My tt 100 fists

Lucifer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

<---never plan on getting g16

You're going to end up spending like 300m coins on a TT100+10 with shards in it.
You can turn a deicide into G16 for around that price.

Lucifer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

<---never plan on getting g16

Have fun with your lower dmg output than

Lucifer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

soooo i just bout the SD and cost me about 120-125mil to make, i already have +10 Lunar calws and plan on using it for the proc. My question is, did i make a mistake by not getting Lunar Nirvana Claws? I figured the extra +100 min-max attack (not sure) with +10 Lunar claws compared to SD at +10 wasnt that much of a diff compared to its +142 phys attack add with +4%crit (i do not plan on going beyond +10, so anything above isnt a factor). I also Figured the auto 2 soc with putting 2 garnet gems in it would be worth it, since lunar nirvana is most likely 1 soc. I plan on possibly nirvana it if/when i FARM the raps. My question is, was it a good investment or no?

If you have NOT equipped them, sell them now.

Use the Deicides till you farm enough raps/mats/coin for tome for G16s.

You WILL be going G16. This isn't a command, or anything like that. You will eventually go G16, it's too easy to do and too powerful to pass up. Stating you won't go G16 is like stating you will only go 3.33 sparked.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You forgot to include the price of a PanGu tome to ensure he reaches the same 5 aps he'll get by default with TT100 (unless he feels lucky enough to roll 2x 0.5 int on the G16 claws).

You forgot to read the part about G16 4.0 out DDing G13 5.0.

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

A G16 4.0 > G13 5.0 btw. You have nothing to lose by going G16 really, other than an extra 300M investment in raps / re-rolling.

Hex, You could also do the math yourself, or check the 3? other threads on that out there.

As said in another thread Hex (wow dude...two bomb posts in a short time), you're not a smart guy.

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Did I look like I was the person asking the question? I was giving a short answer to a simple question asked by the poster. What crawled up your *** and died? I don't even keep a calculator at my side while I'm browsing the forums at school, let alone have the patience to do math that was already done in another thread and re-post it. I value my time too much to do math by hand, and don't browse every thread for the simple fact I don't have that much time to waste.

Dan you misinterpreted and I wrote crappy, I was just quoting you as being accurate - lol. Ill clarify. Sorry man.

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sorry about that, I am only half paying attention. =/

I think lots of us are having bad days lol. Best is to just laugh at it heh.

Why would someone not get G16 its one of the easiest sets of endgame gear to farm lol

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You forgot to read the part about G16 4.0 out DDing G13 5.0.



Hex, You could also do the math yourself, or check the 3? other threads on that out there.

As said in another thread Hex (wow dude...two bomb posts in a short time), you're not a smart guy.

5 aps is about more than just raw damage. It's about being true perma sparked. BM's chi gain sucks and being 5 aps means you're able to get off HF >cloud erupt> demon spark that much easier when doing Nirvana. And when you're soloing harder instances such as T-T 3-x, you depend on perma spark just as much for timing spark immunity & purify as for raw damage. Sins can get away with 4 aps easier because of their chi gaining skills.

So again... any BM/Barb upgrading from diecides or G13claws/fists to G15 or G16 will... if they don't have one already... automatically factor in the prices of getting the 0.5 tomb... either now or later.

But then, you already know that...

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you have NOT equipped them, sell them now.

Use the Deicides till you farm enough raps/mats/coin for tome for G16s.

You WILL be going G16. This isn't a command, or anything like that. You will eventually go G16, it's too easy to do and too powerful to pass up. Stating you won't go G16 is like stating you will only go 3.33 sparked.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

/ is formally utilized to replace the word and, but commonly to show similar or same importance to specific nouns or ideas. I'd say look it up, but you've proven you're bad at educating yourself.

Tome is important...but not necessary, which is why I did not use the word "And". You said to include the tome in the pricing - and that is wrong, which is what I was pointing at.

I'll admit I'm not the best writer or typist, but at least I can think logically.

I think you're just stupid at this point with your recent two replies and overall loose interpretation of other people's writings and meanings. You don't seem to want to research, or base your replies with quality logic or evidence. I see a bright future in politics or in quality media outlets like Fox News for you.

