Base Drop Rates Discussion

TheDan - Sanctuary
TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
edited October 2012 in General Discussion
Dan I think you misunderstand how x2 works.

It increases the amount of drops total by a multiplied value of 2 not the % of the item dropping. It's double drops not double drop RATE.

@ KawaiiJen

I'm aware how it works; I've been around for every 2x for the past 4 years, and have experienced terrible base rates since the introduction of the G16 expansion/World boss change. I guess I wasn't very clear as I made a pretty half-assed, half troll, half legit post because my "luck" on this game makes me angry sometimes.

My discontent was with the base drop rates of drops in TT/Lunar, not the rates after doubled drops. I'm usually the first to point out that the rates aren't changed with 2x drops, and that my experience with the terrible rates for almost half a year were just due to random probability, but somewhere down the line I am starting to question whether or not rates were altered.

Of course I don't have any objective evidence of this phenomenon, it's just what I believe to have experienced, I was wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same thing, or if I'm just naive and just experiencing terrible random probability as an outlier for the past half year or so.
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  • Homsefaen - Raging Tide
    Homsefaen - Raging Tide Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    thedan u r not the only 1 that notice slimer rates, or should i say some % is changed. im a farmer myself. i do 3-x's. i notice much less gold this 2x than earlier 2x's. 3-1 is alot worse fore exemple, mother aura its good exemple ijs. remember i got 11 christmas season... 2 this eventD: ill. stone - gbf - etc... i know friends that have same issius. im afraid this can kill the game over timeb:shocked
  • BerserkBeast - Sanctuary
    BerserkBeast - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    TT its pretty much dead and lowering the drop rate only make it less popular for non heavy farmers. Free to play players getting harder and harder life.
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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I did a bunch of lunars and droprate of tinders seems the same.
    But droprate of the other rare gold molds seems to be lower than it used to be.......
    Hardly got any of those.
  • FayHumming - Dreamweaver
    FayHumming - Dreamweaver Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    b:chuckle finally people start notice drop rate suck this year. MOD close my post about caster nirv drop rate decrease this year
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Someone in my guild who has no-life soloed 3-3 this 2x has around 500 gold mats. The drop rate is fine. You just value your time more as you age.
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  • _Synergy_ - Heavens Tear
    _Synergy_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Someone in my guild who has no-life soloed 3-3 this 2x has around 500 gold mats. The drop rate is fine. You just value your time more as you age.

    The person might as well be on crack lol. WTF 500 gold mats? No family? No responsibility? No nothing? Wait a minute..people play games to escape rl anyways...
  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Someone in my guild who has no-life soloed 3-3 this 2x has around 500 gold mats. The drop rate is fine. You just value your time more as you age.

    How was this person able to withstand the monotony of doing the same instance? I get sick after 2 runs easily. b:spit
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  • HarleyDaviso - Raging Tide
    HarleyDaviso - Raging Tide Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    @ KawaiiJen

    ...I guess I wasn't very clear as I made a pretty half-assed, half troll, half legit post ..

    lol I know I'ma get trolled for this, but I think its funny even you admit it was a 'half-assed', 'half-trolled' response to someone else's question - I still find it funny how they responded to your 'half's' and closed the post instead of admitting they know nothing to the original poster lol - sorry I know I'm bad - let it rest whatever - funny as heck though funny funny stuff!
  • M_ - Dreamweaver
    M_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    @ KawaiiJen

    I'm aware how it works; I've been around for every 2x for the past 4 years, and have experienced terrible base rates since the introduction of the G16 expansion/World boss change. I guess I wasn't very clear as I made a pretty half-assed, half troll, half legit post because my "luck" on this game makes me angry sometimes.

    My discontent was with the base drop rates of drops in TT/Lunar, not the rates after doubled drops. I'm usually the first to point out that the rates aren't changed with 2x drops, and that my experience with the terrible rates for almost half a year were just due to random probability, but somewhere down the line I am starting to question whether or not rates were altered.

    Of course I don't have any objective evidence of this phenomenon, it's just what I believe to have experienced, I was wondering if anyone else has been experiencing the same thing, or if I'm just naive and just experiencing terrible random probability as an outlier for the past half year or so.


    totaly agree with everything said....im also here for long time and noticed drop rate being decreased....i mentioned it few times on forum already and kawai would come with same post....i can understand if they nerfed it due to low population this days compared to few years ago....those time really a lot people needed gold tt mats...and we know how things are this days.....anyway i can not say im unhappy i made over 1.5b coins in 3-3 mats inclueding 2 red (heart of nature and twilight scepter)....but still with amount of fail runs i had i still believe drop rate was nerfed
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I don't think there is an issue with drop rate. There have been tt runs i did where 1 gold dropped every tt run, for 6~8 runs in 3-1. Other times, 3 hours and no gold.

    I noticed this while dq farming, since i spend lots of time farming that. Label me crazy, but it seems to hold true. I use 30 minute intervals for BP, so 28 minutes to be safe.

    There are patches where in 28 minutes i will get 100~130 dq drops.

    There are patches where in 28 minutes i will get 30~50 drops in dq.

    On average i get 60 in dq drops.

    Last time we had 2x this long, my average was 75 ish. I have no way of comparing my averages, so i will not say that drops are reduced.

    When i have sessions where the drop rates are really bad, around the 30 mark, that is when the demonol books drop. I have farmed 5~8 over the year, haven't checked what i got, i just put them in storage on alt. I have never had the book drop during times when i am farming when the drop rate are around 70+ drop mark.

    I have farmed about 600k dq points, that is roughly 17k dq drops accumulated. I do not have the foresight to save the drops for 2x dq points, that was a late introduction for me b:chuckle, very helpful yes, but late in my dq points scheme.

    The above is what i have observed. It may be an expression of how random things work.

    The same seems to apply for all other instances to me, so if you are doing tt during the time that a bad patch is running, it will appear drops are bad. If you are running it during the times that drops are good, people will assume that is normal, because it is 2x. When people compare normal and bad, average is "not good". I don't farm tt intensively, but since the runs are 10~60 minutes long, people might experience both the good and bad patch. They might have the good patch while they are moving around, killing mobs. But when they reach the boss, the bad patch starts. That might be why people have the sentiment that tt drops are bad.

    Are there more bad patches than good patches from before? No idea. Can the drop rate be nerfed for the us game only? doubt it. Similar action will have to happen on the chinese version, if not, we are being lied to and people understand this game to be able to reduce drop on some bosses but not others.
  • trufflles
    trufflles Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    the drop rates are fine...it depends purely on luck.

    i did 3-3, 3-2 (i know 3-1 is lousy at gold) and sometimes it was like at least 1 gold/run....and sometimes none in several runs

    in lunar it was awefull .... either 2 tinder once in a while or none at all

    i usually just do 2-3 runs if i don't get the desired drop rate....i just leave and return later.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I think the drop rates are too high... need to be lowered... probably even halved... but more likely quartered.
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  • scarfaceclaw
    scarfaceclaw Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    When it comes to random, sometimes ur gona be unlucky.

    No conspiracy here.
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  • I_willscrewU - Sanctuary
    I_willscrewU - Sanctuary Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Oh well, everyone is free to believe in whatever they want - I will just add that, for every 100 canies I would get 30 raptures back in the Day..

    Lately it has become 30 rapture for every 300 cany - So not a product of our imagination.     b:bye sadly ..

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