Build necessary to solo tt 3-2/3-3

Jaabg - Sanctuary
Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Assassin
Hi

I was wondering if people could point me in the right direction for a demon sin, 5 aps, using g15 zerk daggers, that can solo tt 3-2, 3-3.

What i am looking for mainly is what rings people perfer, minimum/preferred refine lvl on gear, shard in gear (vit stones, dot, josd)?

What kind of apoc items are used?

What genie skills are used?

If they are charmed or not, and what kind of charm ticks are to be expected.

How long does it take to clear the bosses? Gold mat only, all bosses?

If soloing is hard, what set up is needed with a bm running along with demon hf (g16 5 aps, +10 weapon), multi clienting.

This is a demon 5 aps sin, pve only. Lunar pants and helm, r8 top, tt99 shoes, arms. tt99 ha ornaments, g15 lunar vana weapon (intx1+sac strike), wraithgate int robe (haven't decided yet to upgrade, but can be done easily, not the best choice i know). Tome can be switched from bm, to make sin 5 aps, if tanking at 4 aps is hard.

I often see, hear about people solo, duo farming these tt during 2x, always wondered what kind of builds they were.
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    To help people out more, here is the other part where i linked the builds i was contemplating.
    I was wondering

    g15 sac strike, 5 aps, demon sin, 63 attack lvls total, +10 weapon, 1 garnet gem

    vs

    g16, 5 aps, demon sin 103 attack lvls, +10 weapon, 1 garnet gem

    Of the two, which would be doing more damage in a PVE setting?

    Assuming same amout of dex, str, other atrributes, which of the two builds will hit harder, have better survivability?

    I put gof, because i could find sac strike. I know that sac strike is 15% proc rate, but i can't seem to figure out why g16 would hit harder?

    I know from my bm, that g16 claws +10 with jones bless, 70 attack lvls > g15 +8 zerk sins at 5 aps, +9~+10 are touch and go, depends on who attacks first, sparks first, if i hf on bm or not. G13 sins +10 can not hold agro at allb:shocked.

    The problem i have with proc rates in pwi, average is one thing, in game is different. Bosses in vana die in 1~2 spark cycles, that is 15~30 seconds.

    I haven't done tt yet, but i want to ascertain which of the two builds will deal more damage and live longer in tt? TT bosses are 2~8 (or more) spark deals, they take longer to fight. I am guessing the OP has similar thoughts when they asked the question.

    I have the option of going g16 daggers, or keeping my g15 daggers and refining them to +10. I will be farming alone, or with friends (g16 weapons all around on the bms), so will be multiclienting on sin with a bm.

    There is also the added problem of losing hp every time sac strike procs, as i play a bm mostly, big numbers is not my concern, the ability for sin to survive is. Guessing how sins drops in vana if they take agro from me, that worries me (but those sins are worse geared :P), but any decent refined weapon sin can tank vana bosses.

    I hope in asking these questions, i can help answer the OP's question as well.

    If these topics have already been discussed with technical details, would be appreciated if someone could link them, i could not find them easily with search options.

    Olbaze was kind enough to reply, thank you.
  • Cantabrum - Archosaur
    Cantabrum - Archosaur Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    < sage sin wht 4.0 all gear +7 g13 nirvana +10 helmet +10 and legs +10 charmed ofc and bang you can solo what ever you want if oyu got the brain for spark and rib b:chuckle
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    < sage sin wht 4.0 all gear +7 g13 nirvana +10 helmet +10 and legs +10 charmed ofc and bang you can solo what ever you want if oyu got the brain for spark and rib b:chuckle

    Try spark + rib on Emperor and see what happens. b:laugh
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    < sage sin wht 4.0 all gear +7 g13 nirvana +10 helmet +10 and legs +10 charmed ofc and bang you can solo what ever you want if oyu got the brain for spark and rib b:chuckle

    Have you even tried 3-2? I know sage(4 aps), demon sins (5 aps), with +10 all gears, g13 weapons, g15 rings, and they still die at emperor when going solo.

    Rib, spark is not the only way to go about bosses, especially the hard ones, i have tried these on bm, so i know how scary they can be. I have seen sins solo them, but they were alreaedy geared as linked or higher refined, even then the bosses are scary, they can still one shot.

    That is why i find your reply unhelpful. Rib, spark, works in fcc, maybe vana, but tt 3-x on hard bosses, requires a bit more than rib, spark.
  • _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear
    _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear Posts: 562 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Id say the best thing would be to duo with a bm who has demon hf and gs. Always run fully buffed and if you can get sage BP.
    As a regard to the daggers. If you +5 the G16 they will more than likely out DD your G15 zerk daggers.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    < sage sin wht 4.0 all gear +7 g13 nirvana +10 helmet +10 and legs +10 charmed ofc and bang you can solo what ever you want if oyu got the brain for spark and rib b:chuckle

    .....You must have not done anything past 2-3.


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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Nobody can give you an exact step-by-step "this is how you solo 3-2 and 3-3". Imo, besides minimum gear requirement that is obviously a factor, one of the most important things is to know the bosses : what they do, when they do it, which phrase announces which action, etc. So before starting to solo, best would be to squad or duo to get to know the bosses if you don't know them well enough.

