People leaving faction after help

Trinica - Momaganon · July 2012

I'm sure you've all had this happen to you, people joining faction, getting help with quests/bosses/gear and then running off to join other factions with "friends" (except for some of you that are in some high-end-"You're never leaving here alive" factions b:chuckle).

What the heck do you do about people like that?

We've had a few in our faction...helped them with everything we could, from advice to gear, and then they just leave to join who knows what (and we find them a while later with no faction hehe). It made me feel like not giving anyone a helping hand for a while after one in which we had great hopes just upped and left. If it happens with this batch of newbies that we've got I may just send the next person to ask for help to **** themselves.

Slegtst - Dreamweaver · July 2012

Ignore the people that take advantage of your help, but dont let those fools ruin possible help for other new people in your faction. Not everyone is a d00che.

Alot of them are, just not everyone. :P

LividLemur - Dreamweaver · July 2012

Trinica - Momaganon wrote: »

What the heck do you do about people like that?

Nothing you can do except manage your expectations (ie don't get your hopes up) when someone first joins. They need TT mats? Tell them your fac runs TT on X day (Saturday, w/e) and if they want to come help farm for mats, then they will be entitled to a share. They need to realize up front that they will need to give in order to receive. Usually, that will scare off the boldest of the snatch-n-grabbers.. If after a month he/she is still in your faction, then you know you might have a keeper xD

Guilty until proven innocent imo

Also, keep in mind that if you are not a regular TW faction, some people will naturally want to take their character to endgame level, and if your faction cannot offer them that then you can't really blame those particular people from leaving when the time comes

And yeah, there's a reason why many of these people are seen factionless later on

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · July 2012

Yes unfortunatly there are those that put their alts into helpful factions to "farm" them. Get quick help with quests, cultis, even making gear and once they are up enough to join a larger faction they split.

What gets me is the people that leave a faction and you ask them why and they say back cause no one ever helps me, but you've never seen them ask for help in faction chat.

What annoys me the most are the people that join a faction and the first 5 mins in they are asking to get free fc or other free methods of powerlvling. b:angry

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · July 2012

Nothing to do, some people expect faction to do everything for them and if you don't help them they leave and if you help them they leave after they got what they want.

I saw a lot of people like that, 3 years ago i remember all the faction work hard to get a girl a herc and a nix, she got the herc than the day after she got the nix she quit the faction.
I saw the same with R8 back in time no one was R8 abnd that was rare and expensive, faction help a girl get R8 a couple day after she got the R8 she quit the faction. People was mad.

Nothing to do, help people with advice, if they need help with a dongeon offer help, but let them make the squad don't do everything for them and don't pay expensive gears to people unless old loyal members that helped the faction.

JinxRake - Momaganon · July 2012

We don't do free FC in our faction for anyone, or Zhen for that matter. We've come to the conclusion that we don't want high level noobs and if they want that, they're on their own.
We try to get most people that reach 60 on runs with us when we make their TT60 weapon, just so they can see what TT is all about and after that we ask them to come when they want gear. We've been thinking of starting up specific days / hours for some BHs and TT runs, but so far we're not many in the faction that work to help people get their gears and runs. We've been getting some very promising people lately that stick around...so we may just do that (TT runs mainly).

What's more fun is when people complain you don't help after you just came out of some instance that you didn't need and just did it for someone else. I feel like wringing their scrawny necks at that point.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear · July 2012

It's a risk you take when you help people, especially in a hierarchy of a "low level" faction or similar to it it's in a way something you should do anyway. If you do decide to help people you just have to put up with the fact that they might use you.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver · July 2012

this is a common problem to every faction unless you are on top of the food chain

i used to be officer of a small faction and it was very frustrating to see people go after receiving tons of help and effort

but at some point of the game i myself left and actually joined the dominating faction (double bad) of that time, they probably thought the same of me, since i received a lot of help myself

motivation to leave may vary.
sometimes things just dont fit togehter.. no matter how much effort you put

those who leave to join power are not reliable, not loyal
as soon as the power seems to be weakened, as soon as there seems to be a stronger group they could join, they will leave

we had that too, recently.
we lost thousand streams due to a planning error on how to defend the gank on us
mistakes happen,
we are not used to loosing, and we never lost 1k in our faction history (our previous faction doesnt count since its only like 40 old members left)
so this one person logged on 20 minutes after war (we are to meet 1 hour before tw)
and started ranting and left

the rats leave the sinking ship first

..to bad this ship is nowhere near sinking, it had some maintenance and will be faster than ever

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Olbaze - Sanctuary · July 2012

Oh please.

Most people join factions because they want the help. Simple as that. As soon as you get what you came for, the only reason to stick around is the people. And some people just don't connect to others too well, especially in a game, or over the internet. Results in them seeing no reason to stick to a faction, so they leave.

A lot of people, once they get what they need out of a faction, only stick around until there's enough cause to leave. For example, I left a faction when I felt that the atmosphere was getting too home-y for my taste.

And really, this kind of attitude isn't something only the joining members have. Look at any TW faction, they'll want their members to be active and participate in TW as much as possible. So if you're going to boot people because they did not fit your requirements, don't expect people not to desert you when you stop fulfilling their needs.

Of course, there will always be people who's motives for joining are sketchy at best. People joining so that others will pretty much walk them through FCC/TT/Nirvana/Lunar/Warsong. People joining so that they gain access to faction-specific goods, mainly the Faction Base buffs and apos. People joining so that they can be part of the "winners".

