Gundisalvus vs. //ZEUS\\

Slegtst - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Zan.... its DS you're talking to.
He will never understand.

Andres - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lol girl, if I cared enough for what you think of me and my skillset, I'd have checked this post a couple days ago. However your utter ignorance on archers demands a response that will hopefully educate you.

Archers have 3 kiting cooldowns before the expansion hit. Now they have Wings, Elven Alacrity, Blessing of the Condor and 2 leaps. Two of those are anti-stuns. There's at least 3 genie cooldowns that will avoid/remove movement impairment effects.

It's the class in the game with the most ammount of CC (Crowd control) debuffs. You can stun, paralyze, seal (if proc in weapon, or skill depending on cultivation) you'll be able to silence in the near future (if not already, I really am not following which skill has been released or not).

I don't consider a charmtick an accomplishment. I mean, archers have curse, metal debuffs and a metal attack that never misses. All this **** stacks with EP and TM... if you use the right apothecary, it takes one Aim Low paralyze proc to use all 3 of those skills on less than the 8 seconds your enemy will be paralyzed. However, with how stupidly gear has escalated in this game, I do agree with Heartz that this is sadly the best that any archer could offer on regular basis against barbs. With a few lucky crits

I do consider getting killed by a barb alone a failure as an archer. A class that has like 2 stuns and little chances to stunlock due to accuracy, lack of aps, huge spike damage. But shouldn't be good enough to 1 shot a rank 9 archer. And still, no good archer should let a barb to a) catch up to them. b) land 3 straight hits on you. Hit ****ing expel, domain, blessing of a condor, Wings of grace, for the love of god... Elven Alacrity away girl!!! at least use apothecary.

While I was in charge of TW, it was one archer's job to delay cata barb pushes so that defensive teams could move more smoothly between lanes. This means one archer would have to constantly be on 1-2 barbs normally ninjaing catapults and force those A-C lane pushes to take over 5 minutes as they're expected to be without resistance.

Aim Low, Stun Shot, Stunning Blast, Frost arrow, mother****ing thunderous blast.... Truth be told when an archer faces an even geared (and in some cases, a lower geared, but equally skilled) barb, it's job is not to kill it. It's virtually impossible to kill a barb as an archer due to the slow cooldowns on your effective metal attacks vs the fast(er) defensive cooldowns of a barbarian. But you have no excuse to allow a barb. Out of all melee classes to get on your face.

This is what I meant about not playing your toon. I died way too many times to armageddons from rank 9 or G15 barbs/BMs while gearing up to let myself in a position where I'd be vulnerable to both ranged/melee stuns and curses. This is the problem of archers and all players that did not progressed their gear accordingly. They went from TT90 green +5 to rank 9 +12 and did not consider all the important concerns of their class as they're gearing up. Regenesis forums used to have a huuuuuuge library of this information made by players like Zsw, nigelus, BigWacky amongst others:

-What's your effective HP?
-What's your breakpoint on magic defense, physical defense. How does being sage/demon affects your DPS and damage reduction. How does this affects your playstyle. What will Sage Spark/Wing of grace effective damage reduction becomes with 60 defense levels or 30 defense levels? How exactly does magic/physical charms effectively reduce a big hit from a wizard, psychic, seeker when fully buffed, when unbuffed, when on partial resist cooldowns.
-What's your breakpoint on DPS, whats your sparked and unsparked DPH. What's the effect of being full attack levels to your base damage?
-What's the most efficient way to escape from melee, from range, what attacks can you tank, what attacks can you not tank. What attacks should you not take. What debuffs should you spark to remove. When and why are you using your apothecary.

I have seen archers stand still shooting at undergeared players while a BM, seeker and a psychic get within shooting range. All of this classes with lower range than them. Archers no longer kite... All you need to do is check the kill/death ratio on the rankings to understand how bad some archers are at TW/PK. It's no coincidence that none of the top rank 9 archers can be found in the top 30. Hell, you'll only find Rosalina there because he gets to farm kills out of BootyCamp weekly. I'm pretty sure if the ranking would allow players to check per-war statistics, none of the ranked people would average over 2 kills per death against Regenesis or Calamity back in the days.

The days of research for gear progression were long gone by the time I quit, but that does not mean that you should all dispose of your brains while playing the game DS, it means that you have your work cut out for you, all it takes its less sucking up, and more reading up. Try it.

There used to be a stupid amount of videos on Regen forums (which I cannot access anymore QQ) from which we learned at the end of TWs. This one particularly from Kasumi when we played in the same squad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdilfFTeXDI&feature=plcp
You can see him on screen, and me as the blue dot on the minimap. Rank 9 was already out and while me and Kas were rocking rank 8 bows and +5 gear, we managed to stay away from rank 9s and score a few good hits and kills on them. Look at the kiting, the support between archers, it's hard to determine assists, but I'm sure you can tell the difference as to when Kas is hitting alone or when he's hitting with me and Ras supporting him. It's a shame that I can't show you an attack that we won back then, but at least TW used to be fun non-5 minute bashes, stressful and really demanding. There was a video of 1 of our squads in Regenesis taking down 3 Equinox squads until we got overwhelmed. It all takes good map work and coordination. Something you wish one day a faction you take a part of gets to achieve.

I hope that clarifies and maybe enlightens you a little bit about the "best at a class" and sheds a little light to your TW knowledge. If I had to chose an all time best. I'd say:

1) Cheze : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8SGa8LZsdg
2) Illyana : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKwNRVmdt3o
3) Kasumi
4) Er_Nai
5) Heartz
6) Raiyin
7) Binky
8) Ojimaru
9) Whathappend
10) LoveT/\p

Sadly most of them quit before they could show their potential with rank 9 out. But I'm sure that any of them with their gear could outshine your choice for the "top archer" with their current gear. lol. Your biggest mistake is to compare archers utility with that of Wizards or Psychics, when you expect them to beat a barb 1v1. Their utility would be more in comparison to that of a venomancer, mystic or seeker, with a slight increase of DPS and a big loss of overall defense or defensive cooldowns.