BH Abaddon boss ~The Pull~

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · July 2012

I have an obvious preference for how to kill the Aba boss. Run in, triple spark, HF, it's dead before it can buff itself and start the annoying teeter-totter of up and down hp or change aggro and 1 shot the sin.

Because I prefer, and I think most people prefer, to kill the boss efficiently I ask the cleric to follow me in and bb behind me. Almost without fail the cleric then drops bb where they're standing, 60+ meters away and expects me to pull the boss back to them.

This isn't a problem, but there is about a 25 second window between aggroing the boss and his first buffs. About 8 seconds of that is spent running up, doing an initial attack to aggro, triple sparking, and getting the debuffs like HF, amp, and subsea going. If I have to waste 15 seconds pulling back to a bb that means we start attacking with our triple sparks and myriad of debuffs right as the boss buffs itself. What I would prefer the cleric do is follow me in and bubble behind me, like cleric's have been doing since BH51 but apparently that skill is lost on level 100s.

So, what are your thoughts or techniques the pull of the BH Aba boss. The boss does an initial one shot that hits quite hard, harder than even most decently geared BMs can tank, and it also debuffs with a huge bleed of a couple thousand hp every few seconds.

With my archer or bm, I can walk in and either AD or triple spark as he targets me. With my barb or seeker I can tank the attack and bleed until I aggro, then triple spark purify.
With my sin I deaden nerves, ask for an IH stack. The boss 1 shots me but the IH stack instantly fully heals me and I can get in close, start my attacks and survive on paint heals and spark purifies.

I understand stacking with IH and follow with bb means that if we die we're "under" the boss making it hard to rez but the odds of success are also much higher by killing it quicker. It doesn't give the boss time to change aggro and 1 shot anyone which forces the cleric to drop bb to rez, which means its safer.

I had one cleric literally drop bb down the path 100m+ away from the boss "in case we died". The cleric didn't have cloud eruption either, so when I asked them to move it they had to rebuild chi... I was on my bm and had 2 good dd's in squad so we just solo'd the boss without bb.

So, why are cleric's putting bb so far away and asking the tanks to pull to them rather than following and healing the tank? Any other good tricks/tips/techniques?

Decus - Dreamweaver · July 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, why are cleric's putting bb so far away and asking the tanks to pull to them rather than following and healing the tank? Any other good tricks/tips/techniques?

Because people are brain-dead. I don't do BHs on my cleric anymore but I ask the cleric to set it up right on the boss as we all run in.

Xainou - Sanctuary · July 2012

I always run in with the tank to BB on his tail. I actually get confused when people run back to squad. Don't get why they just don't go to it. lol

But I guess you could tell them to just approach the boss and BB there? Although you shouldn't really need to tell them in the first place...

truekossy · July 2012

Because people are stupid.

I also just run in on my cleric and the ones I regularly squad with know to do the same with me.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · July 2012

The cleric just didn't know waht to do or have been told to do it that way in a other squad.
All the cleric i see for BH abba and SoT just run with the squad to the boss and BB.

All squad work differently, when i play cleric in BH snake, some people ask me to BB and stay in BB and they go take the group of mobs and bring to me and once the group is done he go take the other etc 'til all groups are dead than i stop BB to go to the boss than BB for boss.

Some lure both runners than ask BB for the group, than lure again for the second group, so i need to drop BB everytime, some will do 2 groups etc... just to say that every squad do it differently so maybe he been told to do it like that.

thumbs · July 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have an obvious preference for how to kill the Aba boss. Run in, triple spark, HF, it's dead before it can buff itself and start the annoying teeter-totter of up and down hp or change aggro and 1 shot the sin.

If you get teeter-totter of up and down hp; you're not doing it efficiently whether you beat the buff or not.

Because I prefer, and I think most people prefer, to kill the boss efficiently I ask the cleric to follow me in and bb behind me. Almost without fail the cleric then drops bb where they're standing, 60+ meters away and expects me to pull the boss back to them.

I expect melee to stop derpa-melee'ing when the boss buffs and they can't kill it fast, but months later and we still get idiots doing it 5 squads in a row.

