Common mistakes and solution to them in FC

Colum - Raging Tide
Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
edited May 2013 in Dungeons & Tactics
As we all FCers know, there are many many common mistakes, "fails" and other issues when doing FC. Problems can turn out bad if your squad is beginner with FC, or learned to do it by soloing/watching others solo it.

What are the usual troubles you face when squading in FC?
How could we avoid those situations or help people who do them?
Would we make FCing bit nicer and find a way to work together without frustrating squad member kicks?

It'd be worth to try.

Now to give some start for this topic, here is some main questions.

1. Your FC squad mate, let's say cleric, went afk during run. What others should do? How do you face these situations? How to avoid them?
2. Sin tells he can do the sin pull before Dreadinra aka Bishop boss. Suddenly he pulls to the rock and dies. Other squad members follow, and maybe have no time to react and it causes a squad wipe. What to do?
3. Oh the sweet debuff issues. First cleric casts his physical and magical defense debuffs. Then barb comes in with the strongest physical debuff skill of game - devour. Suddenly mystic interrupts this with his befuddling creeper.

How have you acted in these situations? What kind of issues and problems you have faced in squad FCs? Speak out, suggest, let us find the mighty solution to do smoother FCs and help fellow squadmates kindly.

Discuss.
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  • Lucrecia - Momaganon
    Lucrecia - Momaganon Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Wasnt there already a thread like that? Aw maybe it was for fail squads in all dungeons ...

    To me it happened 3 times that someone started heads before we pulled the mobs ... We did knew who it was, although she didnt apologize or something ...

    1 time we had a experienced sin and some faction mates. They didnt know each other. The sin wanted a bm or seeker to join (Squad was barb (new to fc)+cleric+Mystic+Wiz+Sin) for the big room, so he commanded the wiz who was the leader to search in wc. The Wiz refused. So the sin got a faction mate to join us, lvl 92 bm. He wanted the lead. Still the wiz said "no". So the sin left the squad, and told us "if you want a non fail squad, join me". No one did because the barb was the wizards friend. When we asked the wiz why he refused he said: Because i dont like taking orders.....

    1. If the cleric afks,we dont mind. Im a mystic, and im used to be a healer anyways. Most of the fc squads i was in the cleric was fail anyway and healing was up to me. Just make sure everyone has crabs when theres no 2nd healer, then you should be fine.
    2.It CAN happen. The rock pull is hard and even if it worked 10 times, the 11th time you might fail. If Everyone died and the cleric didnt have a rez scroll or buff, just start over at the beginning. If you cant avoid a squad wipe, just do it the old fashioned way and kill the mobs before the boss.
    3.Thats not that important, just tell them not to overwrite. If the barb is sure to use it while killing a boss, tell the others to use a different plant or to concentrate on healing only if its a cleric.
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  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    At least I didn't find one... If there is, its necroed already I bet.

    Ugh, whenever I am squading with my cleric I get insulted about EVERYTHING (even if I need to quick visit toilet and it takes 1 min). I don't like AFK in instances so I am never gone more than 2 min... Some squads have 5 min rule.. you can afk once 5 mins and after that no AFKs or kick. Kinda rude as some people might really get some emergency issues.

    I once got raged from mystic when I used devour and first kindly asked her not to use befuddling creeper. She refused and said hers is better because it helps casters as well. After I explained how sin demon spark + hf + devour mage the highest damage spikes, mystic told she dislikes cocky people and left the squad. Thus we made FC through without her.

    Recently in 90+ it seems people are too rushy to deal with harpys in last room and squad gets troubled at some point while doing boss. Kinda annoying but I cant help it with barb as my range for those **** isn't enough.

    Also I am kinda workless in FC nowadays. Seekers want to do my pulls. All I do there is buff and devour, meh.
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    #1: I personally don't have patience anymore for the people going AFK constantly, if i have lead and someone go AFK for a pathetic excuse like going take a beer or smoke, i kick.