Just FYI for the not-so-stupid people, I did Nirvana just fine before I got new boots and belt at 4.0 with G16s, no chi issues at all. Ran the same, almost exact chi efficient way as before/current, just 1 swing less damage. It's easier at 5aps, but by far not necessary like Hexasmahrt will lead you to believe.

HaHaHa !! WTF !! b:laugh

I just CALLED YOU OUT on advising the guy to "Use the Deicides till you farm enough raps/mats/coin for tome for G16s". Yet you're suddenly now telling me (after you TOLD the guy to STICK with diecides until he farms the tome) that it's "by far not necessary" ???

Well dude... technically it's not necessary to go beyond G13s either... if you want to play the semantics game.

Look... swing it anyway you want. If you're starting with Diecides, 3.33 base and you're looking to upgrade your weapon which will likely drop your base down to 2.86 aps... you're gonna be budgeting for a Pangu/Love Up & Down along with the raps needed to second/third cast... that's just the way it is. You either do it now... or do it later. And in not so many words...YOU BASICALLY SAID THAT YOURSELF.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Use the Deicides till you farm enough raps/mats/coin for tome for G16s.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*snip*

Personally... I'm kind of shocked b:shocked that you don't see that is exactly what you did... while farming for the G16, include the cost of the tome:

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Use the Deicides till you farm enough raps/mats/coin for tome for G16s.

As to perma spark... eh... I already explained that there is a difference between 4 aps and 5 when it comes to things like timing HF, spark purify/immunity, etc. As a BM, when you get stunned/sealed by bosses...you're far better off being at 5 aps for reasons that should be obvious.

But whatever.

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

120~125m was spent, you will spend another 230 raps, at 1.3m, that is 300m. That comes out to 420~425m to make it G15.

TT route = 5~10m for tt99, 250 raps = 325m, total = 330~335m

Lunar route = 30~40m for lunar weapon, 250 raps = 325m, total = 355~365m

Money saved from the tt route = 85~95m

Money saved from the Lunar route = 55~70m

How is 30 best lucks, 4 souledges, and 58 subs= ~125m? I know 120-125 was what the OP said but that was his expenses, not the actual value of everything. He could have just sold the 30 best lucks and 58 subs for 150m and 7m. A relic instead of the the 4 tt99 souledges will cost another couple mil. Lets call the value 160m, so tack on 35-40 mil saved. (Or consider Deicides to G15 1.3 mill "because I already had 249 raps and didn't need to buy them")

And a tome is an expense whether you go SD or G16, because ultimately you'll want one. Arguing over when you get one isn't important. Eventually you'll want to upgrade either your weapon or other armor pieces and will need a tome so may as well buy one sooner than later with the 120m you saved not buying SDs.

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't even keep a calculator at my side while I'm browsing the forums at school, let alone have the patience to do math

You're Asian. Check your pocket, you probably have a calculator. If not, do it in your head then play with a rubix cube. *winks and flashes peace sign "arigato gozaimasu"*

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

How is 30 best lucks, 4 souledges, and 58 subs= ~125m?

I just took OP's estimate b:surrender. Either s/he got lucky and found someone selling in a shop from a tt drop, or dropped in a tt run s/he was in. If neither is the case, let's add 35m more b:victory.

Hexalot: Soloing 3-1 on a bm, all bosses = large hp pool (8k = possible, but 10k~18k makes it easier), can be done at either 4 aps or 5 aps. 5 aps is naturally easier, but if the 4 aps, out dd's the 5 aps considerably, than a person can experiment. 3-2, 3-3 = much harder to solo on a bm, if a person has those refines, they can do tm 69 most likely as well.

Nirvana = not always the case of spark and hf. There are a few sins i run with, if those three sins are present, i only hf, other bm gs, veno amps, boss is dead in 2~4 seconds. If i waste time sparking, i will never have chi on that run. Even on slower runs, if the dd is good, hf+gs+sub sea + amp is all your need, no need to spark.