    On gear, I would say "all +10 at least with shards equal to perfects or better" (considering a regular armor/ornaments setup for 2.86 aps base with base-speed daggers). I'm sure some ppl could do it with less, but you need good gear to solo 3-2 or 3-3. Just to give you an idea, Nemen in 3-3 hits me about 8k on magic hit (no cleric buffs, sage sparked). And that is one of the easier bosses. On weapon, there are many options. In terms of bp, you have to heal at least 80% of your hp between boss attacks. And you need to do enough damage to prevent ages lasting kills. Pretty much anything grade 13 at +10 would do, but preferably G15/16 or R9 for speed reasons. Keep in mind it's about an overall setup. A better weapon can make up for a little lack on gear, better gear makes it easier to get away with a bit lower weapon. For that same reason, I wouldn't give you a time indication. Luck is also involved for that. Count at least 40min for a run though.

    On random info :
    For skills, I think it's pretty obvious. You mentioned ribstrike. Using deaden nerves, focussed mind/tidal protection seems obvious. Maybe less obvious, but refresh them when 90sec is over. Depending on boss and your weapon, this will be the case. Personally, I use tidal protection most (emperor, minister, colloseast). But I'm sage so I'm not sure how the demon double protections would turn out best. Ofc, on some bosses it will be worth it to try to cancel or time your spark to resist.
    For genie, I use cloud eruption and ad most. I use tm and ep only at start. I always try to have 3 sparks asap after I sparked, especially at the hard bosses. Sage tidal helps a lot, but isn't full proof. I'm not sure if this is a sage thing, or if demons do the same, or if it's just a safety-thing in my head.
    For pots, I use vac most, IG for immergency and sometimes turtle thingy (the one that cuts damage for some time). I try to use the vac to cover the time between end of tidal and the rebuff.
    A point on gear, try to avoid r8 ring. A refined ring will help you more even if slightly less attack. Mainly thinking of PQ/Lunar ring or COA maybe. It's also worth on some bosses if you can use better ornies even if it cuts your aps. Mainly in the case of r9 daggers for the +10 def lvl bonus + cube neck. Not 100% sure if warsong + cube would have the same beneficial effect for a G15/G16 user.
    For dual-logging, I think a barb (refering to tiger barb) is the best choice. I find it hard to imagen you can perfectly manage 2 toons, even on seperate pc (timing counts a lot). A barb is great cause it can take a hit (makes them easy to dual), have permanent devour to up your damage and can take aggro off you rather fast with roar/alpha male (which can help a lot to have your sin survive). In case of a duo, I would say bm is a good choice. But also, barb (fist or vit) or seeker if you ask me.

    Well, most seems pretty obvious and you probably came up with it yourself already, but hope it helps. I still think being familiar with the instance is one of the most important factors.
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    If your Sin isnt this decked out...


    ...those bosses will eat you for dinner.
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Here's a random thing i'll add (or two) b:avoid

    You may want to get some defensive charms incase something goes bad and you know the next magic hit's probably gonna kill you. I had to get some mdef charms for Wurlord in 2-3 because atm he hits over my max hp if/when i'm caught unsparked.

    Another thing is if you have demon Knife Throw OR Spell Cutter you can just use that to interrupt the bosses channeling so you don't have to tick your charm. (obvious tip)
  • Zanryu - Lothranis
    Zanryu - Lothranis Posts: 1,998 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    If your Sin isnt this decked out...


    ...those bosses will eat you for dinner.
    I'd go with something more like this to be on the safe side.
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    What bout just what's needed for the culti bosses? -For those of us with alts that need culti.
  • witniss
    witniss Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    If your Sin isnt this decked out...


    ...those bosses will eat you for dinner.
    I'd go with something more like this to be on the safe side.

    http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVQLr7Xm5uwDI19d0o_uPGMHFN7D3SGMakiouqhlk0C1RR9gs-3A
    you're going to want to open with marked for death and keep spamming elemental fury and use drain vitality if you're running low on health, storm call can be useful for short fights, whirlwind sprint can get you out of a sticky situation and unrelenting force will cancel channeling and knock the boss back
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  • FortySeven - Raging Tide
    FortySeven - Raging Tide Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    at least 10k hp, and knife throw every time you see them channel :)
  • witniss
    witniss Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Zanryu thunder scum b:scorn
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    Zanryu - Lothranis Posts: 1,998 Arc User
    edited August 2012
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    edited August 2012
    Why are most of my haters on the forums stone faces? I like to know who they actually are so I can give them a tailor made trolling experience. With stone faces I can't give them the full Zanryu Trolololol experience. It makes me so sad. b:sad

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    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    witniss wrote: »
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  • witniss
    witniss Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Why are most of my haters on the forums stone faces? I like to know who they actually are so I can give them a tailor made trolling experience. With stone faces I can't give them the full Zanryu Trolololol experience. It makes me so sad. b:sad
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    witniss wrote: »
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    edited August 2012
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  • Cantabrum - Archosaur
    Cantabrum - Archosaur Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    .....You must have not done anything past 2-3.


    Come into the 3-x world and learn how much of a ****ing ***** this game can be.

    anyway i dont have to proov anything to you i know what i do and how i do :pleased so dont hate