    #2: More and more people try to find way to do it faster by skipping part and often that result with a mess that finally take more time than if was done normally. There's nothing to do really.

    #3: I have mystic/cleric/veno so i know which debuff is the best.

    I see many mystic trow Befuddling Creeper even if the cleric/barb/veno debuff, the debuff for mystic creeper is really low so i just use it when there no one to debuff, ex: one cleric in a caster squad and he is in BB, i'll use it cause no one else can debuff.

    If really the mystic want to use a plant they should use Spidervine when there's class that have better debuff.

    Normally i just say to don't do it cause the other class debuff is better and if the person continue to do it i just don't care.
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  • Slegtst - Dreamweaver
    Slegtst - Dreamweaver Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    #1: I personally don't have patience anymore for the people going AFK constantly, if i have lead and someone go AFK for a pathetic excuse like going take a beer or smoke, i kick.

    I so agree on this. Emergency, fine, but making the choice to go afk to do something you can do after the run is over gets you kicked if i have lead.

    "Ok, gonna put on follow and go eat dinner."

    *kick*
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    urm, i completely agree for long/repeated afks but i dont think it's a big deal to go grap a drink (30sec tops)...
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  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    IMO drinking a beer/many beers is however not good when running fc... Had few times drunk guys there and the run was a mess.
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  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Now again we face this lovely problem - I got insulted by not tanking the bosses in FC, where we had lvl 98 sin, other sin, me as puller and of course healer and AOE DDs.

    Well, cleric stated I should tank more. I told her I am not aps - I will not begin an aggrofight with 2 sins, and I'd rather focus on timing my devour after demon sparks and HF.

    " I have never seen sins tank bosses "
    Seriously?

    Seems FC 80+ and 90+ differ from each other too much nowadays.
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  • Lucrecia - Momaganon
    Lucrecia - Momaganon Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I had some funny fc runs yesterday ...
    After one run, where the cleric decides to dd and i was the one healing (Mystic) i thought it couldnt come worser ....

    The 2nd run was Mystic,Veno,BM (from my fac) , Barb, Cleric. (Were in a different fac), sin

    While we were waiting for the cleric, the sin wanted to do the shades at the beginning. She wanted a barb buff, the barb refused. He didnt want to buff twice when the cleric was there)
    So she did the shades and began to clear the halls, so we decided to help. The barb shouts: "Wait for the CLERIC damn!" ... (We just killed the mobs at the beginning, not the ones in the bigger room and everything went smooth..)
    So we waited.

    At the 2nd boss, the sin took the quest so the boss could unfrozen.
    Barb shouts: "WTF Sin STOP attacking my mobs! (She didnt get the aggro of any mob cause she wasnt even near them) Lucrecia, Veno and BM stop attacking! Im pulling youre JUST DDs to support me and stand behind me!!!!" (Veno got aggro because the barb pulled the Shade to the mobs, not the mobs to the shade...)

    The barb decided that he will pull him because he wants to go afk. Cleric and me were waiting in the halls so we could clean them till boss is unfrozen. My faction mates didnt understand that because theyre german, what is normal on a german server. So i try to translate. It worked well without the barb.

    3rd boss: Barb tried a rock pull, missed 10% of the mobs and the "slow" cleric got the aggro. She couldnt get up to the rock so we just killed the 3 mobs. While doing that, Barb decides to help but gets Aggro of the boss too early.

    The pull after that was the point where I started to think: Is he really that fail? Sin goes stealth to the next shade, so the barb could pull both halls. We all knew that. What happened barb pulled the mobs to the sin, who was pissed. She said: WHY did you pull already? Im not magic i cant kill a shade in 2 hits!
    Barbs answer: it was your fault you should have typed that youre doing shades earlier ...

    Next hall, barb pulled all the mobs - to Runewolf. Nearly squadwipe, he died but did want the cleric to rez, although he had a rez buff. That all while we poooor fail dds killed the mobs alone.

