Wait What?

Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm sure if they see those as hurting our version more than helping it they can get the ok to withhold or remove those changes.

Look what they did with the "TW change" they didn't prevent it they only reduced the impact of it. We can hope but probably won't happen if this is all true.

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I call BS. There were ALOT more drops "back then than there are now". And once the dqs npc for a COIN, it will be a hellva lot harder to get coin for skills/gear.(for a new player)


They didnt have jones blessings until i was in my late 90s maybe even level 100.
Archers are not expensive to level.

Sell to players then. People still need those DQ for bank slots and other uses besides NPC which you get more coin from selling from a player ONTOP of the fact that the coin received from quests will be getting a boost. Spirit will be more of a problem then coin will as always.

And I will disagree and say you didn't do the quests on your own or at your level then. I was scarfing HP pots like no other.

I'm not the only one that sees the OP linking to a post from another player in another thread, where this post is just a bunch of quotes from outta nowhere it seems, am I? I don't know why I question the source on this topic, seems so legit.

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jimbillybob46310 wrote: »

Yes HP/MP pots i used mostly were mob drops.
Please Jen i know im a stone face but look at the join date.
I know all about playing this game before BLESSINGS and EASY MODE were installed.

I don't count forum join date as anything regarding ingame content Jimbo. Because that's a very inaccurate thing to go by in both directions for when you started playing. I had almost no HP pots from drops and was almost always spending it at the apothecary NPC for better HP pots to survive the stronger mobs I was up against.
I'm not saying that you don't know what you're talking about more then it's from my personal experience.

I had a much easier time making a barb during low levels then my archer. It flippped around 60-70s.

Good old days when decomposing 3*s for mirages was actually worth it.....

Only time now is when its OHT....

jimbillybob46310 wrote: »

Well jimbos been active since SEPT 08.
You know full well i played without blessings.
Also forums were an after thought to playing the game back then for me that why the join date here is later. Im a stone face cause i never cared to learn how to post my avitar.
But in any case i speak only from my own experiances as a barb and at low lvls its was HARD and expensive.

I remember when the Blessing first came out for Thanksgiving I believe it was. My friend and I started playing togeather I was archer he was a barb. I remember him saying how his repair bills sucked but I don't remember him complaining about coin. Though he quickly learned to merchant as he was always looking for the easiest way to make money without using the CS where I was always the hardcore farmer/grinder types.

I don't think the 8 hour farming limitation that will be implemented in the CN version is to control botting, but to regulate the amount of time people spend playing the game. As most probably already have heard, an 18 year old kid died from playing a recently released mmo game in Taiwan for more than 20 hours straight. This has been a growing problem and concern in a lot of Asian countries.

From an over seas news broadcast I've seen a few weeks ago (not sure if it was in China or Taiwan), the Chinese government is trying restrict the amount of game time for MMOs by passing laws and regulations to game companies effective this August. All as an effort to control child obesity problem, and raising academic, social, and moral standards.

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Translation from a faction mate who reads Chinese. From the CN patch notes. Weeks ago.

Nice avatar.

b:lipcurl Alright then, since i dont talk chinese I concede.

ya it is nice avatar, i like it so much that i also use it on the off site factions forums

i know you're not implying any hate with the comment, coz mines is legit yo

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KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Tbh. as a low level most of my coin wasn't from DQ at all and I had an ARCHER the hardest and most expensive class to level up in the low levels back then. Barb coming in at a close second. I'm talking strictly low levels (under 60) which this DQ change will effect. The last DQ nerf PWE implemented the DQ rewards system to balance it out as we don't have a very big bot issue. As for the 8 hour farming a day thing I like it. It helps people with addiction problems. and let's be realistic. WHO actually FARMS 8 hours nonstop in 1 day besides the addicts during x2?

The only gripe I would have is the change to the AEU rewards, which PWE will probably add something to balance it out as well.

Edit: I'm pretty sure it's ingame time just like hypers.