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · July 2012

Oh yea there's people that if their faction loose a land they leave, but it's not the same thing than people leaving after get gears and help.

I was before a really helpful person in game, always helping people with BH/culti/quests/gears, but people are so selfish in PWI that they was abusing and don't want to help back.

I remember 2-3 years ago i helped a guy in a faction (was his alt), i did his bh29-39 for like a week, helped him for the culti (all the mobs quests/boss from lvl 1 to 60), i helped him for like a week constantly, than i need help for one little thing for culti 89 (the thing you need to farm in 4 mobs which take max 2 minutes), he refused to come help me.

I don't expect to everyone i help to come help me, but for all the amount of people i helped that none wanted to help for a little thing was frustrating so i become selfish and i stopped help people. Now if people help me first, i'll help them after if they need.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary · July 2012

Before I even reply to a faction member,I check his "Merit" (Doing faction base quests?).
If its 0 or near that the answer is this --> b:bye

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · July 2012

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

work hard to get a girl [...] she got [...] she quit.
help a girl [...] she quit.

Really??? I mean come on... whose fault is that.

Breitling - Raging Tide · July 2012

People join factions. People leave factions. It's part of the dynamic, and over time you get a good core of people and characters of varying levels that stick with the faction as long as it remains active. Some are impatient, and those types are a bit trying to deal with. Most however know when they pick up a culti, or squad necessary quest, that its probably not going to be immediately completed.

Personally when I pick up a squad needed quest, I will ask if anyone is available. If not, it goes on the back burner, until I see others in the faction requesting the same quest, or same boss, then I ask for an invite if there is room. Patience, and friendliness is the key. I will help anyone in our faction whenever I can, and if I have the time, and I also don't get upset if I die a few times attempting it. I've seen people yell and scream or ragequit because they died. If every quest was easy, and without challenge, the game would be boring. So with that, if people join, get help, or quit because they aren't immediately helped, then leave the faction, they probably wouldn't be a good fit for the members that makes Rapture a great group of people.

seitori · July 2012

Well look at it this way.... Atleast nowadays we can more (clearly & closely) monitor the people, our officers or ourselves let into the guilds nowadays, since its been thinning out so much now.....

b:victory

It helps, that not many of the current remaining various (Guild leaders and officers) that are still out there, aren't still pulling the Same Ninja Recruitment BS! that others were pulling back in (2008-10) when they would keep making all those Damnedable alt characters "just so they could join your factions, and then wait for your factions {Leaders and Directors} too be offline! So they can start baiting as many of your faction mates as they could, right out from underneath your guilds Noses; with all those Empty Azz'd promises! Which they seldom kept! For the Defectors they got, from NINJAing your {factions populace} from the inside out, while you weren't there.....

b:sweat

It got so bad in 2 of the factions that I had led back then...

That my (directors & myself) made alts for ourselves; just to join our own factions as anonymous (lower lev to mid range) guildees, just to be used as bait (So we could see who the a**H***s were!?) And then after we caught them by allowing ourselves to supposidely being recruited by the scumbags (and then seeing specifically who they were) then we just simply Axed them! From our own factions "And then put bans on any of their known chari's, from even being squadable by our guildees, let alone ever being recruitable." b:angry

And then after all that, we just went around telling everyone else who had been leading many of the other guilds (back then) what we found out about who was doing it "if they were also loosing people like we had..." And how too simply do what we did to catch the jacka***s! themselves, just like we did, so they could also AXE!! the little BAS**RDZ!!!!!!!

It was just amazing how quickly! So many people! From only a few factions, found themselves being Permanently {Black listed} from every other faction and squad back then in {HT} (whether they had really 'Meant & or Needed' to join for something, or not)......LMFAO!!!!!b:laugh

Some of them even jumped servers from {HT} to {Archo} in the end....

b:pleased

Why trust any of the Scumbags (Recruiters & Defectors) Alike; when they've already proved to have backstabbed! The majority of factions that were out there in the first place... Especially, when they were Most likely just out to **** You & your Faction over too, with their Own BS Ninja Antic's.......

GallaxXIII - Sanctuary · July 2012

i join newbie squads and run through bh 69 and under.
ive done hundreds of dungeons for newbies all over,
get used to helping for no reason, it just makes you look good to the community.

Xainou - Sanctuary · July 2012

Eh, after being in a couple of factions over the years I've gotten used to it. You can't avoid those 'bad apples' but usually they go away themselves. If they don't you just got to take it the mature way and get them sorted without creating too much drama.

There will always be people trying to scam help or even money from your faction. The best thing you can do is be aware and just accept no begging or impatient behaviour if noone is around to help RIGHT NOW. Keep your faction a happy place and let the people who don't fit in go. Don't get bitter over them, they're not worth it.

thumbs · July 2012

Faction spams WC: friendly, helpful; people join for help! -Can't blame them. It kinda sends a message to stop spamming WC with useless info about faction when they quit.

Factions shouldn't be for people to get help; they should be a resource (faction base, option of tw, alternative to world chat, etc.

There are many reasons to quit a faction. I've left some because they have cube pk'ers (that only don't pk faction mates), stupid time wasting rules / demands, excess idiotic / high drama / alternative language guild chat, everyone else is on the other side of the world; so sleeping when I'm on, things changed (in game or guild), etc.

Most Factions don't really care if they're right for their members; just boo hoo when someone leaves as if.

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