    At the least boss, barb is pissed of because the cleric did use AoE heal 2 times.
    I told him: She might use AoE heal, only attacks count.
    He: no she might not no AoE.
    Me: I used it and nothing happened,, together with vital herb what was ok as well!
    He: No no AoE.

    After that run, i would have pked him if he had been in pk mode.

    I mean, im okay if someone telling me im doing something wrong. Im still learning and we all make mistakes. But making Mistakes and acting like a pro at the same time ..b:angry
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  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Yea... 80+ squads are.... interesting.

    I do not mention names here.

    Squad: All random people. I was cleric lvl 81, others were barb 81, psy 88, seeker 78, psy 86, sin 86.

    The only one experienced in FC was me, though the higher psy seemed to know something as well. Rest had 1-2 FC runs completed before ours, and sin was also doing well thought had a lack of experience.

    However, things didnt go well.

    At first when I buffed and sin went solo shades, barb suddenly pulled first 3 groups bbefore I was ready with chi. I refused to heal, waited him die and others run back. I explained I cannot set BB without chi, and he went back to town.
    Ok, new try, we did small pull to last shade. First boss went very slowly, I was the only one debuffing the boss. I spammed EP, TM and my debuffs as much as I could and kept the barb alive. Some point he forgot tanking, psy got aggro and I managed to keep her alive until barb had aggro back. Boss done.
    Magic pull.. awful. Again no waiting for my BB, barb messes, and tried to pull 5 groups at once - barb and psy wiped. Seeker went to clean mobs group per group and I could res the dead. Rest of the pull was ok, though seeker did not vortex at all.

    Elementos. They tried to do both sides, I told to focus on 1 and they didnt again debuff elementos at all. Luckily we got boss to tough. Seeker almost refused to wait the 2 mins when glitching. I managed to keep rest wait before attacking.

    Then barb tried to pull 1 mob group and bishop group. I had busy time healing and got aggro. Didn't die, charm tick, managed to keep squad alive. Next **** groups went smooth. Sin made the sin pull extremely well and it was his first time - I really do appreciate him.
    Bishop boss went down VERY slowly, again only I debuffed. In the end everyone except barb had lost their buffs, and 2 bishies appeared each time. Had hard time healing. No deaths.
    Then, rigt after boss dies, barb goes to half pull before even shade was killed. We followed him, managed to do half pull and hoped he wont engage bishops. He didn't but when he noticed not dead shade, he turned back and went to pull to bishop boss room.... squad wipe. All ressed except sin who was alive and went to deal shade. After that half pull was kinda fine, except seeker again refused to vortex.

    Lower lvl psychic left, and we got another seeker, experienced one, to run with us. Thank God.
    Another half of the pull went smooth as new seeker vortexed. I PMed her and told that squad isnt familiar with FC and we might face more problems. Why I even said that... We INDEED got more problems.
    Runewolf. Barb died due to aoe once, he went down really slow, earlier seeker was afk. Boss down, we continue, kill shade and move on next boss. Sleep boss goes smooth until the new seeker goes to pull. The earlier seeker did not AoE mobs she brought - I died when group healing after Messenger's aoe. Sin and seeker die as well. I res with seeker, we come back, I res sin and we continue to last room.
    Shade and mobs before last room.. Barb pulls, I'm setting BB, and he does not roar. I die. Again back to town, running, thinking it might turn better.

    Last boss. We were fine until 400k was left. Psychic AoEd and replica exploded. I die. Walk back. Die again because lack of barb buff. Walk back. Die because lag and hand following me. Walk back and dead barb realised to res and buff me and experienced seeker tanked it to end. When boss died and his replica ran away, unexperienced seeker ranged it. I died AGAIN, walked back, ressed everyone who died. Buffed, got chi to everyone, told barb to pull.
    Yeah, he did pull, allthough he messed with the mobs and first didnt pull all, then went back and took the rest and we were afraid mobs would reset. He pulled to us, didnt roar, luckily seeker was able to tank them as she vortexed.

