Is rep needed or over ratted?
_Charlex - Harshlands
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Right now im farming DQ and hay in order to raise money for reputation but tbh i really like the look of that nv gearb:dirty so i was thinking is getting Nirvana gear like this for example http://pwcalc.com/0463dbc46e32c085. if i were wearing this kinda of armor would i be useless,would i be extremely under powered in pvp even if i were skilled, would any faction want me, can i surive in pve or anything for that matter because it like these days its all about +10 rank gear or get out even though there so much other farmable gear that is still good......or is it o_0?
Sorry for so much questions just dont wanna have to go through the same experience from the last game i playedb:surrender
Sorry for so much questions just dont wanna have to go through the same experience from the last game i playedb:surrender
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hun, gear that u used on this pwcalc is way better thn r8. Yes, u're right rep is kinda.. useless these days since we have t3 nirvana now (in many cases better thn r9 and it's free). However r8 is quicker, easier and cheaper to get thats why ppl still aim for it. Its basically your own choice, however the gear u showed will take u ages to farm unless u buy some cannies and raps off other players as well. Ah and btw if ure planning on using tier 2 nirvana, might as well go tier 3 :P Its waaaay better and quite easy to get once u already make g15. All u'll need is to farm warsong.. ALOT XD (one of lvl 100 BH instances). But to answer your questions, yes G15 will give u alot of survivabilty in pve as well as pvp, especially with good refines and shards. HOWEVER the build you used is concentrated on pvp mainly, unless u want to become an amp bm, what I'm trying to say is that most of BMs these days go for 5 aps which gives them more dps, so u might consider TT99 boots, wrists and ornaments for -interval addons. Also one more thing if you want full g15, y not getting the helmet? its soo much better than warsoul :P Lots of good factions would love such BM, however remember that gear isn't everything :P Your playing style and SKILL is worth way more :P So NO FC PLEVELING!!!! XD Gl
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Nana_PL - Raging Tide wrote: »hun, gear that u used on this pwcalc is way better thn r8. Yes, u're right rep is kinda.. useless these days since we have t3 nirvana now (in many cases better thn r9 and it's free). However r8 is quicker, easier and cheaper to get thats why ppl still aim for it. Its basically your own choice, however the gear u showed will take u ages to farm unless u buy some cannies and raps off other players as well. Ah and btw if ure planning on using tier 2 nirvana, might as well go tier 3 :P Its waaaay better and quite easy to get once u already make g15. All u'll need is to farm warsong.. ALOT XD (one of lvl 100 BH instances). But to answer your questions, yes G15 will give u alot of survivabilty in pve as well as pvp, especially with good refines and shards. HOWEVER the build you used is concentrated on pvp mainly, unless u want to become an amp bm, what I'm trying to say is that most of BMs these days go for 5 aps which gives them more dps, so u might consider TT99 boots, wrists and ornaments for -interval addons. Also one more thing if you want full g15, y not getting the helmet? its soo much better than warsoul :P Lots of good factions would love such BM, however remember that gear isn't everything :P Your playing style and SKILL is worth way more :P So NO FC PLEVELING!!!! XD Gl
o.0 wow i didnt know it was better then r8......make me want it more now XD but as far as gear goes im not to concerned about getting the best i just wanna survive lol and just progress slowly with it. I have absolutely np with farming over and over for months or a year or whatever for this gear lol i mean its just soooooo s.exy looking but i must agree tho its very expansive i just went over to nv and looked at the forges and man they cost both of my arms and legs but none the less.......seems worth itb:dirty oh btw i wont be a frost addict lol thats a waste of resources that hyper money can be used for cannies or something else beside i need time to see how my class and the game works XD thanks for the reply0 -
A bit of advice as Nana pretty much summed it up..
When you hit lvl 85 look for a pair of fists called Genorox Vanity and then again at 95 Deicides....now the lvl 85 one is ~10m and can be resold when ur ready to buy ur 95 ones. Those will take you through the game and help you greatly as a BM in any sqd and farming situation.
http://pwcalc.com/791d928560355e7b
Something like that includes no rank gear and can give you some decent and affordable survivability while you farm the rest of your gear.
TT90 axes are good for when u decide to aoe/pk0 -
r8 is a good stepping stone between TT and Nirvana gear
R8 is good if your farming for your nirvana gear as its alot cheaper to get r8, even factoring in the rep required.What kind of fool pays for a free game.0 -
I am not sure which class you want to play but since you put a BM's pwcal so lets see.
BMs don't need R8 at all.
The nirvana gear on your cal is now outdated in end game PvP. If you can get that, you might as well move on to the 3d cast which takes almost no money.