Pan gu tome = farmer dream, if someone wants to pay for it, sure include it in the cost. But that tome can be farmed, just requires 1~4 months of delta. Most of us have been playing for 1 year or more, 1~4 months of spending 2~3 hours in one instance is not a big issue. If you have 1~5 friends willing to help, that cuts down the farming time even more.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Edit...

As an aside I just want to throw out an apology to Maelael for being a bit of a **** to him over on the general forums.

I had the night to think it over and realized I kind of jumped the gun on your motives in that thread over there. And obviously the negativity spilled over to here, much to my regret. Hopefully no hard feelings.

(I went wordy...lol)

It's fine, when you opened with calling me a name I figured the gloves were off and I'm a passionate guy so I tend to just let myself go. If things are cool, I apologize as well and will lay off the flaming.

If anything, if your current viewpoints are still the same on server economies - I sincerely advise you to rethink your views and strategies on such. You will benefit from understanding and playing the market well, and your friends will too if you're a generous guy.

I literally gave away 3rd Stage AA Bracers, 2nd Stage AA Pants, and about 100m in other assorted ****, and still came out with 200m in farmed items for coin. I think I maybe farmed ~20-25ish hours a week on average too for a total of 450m. I prolly would have made more had I not done mixed nirvvys and mixed TTs with friends and stuck to my 2-3 person buddy squads.

I lost my original spreadsheet when my old compy seppuku'ed, but I'd estimate I made about 650m from active merching after my Barb was finished (about 45 days before anni through now Ive prolly made around 3b). It's all about the pack sales and going for realistic profit as opposed to forced rear entry profit. The more you turn over the more you make.

I spent a lot of time re-learning my Barb (gear and demon skills make a total difference) and merching. In relation to the Anni event, you don't make this kinda money from the anni event, let alone at your leisure. It's also not adding coin to the economy from nowhere, it's just providing a service or working hard at farming.

In terms of this thread, people have many options in terms of going for G16. I had the tome already, and had to get LA Boots and Belt because I had HA Arms and Chest. Some people only need the Raps to make the G16. Etc. What I originally said was what people optionally can go for.

Tome is optimal, but optional. At G13, you get better defenses and damage because of 2 slots that free up. At G16, you get an extra swing a second.

By far, from my experiments in Nirvvy myself while I was working on the LA stuff, and with a friend who went G16 claws and did not have his tome yet - G16s at 4.0 were more efficient than G13s at 5.0. Even lesser refined. Both of us noticed a huge difference in the time the bosses died, and a huge uptake in BP heals (Although I miss my almost 14k HP unbuffed and extra pdef and mdef).

By far - in numbers, direct experience, shared experience, and testimony: 4.0 G16 is extremely superior to anything G13. If you're super concerned on chi, just get Chi Siphon over Cloud Eruption, or both. You can be comfortable at 4.0, just play it well/right.

In another thread I discussed price differences between SDs and tradeable G13s when eventually going G16. The damage on Nirvana G13s is noticeable in terms of boss death timing, but its not needed Id say. Theres also that issue like how people go bonkers over +10 and Demon HF...yet don't get Fist Mastery.

BUT if you really wanna be efficient as possible with your money, you should just use 5.0 decent refined Deicides (+6 - +8 seriously is fine), get your raps for your G16s (and mold and badges ofc), and then go to town for a tome. Can wait on Demon HF, but don't skip having Fist Mastery.

Currently the best/efficient/cheap setup in my opinion is:

Pre G16:
-.1 Fists/Claws (Tradeable Deicide or G13 Nirvvy)
TT99 LA Arms and Boots
TT99 HA belt and Chest
2nd Stage Nirvana Pants
Interval Robe

(5% Neck, 2nd stage nirvvy hat that match pants, LGIO/CoA/R9/R8 Rings, blah blah blah)

Post G16 with -int:
Just add tome when you can afford it.

We can get into the realm of other setups ofc, but R8r and etc gets silly in terms of pricing. We all know LA ornies are ****, and a 5% neck is extremely good.

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Checked pocket; found fortune cookie. Fortune cookie says to watch more anime and eat noodles.

Did it specify which anime?