    So yeah.. Havent had this interesting FC in a bit.
    b:shocked Let's see what next.
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  • JinxRake - Momaganon
    JinxRake - Momaganon Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Had an interesting FC run yesterday as well, mainly because of huge lags and the Runewolf boss that couldn't be arsed to shout his entire little speech before AoEing. We got first wipe there because he AoEed right at Super and we were just running away from him.
    Second time, same thing, didn't have time to react to him.

    And by the way, noob asking, what's the sin pull in FC? Of all the runs I've done I've never been asked to do a sin pull of any kind, it's always the barb or the seekers that do it.
  • laloner
    laloner Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Had an interesting FC run yesterday as well, mainly because of huge lags and the Runewolf boss that couldn't be arsed to shout his entire little speech before AoEing. We got first wipe there because he AoEed right at Super and we were just running away from him.
    Second time, same thing, didn't have time to react to him.

    And by the way, noob asking, what's the sin pull in FC? Of all the runs I've done I've never been asked to do a sin pull of any kind, it's always the barb or the seekers that do it.

    I think its the pull to the rock. The sin pulls and then stealths and they go back.
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  • Lucrecia - Momaganon
    Lucrecia - Momaganon Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited August 2012

    Lower lvl psychic left, and we got another seeker, experienced one, to run with us. Thank God.
    Another half of the pull went smooth as new seeker vortexed. I PMed her and told that squad isnt familiar with FC and we might face more problems. Why I even said that... We INDEED got more problems.
    Runewolf. Barb died due to aoe once, he went down really slow, earlier seeker was afk. Boss down, we continue, kill shade and move on next boss. Sleep boss goes smooth until the new seeker goes to pull. The earlier seeker did not AoE mobs she brought - I died when group healing after Messenger's aoe. Sin and seeker die as well. I res with seeker, we come back, I res sin and we continue to last room.
    Shade and mobs before last room.. Barb pulls, I'm setting BB, and he does not roar. I die. Again back to town, running, thinking it might turn better.

    Last boss. We were fine until 400k was left. Psychic AoEd and replica exploded. I die. Walk back. Die again because lack of barb buff. Walk back. Die because lag and hand following me. Walk back and dead barb realised to res and buff me and experienced seeker tanked it to end. When boss died and his replica ran away, unexperienced seeker ranged it. I died AGAIN, walked back, ressed everyone who died. Buffed, got chi to everyone, told barb to pull.
    Yeah, he did pull, allthough he messed with the mobs and first didnt pull all, then went back and took the rest and we were afraid mobs would reset. He pulled to us, didnt roar, luckily seeker was able to tank them as she vortexed.

    Nearly the same happened to me xD Alhtough i was the seeker there with 7 k hp buffed at lvl 87 xD at last boss squad died like 10 times and i tanked him + hands alone with crab meat + charm xD I told the sin who was coming back with cleric to care for the hands if they spawn at him while ressing, but we had a hard time . (Other sin had left us at sleep boss because the barb was a newbie).
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  • CritCat - Archosaur
    CritCat - Archosaur Posts: 608 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    1. Your FC squad mate, let's say cleric, went afk during run. What others should do? How do you face these situations? How to avoid them?
    Depends if they said what they were going afk for or not. If not 5 minutes then boot, FC squad LF cleric half-way through almost full squad!
    2. Sin tells he can do the sin pull before Dreadinra aka Bishop boss. Suddenly he pulls to the rock and dies. Other squad members follow, and maybe have no time to react and it causes a squad wipe. What to do?
    Ask him/her to not do that anymore, leader decides whether or not to try again or go group by group.
    3. Oh the sweet debuff issues. First cleric casts his physical and magical defense debuffs. Then barb comes in with the strongest physical debuff skill of game - devour. Suddenly mystic interrupts this with his befuddling creeper.

