FC damage Test

knedl1234
knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2012 in Assassin
Hi everyone :D

I saw lots of videos on youtube where r9 sins solo FC + record + put on youtube.
But i didnt saw any g15sins do that. So plz if any of u can record FC solo and link it below. I realy wanna see g15 daggers with +10/+12 with SS 5aps in action so i can decide which wep go for.

Atm my build http://pwcalc.com/5145c21cfac44a72 - i know i need new ring, refine ornaments, new robe, but that will do soon xD

*didnt notice ornaments atm +5 and soon more i didnt fix in pwi calculator!

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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Reason there aren't many has to do with the owners.

    When you have something like G15 at +10-12, you usually have much better things to do than solo FCC.

    The very few non-R9 videos that I know of:
    G13 +10 5 aps Demon
    G13 +12 5 aps Sage

    Honestly, if you get a G15 +10-12, you really shouldn't be soloing FCC anymore.
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  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Belive me it is very nice to sell FC, u get 1,5m per run + exp, TY for video too b:pleased
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    Belive me it is very nice to sell FC, u get 1,5m per run + exp, TY for video too b:pleased
    You say that like we don't know that...
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    You say that like we don't know that...

    Well actually FCC is one of the poorer ways of making money.

    About the only good thing about FCC is that it's soloable and you can do it early.

    But for example Nirvana or duoing TM69 is much better coin. Which is probably what all those G15s are busy doing.
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  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Man i saw u many times in forum ur nice, but dont tell me Fc is poor coins ... OFc i do norvana when x2 but now when is not x2 i can make 4,5m in less then two hours which is very nice. And idc of i see video of FC or TM69, i just want to see something cause i cant find on youtube .b:bye
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Ya know I rarely log in to post on these forums anymore, but here is the thing knedl1234...


    when you solo Frost you take, as a sin, around 30-45 mins depending on your set-up, how fast you can kill mobs and how quickly you can get to the big room. Now after you get to the big room you will end up spending another 45 to 1:30 tryin to get people to sell it to.
    So for frost your total time can be anywhere from 1:15 to 2:15 to get it all done.
    All that to make 4.5 mil.


    Now take TM69, you get a squad of 4 people. Each paying 800k - 1 mil for their slot. That is 3.2 - 4 mil per run. You do 8 runs for them to get their cape.
    So you take 8 runs, which in total will take a good duo team about 2 hrs to do. So this is 8 runs total, each run giving 3.2 to 4 mil coins. So your total profit for this 2 hr time frame would be 25.6 - 32 mil as the total profit for 2 hrs.



    So...tell me, is your method really worth doing?
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  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    Man i saw u many times in forum ur nice, but dont tell me Fc is poor coins ... OFc i do norvana when x2 but now when is not x2 i can make 4,5m in less then two hours which is very nice. And idc of i see video of FC or TM69, i just want to see something cause i cant find on youtube .b:bye

    The reason it is poor coins because you can grind out the same coins on mobs in the same time frame it takes to solo frost. You can even make more in coin/npc drops solo'n brim/eden than selling heads. There are more profitable ways to make coin like TT/SoT/Abba ect, not even mentioning merchanting.
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    There is only circumstance i can see someone doing solo fcc with g15+10, your duo/trio friends are not playing. It takes about 30 minutes for my friend to solo fcc, and 1~5 minutes to sell.

    When we duo, it takes her 17 minutes. We are cutting down the times, but takes practise. I get free exp, while she gets the money for her g15 daggers.

    TM69 = more money

    Seat/Aba = more money

    That is all assuming you have decent gear. Rings and ornament play a big role for sin, bms have marrow so they can skimp out on rings, ornaments when doing endgame stuff, sins don't have that much luxury.
  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Guys WTF this is out of topic and how i make money is my thing not urs ....
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  • witniss
    witniss Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Ya know I rarely log in to post on these forums anymore, but here is the thing knedl1234...


    when you solo Frost you take, as a sin, around 30-45 mins depending on your set-up, how fast you can kill mobs and how quickly you can get to the big room. Now after you get to the big room you will end up spending another 45 to 1:30 tryin to get people to sell it to.
    So for frost your total time can be anywhere from 1:15 to 2:15 to get it all done.
    All that to make 4.5 mil.


    Now take TM69, you get a squad of 4 people. Each paying 800k - 1 mil for their slot. That is 3.2 - 4 mil per run. You do 8 runs for them to get their cape.
    So you take 8 runs, which in total will take a good duo team about 2 hrs to do. So this is 8 runs total, each run giving 3.2 to 4 mil coins. So your total profit for this 2 hr time frame would be 25.6 - 32 mil as the total profit for 2 hrs.



