archers in casters nirvana

Dan_Chou - Archosaur
Dan_Chou - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
edited October 2012 in Etherblade (West)
here's my damage info on certain bosses in caster's nirvana...so people dont doubt inviting archer's in casters nirvana cause we deal very high damage especially when crit...



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  • Graphia - Archosaur
    Graphia - Archosaur Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    actually dan,i dont mind on inviting someone for caster nirvana,as long as they have any mag skills,n they know how to play their toon.....but still,high damage output preferredbb:chuckle
  • Super_Heals - Archosaur
    Super_Heals - Archosaur Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    archers are cool in casters as long as they know what skills to use etc...

    question: does bloodvow work in casters O: ?
  • Zhadi - Archosaur
    Zhadi - Archosaur Posts: 695 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    That is the damage of a full rank 9 +12 archer.
    Obviously it will be high, but it is no where near competent to DPS if compared to similarly geared Wizards, Mystics, Psychics, or Venos. Especially considering how long archer metal skills take to cast and the cooldown on them. And before you say you can constantly spam them 100%, check your screenshots. On one of them I see you're casting Quickshot which means there is time time in between ur cooldowns where ur doing 0 damage. A few big hits means nothing when we're talking DPS.
  • Zhadi - Archosaur
    Zhadi - Archosaur Posts: 695 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Super_Heals - Archosaur wrote: »
    archers are cool in casters as long as they know what skills to use etc...

    question: does bloodvow work in casters O: ?

    Blood vow damage over time works (but the damage is currently worthless), but the amp only works on certain bosses, and the -HP effect doesn't on any.
  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Er, it would be much more beneficial to the squad to bring a wizard or psychic. Also, I see you have fists in your skill bar, which means you probably have more strength than what is needed for your helmet. Since you have r9 +12 bow, you should definitely use that... why would you use fists...? We have a lack of fist mastery. r9 +12 bow will out DD any fists, including g15 nirvana +12 or deicide +12. Haven't checked the math on g16 nirvana or r9 3rd cast fists but that would be just dumb anyway.

    PuLse was only scoring 10k-15k with his gorenox in the tiger event and was wondering how I was getting 20k+, I told him to use his bow instead of his fists and he too was getting 20k+.... it's extra str that could be put into dex, and wasted money spent to refine and gem some fists when your bow is superior.

    tl;dr = lose the fists and do regular nirvana with bow, just stay in long range at all times. Hope there is a decent sin in the squad because you'll be pulling aggro which means halved damage. Use bow and quickshot until you have 3 sparks, then triple spark and auto attack. Save blood vow for the last boss.

    Protip: if you're still hellbent on doing caster nirvana, at least have the wizards buff you with frostblade. >_>
  • Dan_Chou - Archosaur
    Dan_Chou - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    @zhadi thats just r9 bow +10

    @super_heals i added quickshot to my macro skills to gain chi and to wait for some skills to cooldown

    @metalogue thats a lvl 60 fist cause apparently i cant wear any high lvl fist cause i only got like 109 str and that includes my gears...so if u take away pan gu from me i dont have the needed str to wear some gears :D

    im playing with wiz r8 +5 cleric r8 +5 and mystic r8 +5 and as far as i know i deal more damage than them in terms of basic and crit damage...and im an archer so i crit like most of the time...on casters nirvana also all bosses can be amp and hf so thats a big factor
  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    @metalogue thats a lvl 60 fist cause apparently i cant wear any high lvl fist cause i only got like 109 str and that includes my gears...so if u take away pan gu from me i dont have the needed str to wear some gears :D

    Good. Glad to hear. There are so many archers who are misinformed, and if they were to only wear their native weapon: the bow, they would find that they do much more DPS as well as DPH.
  • XCableX - Archosaur
    XCableX - Archosaur Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Metalogue for 2012?

    You must lead the way for Archers.
    youtube.com/xArsonist18 : XCableX's TW videos

    pwcalc.com/56b00d33a8c63c7d : Current BM Build for TW
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Zhadi - Archosaur wrote: »
    Blood vow damage over time works (but the damage is currently worthless), but the amp only works on certain bosses, and the -HP effect doesn't on any.

    Bull freaking SHT. You must have never been to caster, or atleast only a few times.
    Why do you think caster squads bring a BM? So he can HF half of the bosses?

    Every boss in caster can be amped
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • soundslegit
    soundslegit Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13032

    I have one of these from divine quests, I wonder if it will help in casters when I get that high. I dueled someone to test it and they said the proc cuts magic defense in half.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    soundslegit wrote: »
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/13032

    I have one of these from divine quests, I wonder if it will help in casters when I get that high. I dueled someone to test it and they said the proc cuts magic defense in half.

    And at the same time it reduces your own damage to nothing at level 100
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    While I'm all for people testing new builds, weapons, and skills, that weapon seems like a bad idea. A cleric using elemental seal seems like it would be more effective because of how long it lasts. If the debuff had a different icon or stacked with elemental seal, and if it lasted 20+ seconds, then sure, use that weapon to make the debuff proc, then switch back to your regular weapon. It would benefit the other 5 people in the squad. But yeah, I doubt it lasts 20 seconds and I also doubt it stacks with elemental seal.
  • XCableX - Archosaur
    XCableX - Archosaur Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Telling you, Metalogue 2012!!!! YEAHHHH.
    youtube.com/xArsonist18 : XCableX's TW videos

    pwcalc.com/56b00d33a8c63c7d : Current BM Build for TW
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Bull freaking SHT. You must have never been to caster, or atleast only a few times.
    Why do you think caster squads bring a BM? So he can HF half of the bosses?

    Every boss in caster can be amped

    He's just thinking of the original version of caster nirv where only 2 of the bosses could be amped. When they fixed the talisman exploit they made it so that all the bosses could be amped with Blood vow.

    An R9 archer DPS in caster is certainly better than any R8 caster dps but not as good as a R9 Wiz or Psy. It might be comparable to a R9 cleric or veno though. The archer metal combo doesn't generate much chi unfortunately due to thunder shock so you have to rely more on your genie for chi.

    An archer that can manage chi well enough to spam triple sparked metal combos does much more damage than one who can't so archer performance in caster is more skill-dependent than an average R9 caster.
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  • Reshee - Harshlands
    Reshee - Harshlands Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I do that damage with my r8 +7 wiz in caster. I also have more skills available to use than you which means more damage. Lesson is: take an extra psy or wiz to caster. Sucks but it makes more sense. Not saying archers can't do their fair share...but it's called caster for a reason. I love me an archer....in every instance except caster. ijs. You don't have to be r9 to do damage either. Anyone who thinks that should go play another game.

    Edit: more mag skills to be specific (and obvious).

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