    If it's not nirvana debuffs, I don't care. As long as the boss dies fast enough, and none of us die, It's really not an issue.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    3. Oh the sweet debuff issues. First cleric casts his physical and magical defense debuffs. Then barb comes in with the strongest physical debuff skill of game - devour. Suddenly mystic interrupts this with his befuddling creeper.

    Except, of course, barbs don't have the strongest physical debuff skill in the game... devour's just more reliable than the strongest physical (and, in the case of the myriad rainbows, magical) debuff skills, all of which are venomancer skills, and all of which have a lowish percent chance to proc. (demon ironwood scarab, myriad rainbow, myriad rainbow foxform)
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    And by the way, noob asking, what's the sin pull in FC? Of all the runs I've done I've never been asked to do a sin pull of any kind, it's always the barb or the seekers that do it.

    Sin pull = lvl 100 + , 4~5 aps sin with +5 or higher refined weapon. Fcc done in 10~15 minutes b:chuckle = sin pull in my books.
  • EmoGummi - Raging Tide
    EmoGummi - Raging Tide Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Sin pull is where the sin pulls the mobs at Bishop boss so the squad can get through, then he goes invis so they reset. Or you can do rock pull there.

    Btw, best fail story right here. I did FC on my sin months ago when she was lvl 80, we was in a lvl 80s squad, and couldnt find a puller, so a lvl 101 R9 seeker((full R9 gear)) decided to pull for us ((we were noobs and didnt think about the exp nerf, just thought about heads)). Well, anyways this seeker died on every pull we did, and he even did half pulls on the last room and still died, leaving our 84 seeker to vortex the groups for us. Everyone did their job perfect except the R9 seeker. See on the pulls he used his AoE skills but didn't vortex first, only after hitting 2 other aoes.

    I decided to pm him afterwards, figure out wtf that was. Turns out he goon glitched to 101 and just bought R9. So he had no idea how to use his character. I'd say name but i don't want to make him look silly now. Since he is currently lvl 103 and has apparently finally gotten better at his class.
  • Raziyal - Archosaur
    Raziyal - Archosaur Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Only problem i fac ein fc is people asking for bloody seekers ALL THE TIME!


    I'm an old time player with many 100+ charecters and i use to run fc with all the origanal classes before sins and seekers poped out, i just get bothered with people asking for a seeker saying we can't pull if we don't have one, even when you have a BM and a Venos ParaNova or even a barb with roar and invoke.
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  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I hate it so much too when people are like:
    " we need 2 sins because its faster " or " get seeker no wiz plz " or " kick that veno out "
    Geez! I take every ******n veno I see into my squad! They deserve a chance to FC as well.

    ---

    Other story here now. I did FC yesterday so I do not remember all things clearly

    This wasn't as bad fail as my earlier story but it still bugged me a bit.

    Again I was on my cleric. We had also lvl 89 barb without demon/sage path, lvl 84 and 80 sin (the 80 one couldnt solo any shade), 87 seeker and 88 BM if I remember right

    Firstly.. At the very first shade the barb raged at me when I tanked the shade and 2 snowy familiars with him. He raged I should heal the party, not attack. Lol, I was tanking the whole thing, and if someone dies at THAT part, I laugh really hardly.

    First pull-1st boss-2nd pull-2nd boss were kinda fine.

    At the sin pull part the 84 sin grabbed bishop boss along, and we had to start fighting immediately with the mobs attacking us as well. No wipe luckily.

    Huge pull was ok...

    Runewolf went bad. Both sins, BM, barb and even seeker kept dying all the time. I ressed more than healed. Then they QQ about being too close rune and scream that they hate the boss. Ugh.

    Rest went ok except we did bosses really slowly. BM didnt know when to HF, seeker didnt debuff, barb didnt devour, none used genie debuffs. Other sin and BM kept AFKing during sleep boss.

