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    Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited August 2012 in General Discussion
    Based on these rumors/news-->
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=17411021&postcount=92

    4. low lvl dqs 21/31/41 now will only be npced for 1 coin

    Wait,WHAT? b:angry

    Someone tell me that this is just a sick joke,and I meant it ! >.<
    The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    Post edited by BerserkBeast - Sanctuary on

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    • Posts: 353 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      What about the 8 hour farming one that one sounds **** as well. I can't see them adding those to our version it would kill the game or at least a lot of people would quit.
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      Sidwinder-HT
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      How the HECK a low level / new player its supposed to make the minium amount of money required for skills/pots/teleports/etc. if you're cutting to ZERO the 90% money source for lower levels? this is MAD



      b:angry
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 2,461 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Another Anti-bot Chinese implementation. Nothing new here.
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    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Anti-bot my *** <-- b:angry this is a 100% death assured for any new player b:angry

      SHUT DOWN THE WHOLE >o,o< GAME IF YOU CAN'T FIND A SERIOUS WAY TO DEAL WITH BOTS

      **rages**
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 534 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

      "1. each character is only allowed to farm 8 hours a day, after the 8 hours timer ends, you will not receive any exp/spirit/coin/drops (timer starts after you deliver any hits to mobs or being hit by any) any person in the squad with farming timer at 0 landing any hits on boss/mob will also result in not dropping anything at all (only instance not affected by the timer is RB)

      :

      That one right there would be the one that would make me stop playing.

      So, i hop on at midnite, pick up bh and complete it, log off until noon. When i get back on to do my moria/oht dailys and do a lil grind... i get.. nothing.. yea.. i hope that ones a sick joke, because its a bit pointless to play if im not getting ANYTHING in return for playing but bh chips.b:surrender

      And I could give a rats *** about meditating for xp.. How much that going to get me at my level.
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      The timer thing doesn't frustrate me much IF THE FREAKING 8 hours are actual IN-GAME hours and not total hours.

      But when the first 2x drop will come with these limitations people will rage way more than Im doing now b:angry
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 2,461 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
      Anti-bot my *** <-- b:angry this is a 100% death assured for any new player b:angry

      Tbh. as a low level most of my coin wasn't from DQ at all and I had an ARCHER the hardest and most expensive class to level up in the low levels back then. Barb coming in at a close second. I'm talking strictly low levels (under 60) which this DQ change will effect. The last DQ nerf PWE implemented the DQ rewards system to balance it out as we don't have a very big bot issue. As for the 8 hour farming a day thing I like it. It helps people with addiction problems. and let's be realistic. WHO actually FARMS 8 hours nonstop in 1 day besides the addicts during x2?

      The only gripe I would have is the change to the AEU rewards, which PWE will probably add something to balance it out as well.

      Edit: I'm pretty sure it's ingame time just like hypers.
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      Ty Fon for the Siggy <3

      The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Ermm can you tell me then which was your main source of coins at low levels if wasn't the DQ drops? -- and I don't believe its the equips 'cause Im pretty sure random equipment drops were at most 20% of the total income.
      (I have 2 alts to farm low level DQs and I have a certain idea of what Im saying)
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 534 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      If its a total of 8 hrs a day , thats one thing, but the way I read it, it sounds to me like once you land a hit the timer starts, and most of the other timers in game count down when your logged off...
    • Posts: 1,497 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      Tbh. as a low level most of my coin wasn't from DQ at all and I had an ARCHER the hardest and most expensive class to level up in the low levels back then. Barb coming in at a close second. I'm talking strictly low levels (under 60) which this DQ change will effect. The last DQ nerf PWE implemented the DQ rewards system to balance it out as we don't have a very big bot issue. As for the 8 hour farming a day thing I like it. It helps people with addiction problems. and let's be realistic. WHO actually FARMS 8 hours nonstop in 1 day besides the addicts during x2?

      The only gripe I would have is the change to the AEU rewards, which PWE will probably add something to balance it out as well.

      Edit: I'm pretty sure it's ingame time just like hypers.

      Almost all of my farmed coin back in the day from those levels was pure DQ. Like it was a "WOOT" every time you got one to drop.

      *raises hand* Hi I'm Maelael, and I'm an addict during 2x that farms for more than 8 hours.

      Mostly the concern is for the people who log on, do a bit of farming, then come back several hours later (I do this on the weekend).

      We'll see if it gets put in or not.
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    • Posts: 2,461 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
      Ermm can you tell me then which was your main source of coins at low levels if wasn't the DQ drops? -- and I don't believe its the equips 'cause Im pretty sure random equipment drops were at most 20% of the total income.
      (I have 2 alts to farm low level DQs and I have a certain idea of what Im saying)

      I picked up everything. If I knew it had value (such as mats for blacksmith/tailor/craft/etc) I sold then to cat shops instead of just npcing them. You'd be surprised how much using a little common sense can go a long way. It around my late 40s I realized the true potential in Buy/Selling. So I set catshosp out in the field buying the mats dirt cheap to the people too lazy to hold them to sell in arch but made it worth more then NPCs. And then resold them in Arch later. THAT was 80% of my profits. Not the DQ drops.