It should look something like http://pwcalc.com/413022ff5a315b41
Then again you have to consider how you are going to make money. A pure axe bm will never be able to farm that gear. You should either CS or merchant. I would advice a little bit of csing and alot of merchanting. In 1-2 years you should be able to get some decent gears for PvP
But then there is an option for you to switch to aps and be able to farm money for these gears. You would need 2 sets of gears though so it would still take 1-2 years if you are only farming. Its best to add some merchanting and if you probably would succeed in about 6 months.
When people talk about +10 rank I highly doubt they are talking about r8...especially for bms. IMO R9 doesn't have a challenger in PvP, but N3 works just as good as R9 in PvE FOR BMs.current pwcalc.com/ecccbccc47400382
aiming pwcalc.com/5ac2ca79fcef8da4
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If it's purely from a PvE Standpoint and no PvP and he doesn't plan on making an APS toon. Morai G15 is the best option for cost effectiveness.
Morai gear is probably the 2nd best PvE just under r9 as a full set. Stand alone the Morai Weapon actually hits almost as hard as a R9 weapon in PvE.
I dunno why you guys missed that completely >_>
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KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »If it's purely from a PvE Standpoint and no PvP and he doesn't plan on making an APS toon. Morai G15 is the best option for cost effectiveness.
Morai gear is probably the 2nd best PvE just under r9 as a full set. Stand alone the Morai Weapon actually hits almost as hard as a R9 weapon in PvE.
I dunno why you guys missed that completely >_>
http://pwcalc.com/db3d42d3ead6ae57
Morai is actually right between R8 and S3 Nirvana in terms of power. R9 (without the set) still beats it damage-wise, especially if you count in SS.
It's still by far the most cost-effective weapon, but it would be 3rd best if you don't count S2/S3 R9 and warsouls because of their **** prices.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nana_PL - Raging Tide wrote: »we have t3 nirvana now (in many cases better thn r9 and it's free).
~200 badges to recast
additional ~200 badges if you want good stats
1.2k cannies
250 rap
12 gold mats
i been full r9 for almost 2 years now... so i have the coins to throw around... and 3rd recast nirvana is still by no means free... even by my standards. Unless of course by free means you spend months farming warsong/nirvana with sub r8 gear.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »~200 badges to recast
additional ~200 badges if you want good stats
1.2k cannies
250 rap
12 gold mats
i been full r9 for almost 2 years now... so i have the coins to throw around... and 3rd recast nirvana is still by no means free... even by my standards. Unless of course by free means you spend months farming warsong/nirvana with sub r8 gear.
free mean 100% FARMABLE in nirvana and warsong 0% butique.
r9 100% butique
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_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »free mean 100% FARMABLE in nirvana and warsong 0% butique.
r9 100% butique
do you need it spelled out more clearly
Guess someone can't even make it to the last sentence. If you want nit pick... r9 by no means is 100% cash shop... it can even be 0%. badges ---> chips from bh/cube/event. orders ---> tw.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
It's just two different roads to take.
Rank 8 or Nirvana
Or if you have no spending limits.... R9[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Guess someone can't even make it to the last sentence. If you want nit pick... r9 by no means is 100% cash shop... it can even be 0%. badges ---> chips from bh/cube/event. orders ---> tw.
ok let see bh give you 50 ships as a bh100 reward you need a ziljion
r9 as a whole will take 800% more time then say nv 1st cast wish then you make 2nd cast and then 3rd cast nv as in phases.
tw r9 medal wow yes cos 99% of the players belong the to Best TW faction in the server ooh and not to mention u get what one per tw on say 50 ppl
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_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »ok let see bh give you 50 ships as a bh100 reward you need a ziljion
r9 as a whole will take 800% more time then say nv 1st cast wish then you make 2nd cast and then 3rd cast nv as in phases.
tw r9 medal wow yes cos 99% of the players belong the to Best TW faction in the server ooh and not to mention u get what one per tw on say 50 ppl
b:bye good luck with that
Yes... and I would like to see a sub r8 make an attempt to farm 3rd recast nirvana. Only idiots is going to "farm" 100% of their mats without buying some with coins. And I am willing to bet that I can much readily **** out an r9 character then trying to farm a full set of 3rd recast (with decent adds).1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
I w0uld n0t overrated just weak in c0mparis0n t0 newer gear unless y0u want r8 recast weap0n f0r the defense levels.0
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_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »free mean 100% FARMABLE in nirvana and warsong 0% butique.
r9 100% butique
do you need it spelled out more clearly
tyvm, yes that's exactly what I mean.