    I will have interesting times with my cleric I assume.
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  • Korpinsulka - Raging Tide
    Korpinsulka - Raging Tide Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Arrogant idiot barbs ftw

    Our first barb got mad when he died at mag pull (did half, he HOLY PATHED the whole freaking way and shouted at my cleric for not getting there in time and res him. I of course holy pathed as well x2 but since I don't usually run in barb speed otherwise, I didn't have a chance. He left).
    Not to mention this barb said he is aps build (didnt have fists but he had 8k buffed at lvl 90......)

    Then the second barb we got after we killed 2nd boss. Well, this barb did fairly good job most of the time except in last room he started to be a bytch. I told him that if I die for some reason, I'll need barb buff before I come near boss (2,7k hp unbuffed).
    Archer lagged and didnt kill hand - I died along one sin. Ok, I res, walk back as fast as I can and other squad waits me. Barb refuses to come buff me and excepts me to res the dead sin. I wish the boss won't AoE, go try, die again, sin remains dead and need to walk again.
    Sin shouts for ress, we tell I died again (had charm on). Barb starts to QQ how his charm ****, and kills the boss because doesn't want to wait. I tell him he shouldnt cry that much because I loose exp every single time I die, and I don't mind it but others crying for such little thing is feeling awkward. I continue that my own barb looses much more charm per day as his BHs are harder and you just need to stand it or not use charms.
    Barb blames I should refine higher, shard better (I used flawless shards on every gear and some refines though). I was like oh well, I don't mind dying.

    Ok, at the big pull seeker's vortex sstopped for some reason, and barb died. Again he cries about charm **** and blames that we did nothing to save him.
    I res and buff him, we start heads and I put RB on. Others go kill heads, barb sits near my RB. I ask him why he isn't killing, he says that as we stood and watched him die, he watches as we give him exp.
    I kicked him out of the squad and he WCed not to FC with my cleric, rofl.

    ... With the lack of clerics nowadays that threat isn't huge, eh?
  • Fissile - Archosaur
    Fissile - Archosaur Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The problem with FC is that nowadays most people plevel their way all the way up to 80+ and this is their first real experience playing their class. If you join random squads then you just have to live with it. Of course these same people that obviously don't know what they are doing get overly defensive when you suggest they do something differently.

    My solution is just to find some people who know what they are doing and add them to your friend list and just play with the same people. Once you get in the mid 80's it is possible to run it in 3 or 4-person squads. I've gotten my seeker to 90 now (from 81) running with my 2 friends (a mystic and assassin). We get way more experience that way anyway. Did the same thing on my wizard (cleric/sin/wiz squad).
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  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    This next story was a bit fail for everyone's part - not really one's fault, it's just... teamwork didn't go right.

    We had my cleric, 75 veno (guildie first time in FC), 78 mystic, 85 seeker 80 sin and 82 barb.

    Seeker's lvl 102 sin soloed us through to second boss to make it quicker. He asked if he continues with us to 3rd boss to make it smoother, I said IMO 75-85 squad can do it by themselves very well. Ok so he switched to his seeker.

    Didn't go well.

    Something failed at sin pull - fish died, and someone gathered mobs to the room and started attacking boss. We slightly wiped and restarted the whole thing, barb pulled me through the mobs and rock pulled, all the sudden he didnt pull all mobs, he seemed to want that I'd BB at rock and he would attack boss and mobs and we should kill mob groups, bishies and all at same time - heck no. I refused and said I want a normal rock pull, and IH + chromatic healed boss, no additional mobs. Barb left.

    Ok we decided to put seeker tank when we get a DD to cover barb. I focused on finding a DD (was multiclienting and looking for people on my main), seeker attacked boss. I noticed in on cleric, couldnt save squad though as I tried to focus on too many things at same time. Sin lost his nerves and left as well. Seeker brought his sin to kill Drea and then he had to leave.