This isn't a problem, but there is about a 25 second window between aggroing the boss and his first buffs. About 8 seconds of that is spent running up, doing an initial attack to aggro, triple sparking, and getting the debuffs like HF, amp, and subsea going. If I have to waste 15 seconds pulling back to a bb that means we start attacking with our triple sparks and myriad of debuffs right as the boss buffs itself. What I would prefer the cleric do is follow me in and bubble behind me, like cleric's have been doing since BH51 but apparently that skill is lost on level 100s.

Have you missed the idiot after idiot that runs up to boss and dies? Do you think clerics don't learn from that?

So, what are your thoughts or techniques the pull of the BH Aba boss. The boss does an initial one shot that hits quite hard, harder than even most decently geared BMs can tank, and it also debuffs with a huge bleed of a couple thousand hp every few seconds.

Invoke -> Bestial Rage -> Ream -> Cauterize -> get to BB

So, why are cleric's putting bb so far away and asking the tanks to pull to them rather than following and healing the tank? Any other good tricks/tips/techniques?

Because res'ing a bunch of idiots around a boss is a pain, and following someone to such a boss that has a good probability of failing is risky.

I take it you don't play a cleric.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · July 2012

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

The cleric just didn't know what to do or have been told to do it that way in a other squad.

All squad work differently

That's kind of the problem right? There is no consistency or routine between squads, even though we've done these BHs dozens/hundreds of times.

Unfortunately, routines have to be set to the lowest standard so that everyone can follow them. Something that can work for not just the poorly geared but the stoopid also =/ And if the routine for a bh is changed for the better geared or more experienced (ie, pulling multiple groups in metal because your squad has the dd and hp to handle it) than that change should be communicated. But otherwise, a routine should be established.

That's kind of why I why I brought it here to the forums. To see if I was doing something different or if other people were, and to have a record of reference for other people who are looking to... standardize their runs.

I do a fair share of random runs. I have 6 level 100s, know my classes as well as others and I like the chaos that bad players can create in a squad because it sharpens my own skills. I just don't like the arguments. The cleric actually did a good job up till that point. Initially we had a barb, but since he was doing pulls 1-2 mobs at a time I took over and started pulling groups instead and when our sin dc'd for about 15 seconds he took that opportunity "oh! guess I'll be sin instead" and switched because "I was playing tank." He pulled up a H&T +1 sin, our bm had Cube fists and no -int, our other sin, archer, and cleric were decent. Since I did all the pulling and most the killing I didn't realize how weak my squads damage output was and we really had no chance of killing the boss before he self buffed.

What I felt stoopid about was I started arguing with the once-barb sin and the boss buffed so I hit esc->s to stop my attack and turn away I was in the chatbox and instead hit a row of s instead of stopping my attack right away. He wears dual swords and so it was 1.43 auto attack, no big deal when talking about "apsing a boss while its buffed" but the sin who also continued to auto attack called me on mine. The next time the boss used his buffs I setup my 'Shatter' attack to increase skill damage and was accused of auto attacking again even though those are buffs, not attacks. The run went fine until then, but the argument over pulling setup a barrage of personal attacks on playstyles.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · July 2012

Well if people communicate that will save situation like that.

Doom_Panda - Harshlands · July 2012

I've always setup BB on the boss when i'm on my cleric. And I don't think i've had a cleric setup BB and ask for the boss to be lured when i'm on my barb.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · July 2012

Doom_Panda - Harshlands wrote: »

I've always setup BB on the boss when i'm on my cleric. And I don't think i've had a cleric setup BB and ask for the boss to be lured when i'm on my barb.

You should be barb and cleric in the same time ♥

Empu - Sanctuary · July 2012

I expect ppl to pull the boss. I stack IH, let them pull, purify and put up bb. Tbh, I do that more for ppl to feel safe then for the real need. Actually, the boss is better not bb'ed, as it doesn't reduce the hard bleed anyway. The only reason to bb is a) to easily multi/lazy heal or b) to prevent others from freaking out.