    So...tell me, is your method really worth doing?
    fc prices have really gone up
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    TM69 on RT = 500k per run xD
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    TM69 on RT = 500k per run xD

    FCC has its advantages. I need zero buffs and zero organization to run it.

    TM69 on Sanctuary gets very competitive and can be 750k-250k, but often will require 20+ teles to make a squad and up to an hour of WCing for members. Once the squad is made you can usually do multiplle runs, replacing out 1 or 2 people that get their 8 badges and are done.

    TT requires 4 people, which isn't bad but still means either asking friends or WCing, usually offering coin for them to stone in, and then waiting for them to get there. Once you finish one run you then have to start whispering others or WCing again for people. So even though 2-2 - 3-1 may take 25 minutes to run, add in the squad forming time and restarting you get near 45 minutes average. It also runs the risk of being a fail drop run.

    Nirvana is nice enough except when you get squads that can't spam. The splitting time is about the biggest time burn when Nirvanaing.

    FCCs can be busted out really quick. I can do about 2.5 runs an hour for about 3m an hour. That's dependable coin, too. Not based on good drops or bad drops. There are WCing costs so lets say 2.75m an hour. Still, not bad. A catshop can be used to open from a distance, you don't need buffs, you're not dependant on others, and selling the instance usually only takes a few minutes. It's not the best money but for me its the least hassle. Plus, the occasional green mat drop boosts the coin too.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    Guys WTF this is out of topic and how i make money is my thing not urs ....

    Your the guy who started in on this topic. We are just following the path of the thread.
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  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I started difrent topic and is all ok :D cause everyone have self way to make coins. About the topic, i just wanted to see g15 dmg test cause so far i didnt notice that on youtube. b:sad
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    I started difrent topic and is all ok :D cause everyone have self way to make coins. About the topic, i just wanted to see g15 dmg test cause so far i didnt notice that on youtube. b:sad

    Other than the occasional zerk crits, the G15 has pretty much identical damage to G13. The two have identical refine rates and the G15 only has slightly better base damage.
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  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    hm, then how "perfect" g15 can be close to r9 daggers if got similar dmg like g13. I saw unrefined g13 and dmg was so low that i still cant belive, meybi is difrence at +12 idk.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    hm, then how "perfect" g15 can be close to r9 daggers if got similar dmg like g13. I saw unrefined g13 and dmg was so low that i still cant belive, meybi is difrence at +12 idk.

    You're mistaking damage per hit (DPH) with damage per second (DPS).

    Rank 9 has much, much better DPH than G15. This is because Rank 9 has both God of Frenzy and +30 Attack Levels.

    G15 has potentially equal DPS with R9. This is because G15 has the potential to have -interval on it, which puts it at 5 attacks/second rather than the 4 attacks/second that Rank 9 can get.

    Essentially, R9 has at worst about 23% more damage-per-hit than G15. However, since R9 is locked at 80% of the attack speed of G15, the worst case scenario puts R9 at roughly 98% of the DPS of G15.

    Though, even with Sacrificial Strike, the DPS of R9 would only be about 102% of the G15. So in terms of DPS, the G15 and R9 are pretty much identical in terms of DPS. The damage per hit is where the R9 shines: The R9 has 20-35% more DPH than the G15, depending on how many attack levels and what mods you land on the G15.
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  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Ty for that, is not problem that i dont understand DPS and APS and DPH, problem is that i dont know how to explain that cause of my bad english.

    I found G15 +12 w/ 2x darkflames sin ( +20 attck lvl + int + 1%crit )
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRQLSf--Bg
    and after first spark boss is at 460k HP left. I think that is awsome, but i want to see numbers from difrents stat g15 too.

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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    Ty for that, is not problem that i dont understand DPS and APS and DPH, problem is that i dont know how to explain that cause of my bad english.

    I found G15 +12 w/ 2x darkflames sin ( +20 attck lvl + int + 1%crit )
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRQLSf--Bg
    and after first spark boss is at 460k HP left. I think that is awsome, but i want to see numbers from difrents stat g15 too.

    b:pleased

    Well the thing is, demos like that aren't necessarily reflective of reality. Even more so when you're thinking of G15 and R9, which would involve GoF and SS.

