Stealth vs Detection

aluvitar wrote: »

I might be wrong here as I am not a master of archers but, isn't their stealth timed at least? I wouldn't mind stealth if it had say a 30 second duration with a 2 minute lockout like the revealation potions have.

Ataraxia Level 1
Mana 121
Channel 0.8 seconds
Cast 0.6 seconds
Cooldown 120.0 seconds
Weapon Ranged

Requisite Cultivation Aware of Vacuity
Enter a stealth state by becoming one with nature. Increases
Stealth level by 31 points. Costs 50 Mana per second.
Movement speed reduced to 0.1 meters per second.
Blazing Arrow or Spark Burst will cancel the effect.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about...someone need 3rd cast to "hit as hard as sins" and you call that OP?

What exactly does it mean to "hit as hard as sins" anyway? Watch the Purple_Eyes vs Bait video where jade sins hit somewhere between 1k - 2k on each other no crit.

In every instance, endgame archer proves to be the weakest class, because everyone gets so much hp and defense fully equipped with buffs and archers mostly have auto attacks to kill people with. Fight a x3 buffed wiz as archer and you find you're only trying to live until Purge procs, during which they can try to kill you at anytime because archer mdef is never actually that good with 1 mdef buff available.

I don't know what is "insane" pdef and mdef in your eyes...Archers still have the worst defenses lol....probably 14k pdef and 10k mdef fully buffed with a +12 Cube pdef neck, use other orns as you like, but it's never going to match up to a heavy or even caster.

On the other hand a 3rd cast wizard can be 10k pdef self buffed with a +12 pdef neck, and you think 3rd cast archers have "insane" pdef and mdef.

Ever seen what 3rd cast R9 is like for casters? 20k+ hp fully buffed, 23k pattack and purify. Purify weapons haha what a joke. I can probably play with a foot and not die.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Just with neck, r9 belt, and no shards? Probably Demon Stone Barrier. I neglected to include the Demon version so Burnout doesn't have excuses

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

I never understood why everyone includes the self buff as if it was part of our innate armor. It's a skill that serves as one of our survival abilities - and only one caster in the game actually gets this buff - wizards. Mystics get an inferior version of this buff (by as much as 60% less), while clerics, psychics, and venomancers in caster form have to deal with base phy. def.

Arcane armor is absolutely the worst armor in the game, and the only reason people think otherwise is they look at wizards who get an (admittedly a very amazing) 120% self p. def buff. But no other arcane class actually gets this much bonus save for venos in fox form (who aren't really casters in that form anyway...they become purgers/debuffers).

Give archers this same 120% p. def self buff, and light armor doesn't look so bad anymore. Again, it's the skill of a single class out of 5 caster classes that you're talking about.

The other fact is that this buff is not reliable - in TW it is easily purged off, and archers get a default purge on their weapon as well that- when it works - makes casters deal with 6k+ crits (or if we're talking 3 rd cast, 10k+ crits) every .8-1.2 secs.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

SERIOUSLY? Sins have been written out of the equation entirely.

There is a R9 3rd cast 104 +12 sage archer on our server, who does as much damage as R9 sins, from 30+ m away, and who can purge all your buffs and triple spark twice in a row (wait till after expansion, when awaken is usable once per fight). After expansion, she also gets a ranged 5 second stun on a 15 s cooldown that costs no chi. Compare that to sin's headhunt that also lasts 5 secs, but costs 2 sparks, has 30s cooldown, and 4.5 m range as well as a crippling cast time.

Every 30 seconds she gets what is basically a free AD + 15 seconds of CC immunity and -30% damage taken, and every 2 minutes she gets a free shadow escape. Combine this with hp approaching 30k, and insane p. def/m. def, and you basically get a sin on steroids with 30+m range. GL taking less than 30 seconds to kill her, even with multiple R9's.









PS: All this can also be yours for only $20000.

truekossy wrote: »

It's already been proven even without wiz specific defense that light armor is statistically the WORST armor type in the game. I don't have the time to search around for the math but just check around the archer section. Hell, ther's already been a thread that showed an Arcane archer with better defense than one in equivalent LA though it cut into damage.

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

At least be happy sins don't get a nasty bonus damage dealt while attacking from stealth, like how it is in another pwe game with stealth enabled chars. >.>;;

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

I never understood why everyone includes the self buff as if it was part of our innate armor. It's a skill that serves as one of our survival abilities - and only one caster in the game actually gets this buff - wizards.

Mystics get an inferior version of this buff (by as much as 60% less), while clerics, psychics, and venomancers in caster form have to deal with base phy. def.

Arcane armor is absolutely the worst armor in the game, and the only reason people think otherwise is they look at wizards who get an (admittedly a very amazing) 120% self p. def buff. But no other arcane class actually gets this much bonus save for venos in fox form (who aren't really casters in that form anyway...they become purgers/debuffers).

Our magic also gives us a pretty significant amount of m. def. Around 4k? I think it's somewhat fair considering archers get crit and evasion on their primary damage stat, while casters get some m. def (which isn't really what casters are worried about anyway). Archers also get an extra 3 defense levels on their armor over casters, which protects against both phy and magic, in return for not getting a +300 res add on their armor.

Give archers this same 120% p. def self buff, and light armor doesn't look so bad anymore. Again, it's the skill of a single class and the m. res that 450 pts in magic gives out of 5 caster classes that you're talking about.

The other fact is that this buff is not reliable - in TW it is easily purged off, and archers get a default purge on their weapon as well that- when it works - makes casters deal with 6k+ crits (or if we're talking 3 rd cast, 10k+ crits) every .8-1.2 secs.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

What are you talking about? When a regular caster crit works it hits 8k+ too, or 16k+ if 3rd cast, and that happens more often than Purge. God forbid an archer finally doesn't have to deal with triple pdef buffs and gets to kill an armor class they're supposed to kill. If archers can't purge and kill casters, then what else do they kill? Heavies?

Are we here to compare pdefs? Because wizards use physical damage or something? You should compare pdef that casters can get versus mdef that physical classes can get, and then talk about who is better defended or whatever. All in all, the point is that 3rd cast archer is not any more OP than 3rd cast casters...