merchant by any stretch of the imagination, but im turning profits and gaining net wealth daily through buying up anything i see for cheap and reselling it for a profit. d orbs was my gateway i cash shopped 20$ to get the foundation i needed and it worked out. if you dont have as much cash to work with start out on something smaller (i highly recommend oht mats since theyre dirt cheap on auction and like i said the margins are great)

ive cs'd about for about 60m coins in my life on pwi, and im sitting on probably just shy of 150m net worth. highest lv chair is a 98 cleric and my total active time on my current server is probably 4 months or so

Ahira - Lost City · October 2012

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Im well aware that most mobs have "that chance" to drop a mold.

But since in 3 years and half I've never seen a single one, I assume those are just fakes.
Plus some molds (like the lv.20ish legendary armors), I've never seen around or someone wc'ing em or anything.

Has anyone ever seen this mold or made?
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13100
or this?(Drops from Quingzi)
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13107

I assume those drops are just fakes.

I dont remember seeing the 2nd one but there was definitely a mage on LC that I saw using that first mold helm a couple of years ago.

To the OP yes it can be difficult if you dont have a huge amount of capital to start with. If you want to get into buy/selling have another look at tokens of luck. You dont need alot of money to start with and because there's usually a large number of shops and token prices are low buyers/sellers probably wont check each shop for best prices. Because of this you can avoid trying to compete with the bigger shops while still getting profits and slowing growing your money.

TrueDMG - Sanctuary · October 2012

For pll that arnt into merching and stuff there also other options to have fun. Slower for sure but also fun for sure. I still have a little gamma char army cause i liked that lvl range most.

Most important and the biggest problem in Perfectaltworld get a fixed squad off friends with the same problem.
Farm your gear in TT togehter lvl by doing Gamma (try to stay abit at 85 feed genies and your wallet so you can get decent TT90/R6 set with shards at 90) and Delta.
This way you acctually play the game and get lvl and gear + coin slowly.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary · October 2012

mm2000 wrote: »

How sad, another high level that have no idea how to make coin without relying on BH or packs. Even more pathetic that he/she doesn't consider himself high level... 10 mil is pocket change for that level... I am using +8 gear at your level without cash shopping and have 4x as much coin as you need... This game is easy to make coin, and I barely even play this game much, and no, I have no 5APS sin or not even level 90 yet.

Bring some examples?

Jaabg - Sanctuary · October 2012

mm2000 wrote: »

at your level without cash shopping and have 4x as much coin as you need...

You have 60 billion coins b:shocked, share your secrets O rich one. I will create gardens of dates for you.

Suizahn - Sanctuary · October 2012

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Im well aware that most mobs have "that chance" to drop a mold.

But since in 3 years and half I've never seen a single one, I assume those are just fakes.
Plus some molds (like the lv.20ish legendary armors), I've never seen around or someone wc'ing em or anything.

Has anyone ever seen this mold or made?
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13100
or this?(Drops from Quingzi)
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13107

I assume those drops are just fakes.

What I've never seen and woud really like to have (for my barb) is This

Have you ever seen one of those?

15k boneyard defectors would have to die on average for that mold to drop (which doesnt seem like an unrealistic number, because of the many lvl 60-80 people that used to exist some years ago)

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Suizahn - Sanctuary wrote: »

What I've never seen and woud really like to have (for my barb) is This

Have you ever seen one of those?

15k boneyard defectors would have to die on average for that mold to drop (which doesnt seem like an unrealistic number, because of the many lvl 60-80 people that used to exist some years ago)

its actually much rarer than that

while the drop rate is 0.0013%, that rate is on the "addittional drops" table, which only had a possibility of dropping of 0.6596% which i think works out to .00000857% chance or a little less that 1 in 10,000,000 (in b4 olbaze) but in essence impossible.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary · October 2012

1 on 10.000.000
More or less the same chance to get 2 scroll of tomes in 2 packs b:shocked

OIdpop - Heavens Tear · October 2012

Alot of things rings and other ornaments,armors to make with my crafting skillz.Im not going to state what kinds of stuff that sell very very very well for low lvl gear and find molds at crazy cheap prices too heh.

What exactly do you buy low of to sell high? ...

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