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_Shakez_ - Lost City wrote: »

Hmm well tbh, the main reason i want the fist is because these days people usually treat you as an outcast if your a BM with no fist and i want to be able to go nv at high lvls but i dont think they would take a axe BM much even if im going with the faction but other than that i would love to add as much VIT to my BM since i love vit but sadly i just have feeling if i dont go all path my faith will be similar to that of many vit barbs ive seen and i have been in that position on other games before an it suckb:cry but if there's other things i can do beside nv to get some money and gear im all ears to hear thank....for both pvp and pve btw.

Well using the PW Calc link below. A level 100 BM given 34 vit will still have sufficient stat points left over to allocate in the required stats to be able to do everything.

http://www.pwcalc.com/8af65bf353397b77

But if you feel that you still wish to restat it, then save up some money and buy some gold from the AH and buy the restat you want during a restat sale. Black Friday which is coming up in the near future may have it.

Instead of a restat...just make a new BM. They've made it far too easy to lvl if you know how.

Do quests til lvl10...open supply stash for lvl11...visit Lucid NPC for lvl5 and 10 silver chest and hope for fruit. If you get fruit on both you'll hit lvl15 for another silver chest...if not do more quests til 15. Wash rinse repeat until after lvl25. After doin quite a few quest visit the Questmaster for more fast xp.

Send coin from your old BM to the new via account stash.

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Instead of a restat...just make a new BM. They've made it far too easy to lvl if you know how.

Do quests til lvl10...open supply stash for lvl11...visit Lucid NPC for lvl5 and 10 silver chest and hope for fruit. If you get fruit on both you'll hit lvl15 for another silver chest...if not do more quests til 15. Wash rinse repeat until after lvl25. After doin quite a few quest visit the Questmaster for more fast xp.

Send coin from your old BM to the new via account stash.

We've actually discussed the restatting a lot in the BM forums.

The vit *is* fine, but eventually you will want to reset it. However, since you are only level 54 - Mr_Punkster hit the nail on the head completely. It's pretty easy and quick to level a BM to 54 again. You also get to erase any mistakes you made with buying up a skill you don't use, etc.

Really, if you want to make leveling easy till about level 85, you can do some vit and just do axes with some vit till about 85 (or 90). 85 is when you can get Gorenox Vanity Fists and when Fists truly super-outshine everything else in single target. You can just restat out 50 vit (so max at 53 vit) then for pretty cheap.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But again, is giving vitality on a BM that bad? b:surrender

BM Forums goes over this well too.

No not really. But it becomes not-as-optimal later on, given the high HP refine rate on 90+ gear. At that point you can make it by on your gear's HP alone, and you're mostly concerned with harder hits with fists to keep you alive due to Bloodpaint heals.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thanks for the information. I was saying it in a rhetorical way, by the way.

I never really was into a rush for power, rather survivability as I like to solo regular mobs (yeah, I can be seen a rather out of the mold player nowadays, as capping, r9 and other end-game items do not have any appeal to me).

To return to your post, your scenario involves the helping hand of an Assassin, it's rather handy to have one around when you need him/her. The other part is rather straightforward, as in the usual ways most people play the game now... r9 and -int when possible, high refining and sharding and buffs from other classes.

That said, I still believe that innate vitality does stack up still. Of course, if damage is all one aims for (sacrificing more defense at the same time -do I hear 'zerk'?-), unavoidable restating is one way to correct things up.

Naw I've got a buddy who was all mold armor and did fine statted without Vit. Same with a buddy who still has mostly TT80 Gold. If you play well, you're fine without the uber uber gear. It's only the "Pole" and "Sword" BMs I tend to laugh at.

Usually its pretty easy to find a sin to run Frost with, or someone to buff you outside. Most instances won't take much over 30 minutes (usually less) at endgame, so its not so bad.

It's really not a big deal. I was Vit/Axe till 85 because I was from back in the day before it was easy to stack interval. I will say however, the difference in efficiency with a good fist/axe build is kinda an amazing night and day change, I still remember the whoa.

_Shakez_ - Lost City wrote: »

Well to be honest im a HP *removed*at heart and i love being able to survive more then hitting a little harder but its just that i got end game on my mind and as i know it if you dont have fist people wont like you to much as a bm when it comes to NV so yh it sucks but after i gear up ima re-stat again to a more durable BM build..........if i dont fall in love with the fist that isb:surrender

Just take your time and experience the game your way. Nothing is worse than feeling forced to do things in a game, which initial goal is for people to have fun and waste many hours on that... (while companies expect you to spend a bit of money in the meantime). Too many videogame players seem to have forgotten the fun part after a while.

If after a good bunch of levels you decide to follow others... well, I presume you'd then be happy to restat.
But again, never forget you're not obligated to do it.

Now, if did you distributed 34 magic points on your character, that would be something completely different, as in being a huge mistake. b:laugh

_Shakez_ - Lost City wrote: »

Well to be honest im a HP *removed* at heart and i love being able to survive more then hitting a little harder but its just that i got end game on my mind and as i know it if you dont have fist people wont like you to much as a bm when it comes to NV so yh it sucks but after i gear up ima re-stat again to a more durable BM build..........if i dont fall in love with the fist that isb:surrender

I'm also a full blown HP (bleep). I love me my HP.

Back in the day, this was an important thing, because you did not have bloodpaint. Sure, fist BMs could take aggro on and off if they had high enough refines and kept the speed up (especially if they crit a lot), but due to the way evasion works they'd be a crumpled mess on the floor shortly thereafter.

Now, with the advent of BloodPaint - fist builds are extremely viable, especially with the ability to stack so much -interval. However, without BP, even with BB (Cleric heal/damage reduction for party if you haven't seen it much), the lower HP BMs end up charm ticking a lot or end up a crumpled mess on the floor like back in the day. Even at 15k hp with Barb buff on, I've done a few "Old school" runs in AEU and a few other places, it's not fun - charm tick city and a death every now and then. No barb either, so I had to tank. Otherwise I just would have held back a bit.

Final considerations is that fists put out the most single target damage, and axes the most multi target damage. You will want to utilize both. A mob that dies in half the time, is a mob that does half as much damage - not a much of a huge HP pool needed.

Also! Come by and search the BM forums. Read Saku and TheDan's Stickied guides. Lotta valueable info in there.