    Result = I had to bring my barb, kicked my cleric out and I soloed the rest for my friend and mystic.
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  • Korpinsulka - Raging Tide
    Korpinsulka - Raging Tide Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Lol I was in FC with this 86 cler. We got 2 88 sins, other didnt speak rly good english.. and 8x BM + good 8x psychic.

    We didn't have luck with barb at first so we cleaned it all to 2nd boss. We got a random brazilian kitty. He was totally new in fc so we told the br sin to teach him. Bishop goes just fine. The pull after ****.. Barb didnt take all mobs and ran straight to rune room without taking mobs from long hall. I had mistimed holy path and all of DDs + me arrive too late -> squadwipe. The other sin was gone for while and came back at this point. Barb and br sin ragequitted squad because we died.

    This other sin brought his seeker and it was a solo run to end. -.-
  • hiddenmonkey
    hiddenmonkey Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    1. When someone says they are new/rusty and asks a question....
    S1. LOL in their face and call them a noob
    S2. Call them a plvl baby and kick them
    S3. Vaguely describe the situation with as little information as possible like saying first boss is no problem and failing to mention the exploding runes

    S4. ACTUALLY EXPLAIN **** WITH A DEGREE OF INFORMATION THAT WOULD PROVE USEFUL!

    Seriously, my first time in FF was terrible. And often anywhere I go or do things. Someone tells me to watch out for Runewolfs aoe, no one explained it was extremely lethal or to watch for the specific text in a certain chat type.

    Really all FF problems run across the board for any givin situation, not just that instance.
  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Puller going to do big pull when others don't have chi... -__-'''
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  • mrcharlytoo
    mrcharlytoo Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Level 9x sin helping out in BH59. Pulls a stack of the exploding mobs and comes running back towards rest of squad, which includes the cleric.

    I think "argh, the mobs will blow up and kill cleric", so jump in with my Seeker, spam aoe and kill the mobs - which kills me and the sin.

    Sin then explains that they'd arranged with cleric that the cleric would fall back and IH him alone so others (including me) could range attack.

    Great tactic - if they'd told us first . . .
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Level 9x sin helping out in BH59. Pulls a stack of the exploding mobs and comes running back towards rest of squad, which includes the cleric.

    I think "argh, the mobs will blow up and kill cleric", so jump in with my Seeker, spam aoe and kill the mobs - which kills me and the sin.

    Sin then explains that they'd arranged with cleric that the cleric would fall back and IH him alone so others (including me) could range attack.

    Great tactic - if they'd told us first . . .

    It's a thread about FC not bh. xD
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  • mrcharlytoo
    mrcharlytoo Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    soz - didn't read title clearly enough
  • StellaNova - Raging Tide
    StellaNova - Raging Tide Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Had a few runs in FC - with this bm or my low lvl barb, 2 Sins and a Veno or cleric - yeah the sins was running charms - hyper runs, only died once as being too slow to react on the aoe, but no probs at all.

    Been there with a mixed but chatotic squad no team work and almost some squad wipes - Barb did rockpull, while others where still was fighting and so on.

    About Venos and FC, I think some squads forget that venos got a nice little skill called amplify, used right it can be quite effective. Been in a squad where the Veno got pretty much talked down to all the time, almost rage quit the squad, but didn't as I choose to support the veno instead.

    but a squad with 2 sins lvl 100/101 - lvl 85 Veno and my lvl 84 bm quite fun runs and fsat boss kills - Amplify - demon sparkx2 + hf = fast killing
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  • _Shui - Harshlands
    _Shui - Harshlands Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    You do rock pulls over there in your server in FC? o.O
    On Harshlands we do that completly different.
    Squad just waits at the pull before bishops boss.
    Sin stealthls, goes to boss, hits boss once, stealth again, lures boss back to us.
    Then we just kill it there before pull starts.
  • Colum - Raging Tide
    Colum - Raging Tide Posts: 1,696 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    @ Shui, that is something I've never tried. Don't mobs follow?
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