attribute help

soarfree · September 2012

Hi
I'm lvl 55 and I think I want to change my attributes around a little since I'm too squishy and dying too often. Right not my build is pretty much the typical LA build (at least I think it is). I have 8 Vit, 163 magic, 63 strength, and 59 dexterity. I was thinking of taking 30 points out of dexterity and putting it into strength and then using arcane and heavy armor(1-2 lvls below me). Does anyone know if putting those points into strength, since strength is supposed to also increase defense, would help enough to make the switch worthwhile? Thanks

I was thinking of switching to a blade master if I couldn't get it worked out but I think I'd miss my pet too much so I thought this might be worth trying.
oh, and I fight in fox form if that makes a difference. My bramble isn't cutting it and leech, though awesome, isn't dependable enough to keep my health up all the time.

Thanks for any opinions/advice

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2012

hum, i don't know how you do to die, if you keep aggro on your pet and you should be fine, if you go arcane armor don't put anymore point in strg, the end game arcane gears just requiste 54 strg.

Which pet you use and which weapon? Maybe you use a too low weapon or don't have a good pet.

soarfree · September 2012

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

hum, i don't know how you do to die, if you keep aggro on your pet and you should be fine, if you go arcane armor don't put anymore point in strg, the end game arcane gears just requiste 54 strg.

Which pet you use and which weapon? Maybe you use a too low weapon or don't have a good pet.

I'm okay fighting one monster but if that monster runs away into another monster or another monster walks in and starts attacking me, especially if I end up with three on me, I can't take the hits and quickly die. I'm in fox form next to my pet but the monsters that come up on us attack me and not my pet.

I'm using the highest weapon for my level (magic weapon). I have an antelope pup for magic monsters and glacial walker for everything else.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2012

soarfree wrote: »

I'm okay fighting one monster but if that monster runs away into another monster or another monster walks in and starts attacking me, especially if I end up with three on me, I can't take the hits and quickly die. I'm in fox form next to my pet but the monsters that come up on us attack me and not my pet.

I'm using the highest weapon for my level (magic weapon). I have an antelope pup for magic monsters and glacial walker for everything else.

When you attack a mob and a other one come on you make your pet attack the new one so your pet will have aggro on both. I made a new veno 2 days ago and i'm lvl 33 i use a shaodu cub (little white bear) and even when i have 3-4 mobs on me i'm ok cause i make my pet aggro them, but in questing mobs i stay in human form, i turn in fox for the increased magic resistance, but since you are LA you hit lower than a AA.

Like i said if a pet attack you make your pet get aggro.

soarfree · September 2012

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

When you attack a mob and a other one come on you make your pet attack the new one so your pet will have aggro on both. I made a new veno 2 days ago and i'm lvl 33 i use a shaodu cub (little white bear) and even when i have 3-4 mobs on me i'm ok cause i make my pet aggro them, but in questing mobs i stay in human form, i turn in fox for the increased magic resistance, but since you are LA you hit lower than a AA.

Like i said if a pet attack you make your pet get aggro.

Thanks for the tips

I'll definitely try getting more of the aggro on my pet that way.
Do you know if taking points out of dexterity and putting them into strength would help though? I really don't need the dexterity. Even as high as it is my evasion is never high enough to dodge attacks. I feel like the points in dexterity could be put to better use. If I could survive a bit longer I'd have more time to react and maybe run back and change to human form to shoot a bit and let my pet handle the aggro.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2012

soarfree wrote: »

Thanks for the tips I'll definitely try getting more of the aggro on my pet that way.
Do you know if taking points out of dexterity and putting them into strength would help though? I really don't need the dexterity. Even as high as it is my evasion is never high enough to dodge attacks. I feel like the points in dexterity could be put to better use. If I could survive a bit longer I'd have more time to react and maybe run back and change to human form to shoot a bit and let my pet handle the aggro.

The only reason people put points in dex is if they go LA or HA, if you go for AA put the points in magic not in strg, as i said you already have more strg then needed for end game AA gears.

Ivienn - Lost City · September 2012

If you want to go HA the most dex you'll need for gear is 54 I'm not sure. So yes you can take 30 our for now or save some coins and take out 10 and leave it until you reach 100 and when you need a bit more.

My advice though is if you will reset is to reset to arcane until you are 80/90/100th lvl because then it will be easier to maintain HA because of more different available gear and ornaments. It will also be more expensive since you'll have to restat twice but if you can afford it I would say go for it.

Anyway tips for requirements of points for end game:(lvl 100 gear)

HA:
Str: 252
Dex: 54
Magic: 285-300
Total needed: 519-606
Available(lvl 100): 495+ 5 starter points in all stats

AA:
Str:54
Dex: none
Magic: 285-300
Total needed: 341-355
Available(lvl 100): 495+ 5 starter points in all stats

So as you can see AA gives you extra 140+ points you can put in magic for pure magic build for best damage or magic/vitality build for some extra hp and defense on cost of attack.

Good luck with building your veno!

soarfree · September 2012

thanks for the stats. Those were interesting to look at. I don't think I'd want to reset to arcane. I have too much fun as a fox

Do you know if increasing my strength by about 30 points would help my defense? If not then it sounds like switching to using a HA AA mix would be too much trouble.

Raziyal - Archosaur · September 2012

soarfree wrote: »

thanks for the stats. Those were interesting to look at. I don't think I'd want to reset to arcane. I have too much fun as a fox Do you know if increasing my strength by about 30 points would help my defense? If not then it sounds like switching to using a HA AA mix would be too much trouble.