Yes, it is possible to farm r9, well farm coins, sell them for gold and get items from boutique/ other players or farm chips from bhs and old man for like.. 6 yrs.. gl with that XD. t3 is something u can actually farm and enjoy it at the same time. Let's see, r9 weapon is : 8 MOGs and 117 GSTs since u gotta get the ring first, g16 nirvana from scratch is either : lunar or tt weapon, 250 raps, 1 essence, 1 mold, 60 badges. I've been farming, csing and merching coins for my r9 dags before t3 came out, in a year i had 3/4th mats gathered. When t3 nirvana came out I gave up on r9 and farmed my dags in less than 1 month... There is a difference :P.
But, back to the topic, aziz and shadow already mentioned it, axe bm is rly good, for pvp and survivability, or if u want to be an amp bm... But if it comes to dmg dealing therefore farming faster, aps bm is the best choice. In all honesty, if u won't have at least 4 aps, I doubt u will ever find a nirvana squad unless some of your really good friends would will to help u with a few runs ocassionally.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Nana_PL - Raging Tide wrote: »tyvm, yes that's exactly what I mean.
Yes, it is possible to farm r9, well farm coins, sell them for gold and get items from boutique/ other players or farm chips from bhs and old man for like.. 6 yrs.. gl with that XD. t3 is something u can actually farm and enjoy it at the same time. Let's see, r9 weapon is : 8 MOGs and 117 GSTs since u gotta get the ring first, g16 nirvana from scratch is either : lunar or tt weapon, 250 raps, 1 essence, 1 mold, 60 badges. I've been farming, csing and merching coins for my r9 dags before t3 came out, in a year i had 3/4th mats gathered. When t3 nirvana came out I gave up on r9 and farmed my dags in less than 1 month... There is a difference :P.
But, back to the topic, aziz and shadow already mentioned it, axe bm is rly good, for pvp and survivability, or if u want to be an amp bm... But if it comes to dmg dealing therefore farming faster, aps bm is the best choice. In all honesty, if u won't have at least 4 aps, I doubt u will ever find a nirvana squad unless some of your really good friends would will to help u with a few runs ocassionally.
hmm thats quite informative ok then i know what im gonna do and since G16 is farmable il just get that ty vm to you and everyone elseb:victory0 -
If I could do anything I would do this
This would be like an all round setup, replace claws with axes for un aps activities
( The claw adds might be slightly unrealistic. I'm unsure of what the odds of those add ons would be, and how possible those are...)0 -
powergroth wrote: »If I could do anything I would do thisThis would be like an all round setup, replace claws with axes for un aps activities
( The claw adds might be slightly unrealistic. I'm unsure of what the odds of those add ons would be, and how possible those are...)
+1
Just because i can edit stuff in pwcalc to.0 -
IMO if you're going to wear NV gear get the whole set (Cape and Helm) for the bonus effects, but I agree with Kawaii, if you're looking at it from a pure PVE perspective the Morai G15 gear is what you want, plus it's a lot cheaper then having to get all the TT gear you need and then having to farm/buy the uncannies needed to make it all second cast NV.
On a personal note if a BM, wearing only NV gear and was pure axe build or something that wasn't APS, came up to me and asked to join my faction, I'd be pretty dumb to turn him down... js[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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What are the costs of these set pieces actually when converted to coins. ?
Nirvana 15 = ~20m worth TT99gold + 250 raps / cannies =~ 100m / 300m
how many coins cost the stuff needed to up them to 16 ?
R8 = 80m coins in rep. And then how much cost the individual items ?
R9 = 120m coins in rep. And then about how much per part ?0 -
HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »What are the costs of these set pieces actually when converted to coins. ?
Nirvana 15 = ~20m worth TT99gold + 250 raps / cannies =~ 100m / 300m
how many coins cost the stuff needed to up them to 16 ?
R8 = 80m coins in rep. And then how much cost the individual items ?
R9 = 120m coins in rep. And then about how much per part ?
TT99 Full SET ~ 70mil
Making it all into G15 Nirvana = 1,500 Cannies+ 250 raps ~ 450mil + 375mil = ~825mil
Grand total of 900mil for a FULL set of G15 Nirvana to make into G16 that includes all 6 pieces of armor and weapon
R8 = ~ 80mil for rep + 2mil for weapon and 1mil for chest piece and legs. = ~84mil and you still need gear for everything else
R9 = ~130mil for rep and ~1.2bil for the entire set. = 1.3bil total
G15 Morai
G15 Boots = 2000 prestige requirement + 250 influence cost + 5.25m coin
G15 Wrist = 2500 prestige requirement + 250 influence cost + 5.25m coin
G15 Helm = 4000 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Pants = 4500 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Chest = 5000 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Weapon = 5000 prestige requirement + 900 influence cost + 17.64m coin
Grand total of 49.56 Mil for the set.0 -
R9 = ~130mil for rep and ~1.2bil for the entire set. = 1.3bil total
For 1.2b you'll barely get the weapon and the ring nowadays.