      And again I'm pretty sure the timer will ingame just like hypers.
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      Ty Fon for the Siggy <3

      The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute
    • Posts: 0 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      LOL im just curious WTH an archer was more expensive to lvl than a barb?
      Was you punching mobs or what?
      IJS b:laugh
    • Posts: 450 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
      Based on these rumors/news-->
      http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=17411021&postcount=92

      4. low lvl dqs 21/31/41 now will only be npced for 1 coin

      Wait,WHAT? b:angry

      Someone tell me that this is just a sick joke,and I meant it ! >.<

      They also give you more coins for quest rewards for compensation, so that's ok with me. Selling low lvl dq items to npc is stupid anyway because you can always sell them for more in catshops - because ppl need them to increase their banker safe size.

      I would also not have a problem with the 8h-rule when the timer would stop when you log out. But I'm afraid it will keep running :(
    • Posts: 2,461 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      jimbillybob46310 wrote: »
      LOL im just curious WTH an archer was more expensive to lvl than a barb?
      Was you punching mobs or what?
      IJS b:laugh

      You've obviously never tried leveling an archer at a low level.

      Not only are we squishy as hell. Our damage sucks major balls at a low level. We are almost forced to use a charm to survive things around our level range and in some cases below our level range.

      Archers advantage is range and crit. At low levels we have neither.

      Barbs on the other hand sure their damage isn't so hot either but they have a very nice defense and hp value in their favor and accuracy isn't quite that big of a deal at low levels yet.
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      Ty Fon for the Siggy <3

      The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Well if you put it that way -- merchanting -- then you can rightfully state that DQ drops are 0,0001% of your income and you would still be absolutely right.

      But how many players actually merchant?,and how the heck a new player its supposed to be good at merchanting on a new game he just started on?,you're probably an intelligent person but most of people out there don't have half of your brain,and most importantly,I've never heard of a game that forces you to merchant right at the start pretending you have any idea of what you're doing as a new player.

      Merchanting its for people that already have an idea of the game,on what to buy and what not and at what prices...you can't ask new players to merchant,they would just **** this game and go play something else.
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 2,461 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
      Well if you put it that way -- merchanting -- then you can rightfully state that DQ drops are 0,0001% of your income and you would still be absolutely right.

      But how many players actually merchant?,and how the heck a new player its supposed to be good at merchanting on a new game he just started on?,you're probably an intelligent person but most of people out there don't have half of your brain,and most importantly,I've never heard of a game that forces you to merchant right at the start pretending you have any idea of what you're doing as a new player.

      Merchanting its for people that already have an idea of the game,on what to buy and what not and at what prices...you can't ask new players to merchant,they would just **** this game and go play something else.

      Well lets see what the quest reward coin gain change is. If it's a big enough increase it won't matter as quests can pretty much supply enough coin and quests to level until you're in your 60s if done right anyways.
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      Ty Fon for the Siggy <3

      The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute
    • Posts: 534 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Its not intended to make them merch. Its intended to make them cashshop.
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
      If its a total of 8 hrs a day , thats one thing, but the way I read it, it sounds to me like once you land a hit the timer starts, and most of the other timers in game count down when your logged off...

      No actually its either you land an hit on a mob OR THE MOB LAND AND IT ON YOU lol its soo lame
      Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
      Its not intended to make them merch. Its intended to make them cashshop.

      How surprising \o,o/
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 2,461 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
      Its not intended to make them merch. Its intended to make them cashshop.

      It's intended to stop the botting and overflow of ingame coin from all the bots in the other versions which ours doesn't have..... nothing to do with the cash shop... b:bye
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      Ty Fon for the Siggy <3

      The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute
    • Posts: 353 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      It's intended to stop the botting and overflow of ingame coin from all the bots in the other versions which ours doesn't have..... nothing to do with the cash shop... b:bye

      Then I see no reason for them to add it to our version then.
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      Sidwinder-HT
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Only PWI could come up with such a **** expansion

      (Yes Im spamming forums today)
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 534 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      It's intended to stop the botting and overflow of ingame coin from all the bots in the other versions which ours doesn't have..... nothing to do with the cash shop... b:bye

      New player downloads game:
      Plays awhile and levels up some.
      Goes to trainer..
      No coin to train.
      Goes back out and kills stuff hoping for drops for coins.
      Still no coin to train, no coin for new gear.