Hey Soarfree

Im guessing your planing on sticking with an LA veno (or maybe restating to a HA veno around lvl 90-95?)
Anyway str will help your defence but not alot.
If you wish to have a (insert bad word here) load of defence i would say restat to a HA veno. ( The armor (HA) gives a big boost in defence but is poor in the magical defence)
Only problem is, its real difficult build to get up due to your wearing HA armor that doesn't have any magic points meaning your going to need magic stat bonus' from helms and ornaments and possibly a 20+ magic tome since you won't be able to wear a wep of your lvl.

AA Venos have more magic defence, against magic mobs/classes but lower defence (much lower)

LA veno have a mix of magic defence (lower than the AA) and high physical Defence.

HA veno has HIGHER physical defence (more than LA and AA) but very little magic defence.

My opinion and sorry if other disagree. Would be to sick with LA untill your able to offord restating to an HA veno.
Since HA venos are more likely to stay in fox form and are mainly melee damagers (Usually)
But then your going to have to look into what stats and armor you need to ave a required weapon etc.

soarfree · September 2012

thanks for the info

I guess I'll keep my veno LA for now and just try to be more careful. It doesn't seem like the extra strength points will help much so I might as well keep my higher critical hit.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2012

soarfree wrote: »

thanks for the info I guess I'll keep my veno LA for now and just try to be more careful. It doesn't seem like the extra strength points will help much so I might as well keep my higher critical hit.

Just a question, do you plan to PvP and TW?

soarfree · September 2012

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Just a question, do you plan to PvP and TW?

No. I'll stay PVE. I just get bored standing back and shooting things and like to go in and fight, which makes me get hit more often. Nothing to do with PVP

I just noticed something from using Ivienn's stats. Maybe I have something wrong. I plugged the stats into the character builder and having only about 290 attribute points in magic instead of the 436 points (I'm estimating) of a pure arcane build causes no more than a 100 magic attack difference. That doesn't seem like a big loss at all in magic attack power. If the attack was 200% of magic base it would only be about a 200 attack power difference at level 100. That doesn't seem like a big sacrifice to wear LA or HA with higher defense.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2012

soarfree wrote: »

No. I'll stay PVE. I just get bored standing back and shooting things and like to go in and fight, which makes me get hit more often. Nothing to do with PVP

I just noticed something from using Ivienn's stats. Maybe I have something wrong. I plugged the stats into the character builder and having only about 290 attribute points in magic instead of the 436 points (I'm estimating) of a pure arcane build causes no more than a 100 magic attack difference. That doesn't seem like a big loss at all in magic attack power. If the attack was 200% of magic base it would only be about a 200 attack power difference at level 100. That doesn't seem like a big sacrifice to wear LA or HA with higher defense.

Actually many veno chosing La or HA build take it for more defense for PvP and TW, 290 and 436 points in magic make a big difference on the attack, but anyway it's your choice.

Ivienn - Lost City · September 2012

Hmm that sounds odd because I remember deciding not to go HA on my veno because attack was much lower.

Did you try that with same weapon applied or only when putting stats? It doesn't give very accurate stats if you don't put gear too.

I had to go play to see it now. I didn't use best possible ornaments, nor I put shards in gear, I just made something affordable that works. All gear is +5, weapon is the same. It's also unbuffed.

HA- http://pwcalc.com/1c912c7a4c2d185f

AA- http://pwcalc.com/df3c6ed568cac04e

As you can see there is big difference in attack.

soarfree · September 2012

oh wow. I thought that what the gear had in its description just added to the stats. I thought the 1614-1906 magic attack of the sword just added on to the stats from the affinity points. Thanks for pointing that out to me. What is the relationship between gear and the attribute points? Knowing that seems important in deciding how to build my character. Maybe I should change my veno back to arcane and create a separate character for when I fell like using physical attacks. I'll have to work out how the attack power of a veno fox and pet compare to a blade master to see if making a LA or HA veno is worth it. If there mostly used in PVP than its probably not.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2012

I made a example:

AA http://pwcalc.com/74497401c46ad55a Magic Atk. 9179-14271

LA http://pwcalc.com/0d323a22eef41e34 Magic Atk. 6997-10879

HA http://pwcalc.com/0d079462d63f65f9 Magic Atk. 2895-3326

On the HA i needed to remove the R8 weapon cause not enough points in magic to use it the highest magic weapon you can use with HA build is a TT70 weapon. If that can give you a idea of the power of the weapon:

TT60>TT70>TT80>TT90>TT99>R8

If you want to be HA you should almost go for a fist build, which mean you should put your magic points at the minimum (5 points).

Ivienn example is really not the best, cause it's not something realist. Get perfect stats on everything like she put is impossible.

Ivienn - Lost City · September 2012

Meh I didn't bother to change the stats, since calculator does it it self.

And if you use different ornaments, then ones you used, you can use best possible magic weapon. Especially since 3rd cast nv requires only 285 magic to use. But even if you don't want to spend so much effort to get such gear you can make up lots of stats with ornaments that give stats, like oht ones or some already available. Getting good oht ornaments can get really cheap because sometimes people under price things.
But then getting best possible from both worlds do costs a lot. Benefit is you can use both HA and AA sets of armor and all weapons.

As for relationship between gear and stats, you can find info on that from pwi wiki, but easier way is to use http://pwcalc.com/ to build your own character.

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