Rep: 176mil
Ring: 360 mil
Armor piece: 180 mil * 4
Belt: 360 mil
Weapon: 860 mil
Total: 2.47b at HT's lovely gold price of 1.6mil including the 2% fee on buying gold. Might drop to around 2b for the set on some grand sale (if said sale doesn't make gold prices rise or you have around 1200 gold in advance).[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »For 1.2b you'll barely get the weapon and the ring nowadays.
Rep: 176mil
Ring: 360 mil
Armor piece: 180 mil * 4
Belt: 360 mil
Weapon: 860 mil
Total: 2.47b at HT's lovely gold price of 1.6mil including the 2% fee on buying gold. Might drop to around 2b for the set on some grand sale (if said sale doesn't make gold prices rise or you have around 1200 gold in advance).
I think I was incorporating sales. (I went off how much I paid and added an extra 200mil for the MoGs) >.<
Though I forgot to include the 500k increase on gold...
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Morai G15 gear isn't really that cheap. Time is money and it takes some time and effort to get Morai G15. TT99 Nirvana can be account stashed, and Lunar Nirvana can be traded (shouldn't be overlooked). We also haven't been told that G15 Morai will have an upgrade path.0
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Morai G15 gear isn't really that cheap. Time is money and it takes some time and effort to get Morai G15. TT99 Nirvana can be account stashed, and Lunar Nirvana can be traded (shouldn't be overlooked). We also haven't been told that G15 Morai will have an upgrade path.
If you start Morai quests at 95 when you can enter it and do it every day with your other quests and FFs. By the time you are 101 you should be close if not have enough prestige and influence for the armor and the weapon thanks to the Order Badges.
Yes the Nirvana set can be shared across multiple characters as well as lunar can be traded but look at the vast cost difference. Over 800mil. Not many people have that kind of coin lying around and DREAM about even touching close to even just 100mil. Not to mention they still have to purchase endgame ornaments(x2 rings a belt if no r9 and a necklace). Which aren't cheap to get either.
The only time I see that as a good investment if pure PvE is if you are a caster and have all 5 caster classes at 100.0 -
TT99 Full SET ~ 70mil
Making it all into G15 Nirvana = 1,500 Cannies+ 250 raps ~ 450mil + 375mil = ~825mil
Grand total of 900mil for a FULL set of G15 Nirvana to make into G16 that includes all 6 pieces of armor and weapon
R8 = ~ 80mil for rep + 2mil for weapon and 1mil for chest piece and legs. = ~84mil and you still need gear for everything else
R9 = ~130mil for rep and ~1.2bil for the entire set. = 1.3bil total
G15 Morai
G15 Boots = 2000 prestige requirement + 250 influence cost + 5.25m coin
G15 Wrist = 2500 prestige requirement + 250 influence cost + 5.25m coin
G15 Helm = 4000 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Pants = 4500 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Chest = 5000 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Weapon = 5000 prestige requirement + 900 influence cost + 17.64m coin
Grand total of 49.56 Mil for the set.
Oh my gudness you see those numbersb:shocked aw man i really gotta work on my merching skill to get that kinda of insane coin to i can atleast be a little ok in pvpb:cry.........just think of the refines aw man........0 -
The biggest "cost" factor for me was alts.
I did not have any intention of getting rank gear for all of them. Nirvana is the best choice for me because I can gear multiple characters with it, and the cost saved in regearing alts was a big factor (weapons aside, ofc in some cases).
If you have any intention of making characters that will/can wear the same gear, I'd go Nirvana so you can stash it all.0 -
The answer is neither... It is too overpowered as soon as you hit R9 at least, even a complete fail can look like they are legit.0
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G15 Morai
G15 Boots = 2000 prestige requirement + 250 influence cost + 5.25m coin
G15 Wrist = 2500 prestige requirement + 250 influence cost + 5.25m coin
G15 Helm = 4000 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Pants = 4500 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Chest = 5000 prestige requirement + 340 influence cost + 7.14m coin
G15 Weapon = 5000 prestige requirement + 900 influence cost + 17.64m coin
Grand total of 49.56 Mil for the set.
Thank you for that, was looking to go r8r on my barb. But couldn't justify sinking 500m on it. G15 seems like a much better option.
Might take some time, but if we are playing this game for the next few months to a few years, well worth the investment.0
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