As I put before in some thread, and KawaiiJen put it in a stickied "guide", the bleed hits hard 1st time (the "1 shot" for all but bms/barbs under 10k hp) but after that it only ticks 1/3th of the damage. With just the usuall pre-stack (IH, wings, sage vanguard/demon stream), anyone confident to tank should be able to pull > run back to bb > run back to boss > spark.

When a sin or archer pulls, you can actually pull it without the bleed. The range seems to be 35m to pull and skip initial bleed. Knifethrow on a run-back move works fine. If you got a squad that kills before 2nd bleed, who even cares what the cleric does? Aba boss does only 300~500 hits before getting buffed.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

With my archer or bm, I can walk in and either AD or triple spark as he targets me. With my barb or seeker I can tank the attack and bleed until I aggro, then triple spark purify.

Actually, that doesn't make sense. Seekers have a harder job tanking aba/seat bosses then bms, as the big hit bleed is unaffected by defence lvls. BM is the only class that can tank the bosses within the 8k~10k hp range thanks to physical marrow. There are quite some bms that got the gear to reach 8k hp with a buff (barb/base/pill + morai stuffs). But a bm that uses physical marrow is harder to find.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · July 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since I did all the pulling and most the killing I didn't realize how weak my squads damage output was and we really had no chance of killing the boss before he self buffed.

The cleric probably realized this even if you didn't. You kinda get a good idea of how well your squad is going to do on the bosses by following them around. If I had squad with such low output, and the boss buffing was inevitable, I'd probably sit BB back so I can rez the squad in case anything happens as well. If it's a well geared squad, I'd insist on doing it the triple spark way and put BB right up his butt. I haven't actually been to it on my cleric obviously, but from watching other clerics that would most likely be my strategy and running it dozens of times by now on my sin. I think that would probably be my strategy.

I've also never really been in a squad where people wanted the BB up on the bosses butt in the first place. Even when the plan is to triple spark. With the super triple sparking squad as well I've always been able to beat the IH buff even if occasionally the red buff is up for half a second and nobody died. I tend to pull it on my sin with the deaden nerve buff just a couple meters away from the cleric. If I somehow muck it up (has happened only once) and get one shot. The cleric just revives me and puts BB back up and we start from the top. No wipes. So I can see why the cleric would want that. Although I'd probably risk it anyway since it is such an effective method.

kamukaze · July 2012

At this boss i see ppl just read myths instead uses some braincells (not in forum, in game ofc)
I usually do bh in random squads, and last time we had a normal squad (cleric, me(sin),2 archer, bm and barb)... we had 2 squadwipes couse they learned that they "shall not" demon spark -.-'. really... me and my friend were who sparked and would kill boss asap.
This wouldnt be problem ( I mean we kill it slower but who cares if it takes 1-2 min longer). The problem was they continue normal attack when boss put his buffs on. Bm every time hfed when boss buffed himself... Ofc me and my friend went back 2 meters when we reaise that. -> squadwipe.
Then the squad said we died becouse of me, couse i demon sqarked. 1 of them said me use my r8 dagger instead. no comment. I tried explain that they must stop attack when they see some red icon under boss name. Ofc they ignored me and continued they killing method. + said minimize my aps... They couldnt understand this boss-buff mechanism. Or simply they didnt understand my poor english, what would i say.... I dont know how, but we did it and now i better ask some friends, lets do daily bh together when we are all online.

I hate those ppls who say that: oh noob you must do it this way otherwise you will fail.

As a cleric role: it isnt so hard if squad isnt brain dead. And if they cannot stop hit the boss when needed its they fault.

I like that pwi changed bh's. I think it's better than spark-normal hit till boss dies way. And who likes play with 1-2 buttons and dont like stress then try this out

bast65 · August 2012

The main problem I see is alot of ppl are power lvling now a days and most have no clue how to play there char if they took the time to learn it like yrs ago where you had to do every quest an d there was no such thing as power lvling there would be less deaths I seen a cleric ina squad she was lvl 90ish had no clue what bb was now thats a shame

BH Abaddon boss ~The Pull~

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