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  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Did somone just say aps barbs kill vit or str barbs in pvp? Lol? Nabs reg barbs own aps barbs hands down and any experinced barb will say the exact same...aps barb is good for pve only
  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    When aps barbs switch vit to dex they are losing more then 100 vit..think aboit how much pdef your going to lose...who cares about the 5k hp u will lose the pdef takes bigger hit
  • BloodTyrant - Raging Tide
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    Did somone just say aps barbs kill vit or str barbs in pvp? Lol? Nabs reg barbs own aps barbs hands down and any experinced barb will say the exact same...aps barb is good for pve only
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    When aps barbs switch vit to dex they are losing more then 100 vit..think aboit how much pdef your going to lose...who cares about the 5k hp u will lose the pdef takes bigger hit


    srsly you DOUBLE NECROED to say bllsht? b:sweat

    poor little guy, never saw a real aps barb pvping b:cry
  • Lolgasmic - Raging Tide
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide Posts: 1,315 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I saw your original post asking about a high hp pvp character that's easy to use and is somewhat uniquehere. I personally was going to suggest Mystic, although they are a rather low hp class they have physical def shields, pvp knockback, a pet, and silence (can't use skills) skills to help defend them. But for high hp, barb fits the bill.

    The build I would recommend is more dependant on what gear you have. In this game you get 5 stats per levels. Axes require 3 str and .5 dex per level and Heavy Armor (HA) requires 2.5 str .5 dex so the axe requirement covers both and leaves 1.5 stats per level to play with.

    These 1.5 extra stats per level is where barbs disagree. You'll have high dps (damage per second) barb recommend putting it all into dex and using fists, you'll have high dph (damage per hit) recommend adding more to strength, and you'll have others recommend putting it in vitality to increase your survivability and outlast your opponents.

    My recommendations would be tailored to your personal preferences and resources. End game, even 150-200 vitality is only 8-18% of your total hp, but below high refines it can account for a lot more. And in this game you can buy charms that refill your hp when it drops below 50% and can do that every 10 seconds. A charmed high hp barb is almost impossible to kill 1v1 because you need to beat their charm ticking and refilling their hp in 10 seconds. But if that barb has put too much into vitality and doesn't have good damage output its likely they can't kill you either for the same reasons.

    Endgame, the bulk of hp comes from refines. At +1 a piece of armor might give you 17hp, but by +10 refines it can give you 800+ hp. And each level of refinement is harder to obtain. If you have high hp from refines there isn't a reason to add to vitality for 1v1 pvp.

    So... overall... I guess my recommendation is a 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit per level. Or alternate 3 str/1dex/1vit on even levels and 4str/1dex on odd levels. This will give you 300-350 str, 100 dex, and 50-100 vitality at level 100 which is high enough dd to be deadly, high enough accuracy to have reliable attacks and a few crits, and vitality enough to cover low refines. It's enough to experience the game, pvp, and maybe even TW or group pk and decide what you want more of and what you want less of. If I had to recommend an endgame build for a pvp barb its 100 dex after gear adds, and as much str as you can find with 3 vit and 3 magic.

    If you don't like your stats you can always farm coin and buy a reset not to move stats around but this is best saved till 100+ when you know your class, gear, and preferences.

    tl;dr

    seriously, as much as i love a well thought-out post.... im way too damn lazy to read it.

    potato
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Barbarian 103 - 101 - 101
    Started playing on March 2010
  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    srsly you DOUBLE NECROED to say bllsht? b:sweat

    poor little guy, never saw a real aps barb pvping b:cry

    So you think an aps barb is better then vit/str r9 barb? I lol at that and would love to 1v1 an"experinced" aps barb all they can do is aps and spark once u switch to axes ur prolly dead already lacking our stun skill we have all i would have to do is occt half health and its over though...i never did say aps isnt good for pve since aps barbs are ment for pvp and only if u dont have an aps toon already
  • BloodTyrant - Raging Tide
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    So you think an aps barb is better then vit/str r9 barb?

    first of all i don't compare aps or vit/str barbs, barbs are great in pk with any build.

