Fist BM or Sin?

Grimlynz - Heavens Tear
Grimlynz - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Dungeons & Tactics
OK, first off, I'm not exactly new to PWI. That being said, I haven't really been around too much for the past year or so, so I've missed out on keeping current with some of the patches. I've noticed a few things, such as skill mods and re-balancing of the class/skills.

Further, I've never used a Fist BM, although I've always been tempted to. :)
My main character is a 57 Sin (going for -int gear, starting at 60).

I just wanted to know which was better: a Fist BM or a Sin?

I read in the BM guide here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=766822 a recommendation to use heavy armor (3 str/2 Dex per lvl) For HA and Fists (I also figure that 5 str/ 5 dex per 2 lvls would work great too).

So I guess the real question is this: Fist BM (HA), Fist BM (LA), or Sin?


P.S.: I couldn't find any other threads about this. :/ b:surrender which surprises me, since I figured it would be a big toppic. If there is already a thread concerning this, I'm sorry for my ignorance (and my lack of skill with the Search tool. I can almost never find the stuff that I'm looking for with it. b:cry)
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    A fist only BM is a fail only BM.
    Bm's use all 4 kinds of weapons
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Grimlynz - Heavens Tear
    Grimlynz - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    A fist only BM is a fail only BM.
    Bm's use all 4 kinds of weapons
    O.o What happened to Weapon Focusing? The cost of going through all 4 Tree's would be astronomical, both for Coin and for Spirit, last I knew. Let alone the price of having 4 top tier weapons.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Sure, if you wanna knock out 3/4th of your entire skill tree, go ahead.
    But you have these skills for a reason.

    And it's not like you have that much more skills. They are just spread out over differnt weapon types.

    Weapon 'focussing' is something the noobs that think APS is the awnser to everything do.
    Or did you want to go through delta or lunar (20+ mobs at a time) single target APSing them 1 by 1? Cause don't expect that squad to ever invite you again if you do
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • mazz0pi
    mazz0pi Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Right thing to do: Fist, Claw / Axes

    For bosses or single targes: Claw, Fist
    For multiple target, AoE: Axes

    You have to put both weapons in your hotkey bar and keep switching according to the situation.
  • Grimlynz - Heavens Tear
    Grimlynz - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mazz0pi wrote: »
    Right thing to do: Fist, Claw / Axes

    For bosses or single targes: Claw, Fist
    For multiple target, AoE: Axes

    You have to put both weapons in your hotkey bar and keep switching according to the situation.
    This sounds much better than
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sure, if you wanna knock out 3/4th of your entire skill tree, go ahead.
    But you have these skills for a reason.

    And it's not like you have that much more skills. They are just spread out over differnt weapon types.

    Weapon 'focussing' is something the noobs that think APS is the awnser to everything do.
    Or did you want to go through delta or lunar (20+ mobs at a time) single target APSing them 1 by 1? Cause don't expect that squad to ever invite you again if you do

    Choosing 2/4 weapon tree's makes sense, so you're well rounded.

    So, aside from all that (since that more or less puts the type of BM to rest), which is better? The Fist/Claw/Axe BM or the Assassin?
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Grimlynz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Choosing 2/4 weapon tree's makes sense, so you're well rounded.

    So, aside from all that (since that more or less puts the type of BM to rest), which is better? The Fist/Claw/Axe BM or the Assassin?

    Well that would depend.
    Both have very differnt play styles, and the real question is, what would you enjoy most?

    Sins are speciallists.
    They are very good at killing a single target, and that's about it.

    BMs are more rounded. They are good at everything you throw at them, but they can't do it as good as other classes
    9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
  • Grimlynz - Heavens Tear
    Grimlynz - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    That makes sense. I guess the only answer is to get my sin to 60 for the -Int gear and then get a BM to 60 and test them both out, side by side.

    Edit: Sirrobert: Have you ever played a BM beyond level 29 (which is the level that they start getting their weapon focus skills)?
    Because, as little as I know about BMs, I do know that they are not recommended to take all 4 tree's. It seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, that all your understanding of a BM is strictly hypothetical and "text book", without any real experience of one. Your achievements indicate that you've never gotten a BM to level 30, which is about where those choices come into affect.
    Further more, your answers are comparable to my own conclusions of a BM versus SIN with little to no real experience of such a class. If that's the case, I still welcome your opinion on BM's, and especially your insight on Sin's (seeing as mine isn't even level 60 yet).
    As this seems to be the case, I am taking your advice with a grain of salt.

    I'm sorry if this offends you. I was hoping to get more of a response from people who have actively played both classes to a reasonable extent. (Let's say at least mid-to-late-game for each)
  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    lol dont joke around do FF and you will get all the spirit point you ever need for all 4 paths and if you later go demon or sage.

    money is more issue then sp in later lv but then with decent aps u can start to farm liek a lil nice boy

    b:bye
  • mazz0pi
    mazz0pi Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Axe AoEs you need to level:
    Highland Cleave
    Drake's Sweep
    Fissure
    Heaven's Flam

    That's all you gonna use on FF runs.
    Level glacial spike on end game, when you start farming nirvanas. It's a pike only skill.

    For passive skills you'll want Fist Mastery and Axe and Poleaxe masteries leveled to 10.

    Running skills: Cloud Spirit and Will of Bodhisattva.

    For fist you'll want Shadowless Kick and Cyclone Heel both lvl 10. Shadowless interrupts channeling and Cyclone Heel boosts your attack rate.

    Lvel both of your marrows and your bell to 10. Can't remember anything else for now.
  • Niteshadows - Harshlands
    Niteshadows - Harshlands Posts: 583 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Endgame is sin. There is no doubt about it. It's good for using if you wanna solo FC and not pay millions of coins to level your alts.

    +1 this message if you agree.
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