    Also, that video isn't really too relevant. The start that you mention has the sin using Frenzy, Tangling Mire and Subsea during the first spark. On the second spark, there's only enough for Power Dash.
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  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I dont have problem with genie skill during dmg test lol. Is even better to show maxed up dmg. About the thing about demons u mention i dont understand b:shutup

    Ty for response :D b:victory
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  • DeepSilence - Dreamweaver
    DeepSilence - Dreamweaver Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I would be interested to see a g16 +12 sin soloing fc :D

    I own a g13 +12 and I can do it in about 20-25 min max and selling it usually takes less then 5 min so I can easily do 2 fc's per hour - I imagine a g15 or r9 can probably do almost 3.

    About max dmg, I can tell you that g13 +12 can do about 22-23k max crits - I don't remember seeing more then that (that's with ss + tm debuffs and enrage).

    P.S. I can usually (if no lag or stuns/freeze) kill bosses like bishop or slash in one spark, mess takes 2.
  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I saw g13+12 too and yes is nice dmg. Still i want see g15+10/12 with SS b:victory
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  • DeepSilence - Dreamweaver
    DeepSilence - Dreamweaver Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I finally updated my g16 to +10 so I made last night a first FC test with them and I must say I wasn't very impressed.

    There isn't much difference between my old g13 + 12 and my new g16 + 10.

    The max damage seems a bit higher, I can crit up to 26k unlike 23k on g13 so about 15% more max dmg. Still the minimum dmg is much lower then g13 and also the base aps is lower: 3.33 unlike 4 aps for g13.

    So overall, it's kinda the same amount of time so no real visible difference in soloing fc => Probably on g16 +12 you can actually see a major improvement.
  • Niteshadows - Harshlands
    Niteshadows - Harshlands Posts: 583 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I personally would not trust my alts in the hands of someone doing a TM79 for me alts. I think they would take my money and kick me.
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  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    What i did was pay one run by one so i can only get scammed by 1,5m or what is price of one run i cant remember actualy.

    And ty DeepSilence for ur post. 26k at g16+10 isnt low is nice dmg. But still is g16 and i want see g15 in action too xD
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  • DeepSilence - Dreamweaver
    DeepSilence - Dreamweaver Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    What i did was pay one run by one so i can only get scammed by 1,5m or what is price of one run i cant remember actualy.

    And ty DeepSilence for ur post. 26k at g16+10 isnt low is nice dmg. But still is g16 and i want see g15 in action too xD

    Well, I can tell you that a g16 + 12 does very well in nirvy. I know a demon hf deicide +10 bm that did some duo runs with a g16 +12 and they did it in like 7-8 mins which is a very nice time for a duo nirvy run.

    I've run myself with g15 in nirvy before and even on a 3 man runs we hardly did it in that time.

    I don't know how much a g15 does in fc but as I run nirvy quite often I can tell you that they can hit for more then 100k with ss/gof + int stats obviously (I know someone that hit ~110k with only +11 refine).

    Running solo fcs is a lot different then nirvy tho as you have less debuffs to help you therefore a lot less dmg.
  • Night$aber - Dreamweaver
    Night$aber - Dreamweaver Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Well, I can tell you that a g16 + 12 does very well in nirvy. I know a demon hf deicide +10 bm that did some duo runs with a g16 +12 and they did it in like 7-8 mins which is a very nice time for a duo nirvy run.

    I've run myself with g15 in nirvy before and even on a 3 man runs we hardly did it in that time.

    I don't know how much a g15 does in fc but as I run nirvy quite often I can tell you that they can hit for more then 100k with ss/gof + int stats obviously (I know someone that hit ~110k with only +11 refine).

    Running solo fcs is a lot different then nirvy tho as you have less debuffs to help you therefore a lot less dmg.

    It seems that you're talking about me and Brivido.Unless ofc there was another group with same gear duoing nirvy in same time,on same server xD.Also i made a mistake when i told you about that,it wasn't a G16+12 it was a R9+12 with about 20 DoTs in gear if i'm not wrong.That should only be about 10% higher damage than a G16+12 without DoTs.

    PS:Come on game and let's nirvy now :P
  • knedl1234
    knedl1234 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    ty for that nice numbers :D i saw g15 +10 do 110k in vana with hf+ amp and no GL so that is quite alot i think and 5aps. But i am thinking about g16 not too. Not sure yet cause my goal is Wep for PVP and PVE, litle more pvp then pve. There is SS/GoF coolest thing.b:pleased

    btw 50m away from g15 xD
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  • Cathulion - Dreamweaver
    Cathulion - Dreamweaver Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    knedl1234 wrote: »
    Belive me it is very nice to sell FC, u get 1,5m per run + exp, TY for video too b:pleased

    Depends on your server. My server has abused selling FC so much FC room prices have gone down to 1M-1.2M.