    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    I lol at that and would love to 1v1 an"experinced" aps barb all they can do is aps and spark once u switch to axes ur prolly dead already lacking our stun skill we have all i would have to do is occt half health and its over though...

    another 1 thinking that aps barbs only uses fist/claw!! fyi, aps barbs have some differences than other barbs, better accuracy, better evasion (which is good vs bms and other barbs), higher critical rate, able to use fist, more tankability with BP, etc... but i don't think some1 like you have ever though about it...

    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    i never did say aps isnt good for pve since aps barbs are ment for pvp and only if u dont have an aps toon already

    so you're telling me that u never said aps isn't good for pve, but at the same time saying aps barbs are meant to pvp? LOL i think you should review your concepts before post something.


    p.s. i have a video showing my barb (aps barb) killing a +10 pure vit barb. who's your god now?b:chuckle
  • SteelStar - Heavens Tear
    SteelStar - Heavens Tear Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    I'd love to see a 'regular' barb handle an APS barb.

    Come to HT, there are several! b:surrender
    It's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
    My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
    VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    another 1 thinking that aps barbs only uses fist/claw!! fyi, aps barbs have some differences than other barbs, better accuracy, better evasion (which is good vs bms and other barbs), higher critical rate, able to use fist, more tankability with BP, etc... but i don't think some1 like you have ever though about it...

    Good list, I'd add chi gain to it. So many of our best skills are chi dependent and many great pvpers are great at chi suppression. Basically, suppress a barbs chi and they can't do much to hurt you or to defend against you. They'll start using their genie up instead, at that's one defense less they have.

    And aps barb can use their claws to keep their chi up, whether or not they're trying to kill with them. Sometimes it's just to setup a combo like charm tick->aps to 60% hp, Alacrity-> Devour, Sunder/Arma-> BO. Other times its having no chi but full health and getting 2 sparks just incase you need to invoke.

    I've said it before but vit doesn't have finishing power for 1v1 against a charmed opponent thats decent. Str build and aps build are both very decent. Doing 3 or 4 heavy hits with axes surprises your opponent more than pulling claws out and dinging their defenses 15 times.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    first of all i don't compare aps or vit/str barbs, barbs are great in pk with any build.




    another 1 thinking that aps barbs only uses fist/claw!! fyi, aps barbs have some differences than other barbs, better accuracy, better evasion (which is good vs bms and other barbs), higher critical rate, able to use fist, more tankability with BP, etc... but i don't think some1 like you have ever though about it...




    so you're telling me that u never said aps isn't good for pve, but at the same time saying aps barbs are meant to pvp? LOL i think you should review your concepts before post something.


    p.s. i have a video showing my barb (aps barb) killing a +10 pure vit barb. who's your god now?b:chuckle


    You certinly do imply that aps is better..i dont think you understand what im saying..a vit/str barb has the upper hand vs aps
  • LaYsDiL - Harshlands
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »
    first of all i don't compare aps or vit/str barbs, barbs are great in pk with any build.




    another 1 thinking that aps barbs only uses fist/claw!! fyi, aps barbs have some differences than other barbs, better accuracy, better evasion (which is good vs bms and other barbs), higher critical rate, able to use fist, more tankability with BP, etc... but i don't think some1 like you have ever though about it...




    so you're telling me that u never said aps isn't good for pve, but at the same time saying aps barbs are meant to pvp? LOL i think you should review your concepts before post something.


    p.s. i have a video showing my barb (aps barb) killing a +10 pure vit barb. who's your god now?b:chuckle