You can't know if its in-game time or not. So saying it's a good thing without knowing something that basic is a little shortsighted. And cutting the game time short of one character on a true addict isn't going to stop them from playing. What will do is be a constant source of annoyance especially when so many people just do their bh and then leave their characters afk and go do whatever. That person joins your squad and your whole run is ruined, w/o you having done anything wrong. Then there are those with disabilities who play, who actually do go in-and-out for 8 hours a day on the game because they can't do much else. Or people who just want to blow off a weekend and play during 2x. Point being that there is a ton of legitimate reasons why someones timer would be out, and not only does that timer affect them, it affects you too.


To me the dq price nerf is the worst thing to happen in a very long time. I've been playing newbies lately. There isn't as many FC recruitments so they are doing BHs. It takes about as long to find a BH as a full delta, but I can still get it done. I talked to them. They are doing their quests and grinding for coins primarily. A new player isn't going to know to save his dq items because the bank can be expanded and maybe he should merchant them. And if they were to magically know this, and all of them did merchant those items for money. Then the supply would go up a lot, the demand would go down a lot, and the prices would plummet anyway. The same way low level tt mats are worth at lot less now. Only this will be worse than because every single last new player will have to rely on it, or spending money. And I don't know many people willing to already spend that much money on basic things for a supposedly f2p play game. At that level range DQ items are the primary revenue source. Even if it wasn't your primary revenue source.

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's like they are shooting themselves in the foot to get rid of the ant crawling on it.

This^

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

How the HECK a low level / new player its supposed to make the minium amount of money required for skills/pots/teleports/etc. if you're cutting to ZERO the 90% money source for lower levels? this is MAD



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Dude 90% in pw are alts and have coin

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You've obviously never tried leveling an archer at a low/mid level.

Not only are we squishy as hell. Our damage sucks major balls at a low level. We are almost forced to use a charm to survive things around our level range and in some cases below our level range.

Archers advantage is range and crit. At low levels we have neither.

Barbs on the other hand sure their damage isn't so hot either but they have a very nice defense and hp value in their favor and accuracy isn't quite that big of a deal at low levels yet.

It is true that archers have the toughest time during low / mid levels (till 48ish), now with this what I am hearing, if that is true, then all new players that likes playing archer won't touch this game unless they CS right after they reach level 10. They can't make coins at all other than mats to other players which is really rare...

Also I agree with berserk, this "botting issue" seems like a lie to me, even though I never NPC those DQ anymore because I use 20/31 for bank and 41/51 for dq and the higher ones for DP. I find this ridiculous and will not recommend this game to anyone because PWE had to be greedy/stubborn, the best way to stop the botters is to prevent people from buying gold through coins via AH... but no. They rather nerf rates and drops, where everyone else have to waste their time for nothing.

Wow. I seriously hope some of these changes are not implemented and are only rumors.

I feel a lot of ragequitting coming... I don't rely on DQ items for a living, but I find them useful even for the bit of cash they get to me. Anti-botting solutions should NOT penalize every user in the game, at least, not this way. It's, as other people said, greedy from the company, and I definitely won't recommend this game, even if I still play.

I have mixed feelings for the meditation bit. One one hand... exp for higher levels. On the other hand... as if we didn't have enough of powerleveling. Guess we'll see how available it is.

My 1st char back in Feb 2009 was an archer, and most of my money did come from DQ. That was because grinding DQ was the most obvious way to make money for a new player who hadn't explored the rest of the game.
When I made my cleric a year later, almost none of my money came from DQ since I knew what else was out there.

Overall, my cleric cost more upkeep than my archer. But thats probably due to the mana/pot issues many arcanes face at low lvls. I could also get away with not maxing my skills on archer, whereas my heal skills/buffs had to be maxed asap on cleric.


The only people I see this update affecting is super-dooper-serious farmers and newbies. Thats if they have the clock going in-game only though.