      Options:
      Quit game.
      Cashshop.
    • Posts: 0 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Well as a low lvl barb its kill MAYBE 3 mobs and then meditate for 5 mins to get your hp back. Thats all fine , ITS the REPAIR COSTS that kill a barb at lower lvls.
      Many times my repairs where higher than my items even if sold to a shop over a NPC.
      And the answer is NO i havent ever played anything but a barb, so idk about archers, just know MANY and never heard this statement from any of them at lower lvls.
    • Posts: 534 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      jimbillybob46310 wrote: »
      Well as a low lvl barb its kill MAYBE 3 mobs and then meditate for 5 mins to get your hp back. Thats all fine , ITS the REPAIR COSTS that kill a barb at lower lvls.
      Many times my repairs where higher than my items even if sold to a shop over a NPC.
      And the answer is NO i havent ever played anything but a barb, so idk about archers, just know MANY and never heard this statement from any of them at lower lvls.

      Archers are not expensive to level, at any level. Only AA is cheaper on repairs.
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Well I have played an archer at lower levels and its not that horrible IF you use a Jones Blessing(Granted this wasn't available some time ago),at least not as much of a Sin who gets hitted from the start while the archer as bad as it can be gets an average of 20-33% less hits than a Sin at lower levels(And the winged shell at lower levels its almost invulnerability,it was awesome to use and I levelled it to the max).

      Only thing can be really expensive as an archer is if you decide to buy the best arrows available for your bow grade...and that's where it hurts the most o.o\\\ but if its for just PvE I think the lv.1 arrows are enough....
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 353 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      When I was a low lvl archer I swear drop rates were higher back then but anyway I made most of my money on dq drops. The only thing that was really expensive was training skills but I ran out of spirit before I ran out of coin normally.
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    • Posts: 2,461 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Sidwinder - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      Then I see no reason for them to add it to our version then.
      PWE is a distrubiting company not the owners of it. They have no choice. They can only try to curve the results of it that can negatively affect us.
      Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
      New player downloads game:
      Plays awhile and levels up some.
      Goes to trainer..
      No coin to train.
      Goes back out and kills stuff hoping for drops for coins.
      Still no coin to train, no coin for new gear.

      Options:
      Quit game.
      Cashshop.
      Quests are getting revamped. And I did just fine back then and it's even easier now.
      jimbillybob46310 wrote: »
      Well as a low lvl barb its kill MAYBE 3 mobs and then meditate for 5 mins to get your hp back. Thats all fine , ITS the REPAIR COSTS that kill a barb at lower lvls.
      Many times my repairs where higher than my items even if sold to a shop over a NPC.
      And the answer is NO i havent ever played anything but a barb, so idk about archers, just know MANY and never heard this statement from any of them at lower lvls.

      Play an archer without a jones blessing leveling it the old fashion way. See how quickly you need to use pots and run like a headless chicken until you get your first skill that has any PvE CC knockback which becomes a god send to you.
      Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
      Archers are not expensive to level, at any level. Only AA is cheaper on repairs.
      Play one without a jones blessing....
      BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »
      Well I have played an archer at lower levels and its not that horrible IF you use a Jones Blessing(Granted this wasn't available some time ago),at least not as much of a Sin who gets hitted from the start while the archer as bad as it can be gets an average of 20-33% less hits than a Sin at lower levels(And the winged shell at lower levels its almost invulnerability,it was awesome to use and I levelled it to the max).

      Only thing can be really expensive as an archer is if you decide to buy the best arrows available for your bow grade...and that's where it hurts the most o.o\\\ but if its for just PvE I think the lv.1 arrows are enough....

      Jones blessing makes it a lot easier these days. In the oldschool days we ate pots like a starving hobo will eat mcdonalds as if it's Real Prime Rib.
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      Ty Fon for the Siggy <3

      The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute
    • Posts: 1,417 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      Things should be reasonably easier for low levels,not vice versa b:angry
      And I don't care about spiritual cultivation quest chain,it was tedious YES ,long YES all you want but WASN'T hard at all ( I could solo all minibosses on most classes with a bit of pots and brain).
      The only way to beat a troll is....to troll him back b:angry
    • Posts: 353 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      PWE is a distrubiting company not the owners of it. They have no choice. They can only try to curve the results of it that can negatively affect us.

      I'm sure if they see those as hurting our version more than helping it they can get the ok to withhold or remove those changes.
      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
      Sidwinder-HT
    • Posts: 534 Arc User
      edited August 2012
      KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      PWE is a distrubiting company not the owners of it. They have no choice. They can only try to curve the results of it that can negatively affect us.

      Quests are getting revamped. And I did just fine back then and it's even easier now.



      Play an archer without a jones blessing leveling it the old fashion way. See how quickly you need to use pots and run like a headless chicken until you get your first skill that has any PvE CC knockback which becomes a god send to you.


      Play one without a jones blessing....



      Jones blessing makes it a lot easier these days. In the oldschool days we ate pots like a starving hobo will eat mcdonalds as if it's Real Prime Rib.
      KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      Quests are getting revamped. And I did just fine back then and it's even easier now.
      I call BS. There were ALOT more drops "back then than there are now". And once the dqs npc for a COIN, it will be a hellva lot harder to get coin for skills/gear.(for a new player)
      KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
      Play one without a jones blessing....
      They didnt have jones blessings until i was in my late 90s maybe even level 100.
      Archers are not expensive to level.

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