    You certinly do imply that aps is better..i dont think you understand what im saying..a vit/str barb has the upper hand vs aps. Aldo another thing..aps barbs dont go past tt99 or 2nd cast... And in hl ive never came across a aps that can take me down in pvp but not many can take down r9 barbs just saying if going aps each vit foe barb is like 32-38 hp..and aps cut there vit down to nothing so mucj for arma and all tjat pdef/hp also capping at 2nd cast...just roll a bm
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    You certinly do imply that aps is better..i dont think you understand what im saying..a vit/str barb has the upper hand vs aps. Aldo another thing..aps barbs dont go past tt99 or 2nd cast... And in hl ive never came across a aps that can take me down in pvp but not many can take down r9 barbs just saying if going aps each vit foe barb is like 32-38 hp..and aps cut there vit down to nothing so mucj for arma and all tjat pdef/hp also capping at 2nd cast...just roll a bm

    New to PWI? You're limiting aps barbs to tt99. You're saying an aps barb cant get 32-38k hp when its pretty easy to get. You're acting like 140 stat points is a such huge difference. You also are acting like aps barbs can't use axes or can't swap gear pieces for defense in < 1 second.

    The standard cookie-cutter aps barb might not go past tt99 but its not fair to compare a 2bil R9 build to a much cheaper aps build. Barbs can be 4 pieces r9 and 5.0 aps, or combine t3 pieces and R8r pieces for greater defenses than r9. We just had a thread talking how even in tiger form with level 11 barb buffs 1vit=31 hp, so the difference of 140vit is 4.3k hp. If comparing 36k and 32k builds suddenly makes someone 'fail' in your opinion then please quit pking because you're missing the point.

    And comparing an aps barb and an aps bm is kind of like saying that if we like to buff with poison fang we may as well roll a caster. Skill sets and playstyle are completely different between bm and barb and attack speed doesn't belong to one class.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • BloodTyrant - Raging Tide
    BloodTyrant - Raging Tide Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    LaYsDiL - Harshlands wrote: »
    You certinly do imply that aps is better..i dont think you understand what im saying..a vit/str barb has the upper hand vs aps. Aldo another thing..aps barbs dont go past tt99 or 2nd cast... And in hl ive never came across a aps that can take me down in pvp but not many can take down r9 barbs just saying if going aps each vit foe barb is like 32-38 hp..and aps cut there vit down to nothing so mucj for arma and all tjat pdef/hp also capping at 2nd cast...just roll a bm

    i haven't said aps barbs are better, i gave the differences bettween the builds.
    im an aps barb and i got full r9, so you can't say they don't go past tt99 ;) .
    too bad im from RT, else we could 1v1 b:cute
    so you're saying vit barbs have 32-38k hp in HL? in RT we have some aps barbs with 32, 35 and one with 38k hp b:chuckle and believe or not we pull catas and arma for a high dmg b:kiss
    you should stop to think aps barbs are limited to interval gears only and start to think about mixed gears b:bye
  • RoidAbuse - Sanctuary
    RoidAbuse - Sanctuary Posts: 1,066 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK8mMG_OVQg

    Yes, APS barbs can take down other barbs. Don't really 1 vs 1 other barbs because it's a waste of time and a huge charm ****.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eiRxPXgCP8

    Same fight but his perspective. He has 31k HP with BB on in human form and I think he's at least full R9 +11 if not higher with +12 weapon. I was mostly +10 with +12 weapon at that time. He's full Vit stones and I'm full JOSD.

    I've tried full str and right now I'm Vit/dex hybrid. Out of the 3 builds, I think full str is the most dangerous one you can be as a demon barb.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Making "non-trash-talkers" show their true color. RAGE ON! b:laugh
  • Lolgasmic - Raging Tide
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide Posts: 1,315 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    I'd love to see a 'regular' barb handle an APS barb.

    and that isn't so easy, im still practicing on that... it's like fighting a BM with twice as much hp b:shocked
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Barbarian 103 - 101 - 101
    Started playing on March 2010
  • Blaxton - Raging Tide
    Blaxton - Raging Tide Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »
    and that isn't so easy, im still practicing on that... it's like fighting a BM with twice as much hp b:shocked

    Let me sharpen my claws on you. b:cute

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