Is sage Absorb Soul useful at all? Plus 2 other questions?

uncleblademaster wrote: »

I think gaining an extra 10 Chi on a slow skill like this is useless. But people are telling me it is useful


Which path gives more benefits for both Pvp and Pve Sage Or Demon?

If you mean if sage AS is better than lvl10 yes, cause it's not just the chi, the damage is also higher on lvl11 than 10.

For sage/demon it depend on people, some people prefer sage other demon, some say sage is better PvE while other say Demon is better for PvP, so far the the mystic sage and demon i know love their culti, i think you should read and compare the skills and choose what you want.

When i was 89 and needed to choose i wasn't sure which one, a lot of people from my server was saying demon is better, but when i check the skill i though sage was more for me, i was really not sure, i think i choose my path at lvl 91 or 92 cause was really not sure, i finally choose what i personally wanted which is sage, i love it and don't regret it, but for curiosity i tried demon on a other server and personally didn't like it at all and was glad i choose sage, but depend on people. some demon could prolly say the same about sage.

Sage>Demon by far i.m.o. Demon to me only offered a thicket with the chance to increase damage and thats it for me. Sage offers more defense, damage, chi making abilities, in some cases less mp usage and purify on our spammable heal and longer anti stun. Going demon on the reason of a channeling spark or "thicket demon bonus" was not a good enough reason for me... that being many ppls reason to go demon. No thanks there is better use of chi on other skills. AND sage as a mystic seems more pvp oriented than demon i.m.o

In the end, I think Demon just sounds cool - and it has a sexy red spark. Im not saying those two things are all Demon is good for either, but it seems to be the biggest attraction when you hear people talk about it.

I asked a longtime player about which way too go. They said they couldn't imagine playing any Magic character without Sage, mainly because of the Chi bonus.

So, after long discussions on these forums about it, and being practically DEAD SET on going Demon, at the last possible minute his words jumped into my head - and I went Sage. I'm very happy with the choice, since I still dont feel I have enough Chi for everything that pops into my head to cast at any given time. b:chuckle

Most Light Armor Mystics Ive spoken to do go Demon, and do PvP.

Ive also met some Demon Arcane wearing Mystics that except for TW really only PvE.

In the end, it doesnt really matter, and I agree with those who have suggested taking the time and reading the difference in the spell bonuses, and seeing what works best for you. b:victory

Retsuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The effect of sage absorb soul is completely useless. Only reason you should get it is because it's better damage then lvl 10.

Spamming NV with swirling mist in between sometime is possibly the best damage dealing a sage mystic could do. I know it's boring, but the chi you generate with spamming NV makes you triple spark a lot. Add cloud eruption, and it's almost as if you're an aps character sparking. b:shutup
Using bramble tornado uses up your chi, same for gale force. And AS channels too slow (unless you got like 60 channeling or more).

I dont personally think AS is a useless spell, although in a fight where you need to heal as well as DD, it can be a dangerous spell to cast because of the long channeling time.

Word! Sometimes the SM + NVs is all you are really left with while other things are on cooldown, or using an AS would be just too risky because of the time involved.

I am just learning how they and break in the clouds help manage both Chi & Mana now that Ive started solo farming BHs for fun and profit. xD

Thanks for the info on BT and GF. I like gathering mobs and using GF, but I might slow it down some now. b:thanks

uncleblademaster wrote: »

NV with Swirling Mist isn't the best damage a sage mystic could do. Lol. Weeping Breeze Dance with Lucky Break and Sage Spark lot more and I'm sure there are even better combos.
Swirling Mist is just useless in my opinion.

Bramble Tornado deals more that NV but useful for mainly knocking back. Lol. Thanks for opinion

Was talking about high hp targets, and what the best DPS is for mystic in that case. If you're talking about DPH, that's another story.

Also swirling mist is your highest damage skill (only weeping might be higher?). But only if the DoT procs, so it's only good on boss like mobs.

uncleblademaster wrote: »

NV with Swirling Mist isn't the best damage a sage mystic could do. Lol.

NV demon do 600 damage more, but sage version have change to give 30 chi, so in caster where we use it as main attack i can triple spark way much more often than a demon. (since i have sage NV mystic is the caster class i can 3 spark the more often, sometime when my 3 spark just end i can already 3 spark again since it's so fast, but yea it's more in PvE)

Swirling sage do 800 more damage.

Plus i think that depend on the build of the char too, if a demon mystic is not pure magic the sage one pure magic can maybe DD more higher. So yea at the end the build and equipment help too.

ArenaSkies - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think Demon is more for TW.

Demon Falling Petals, Thicket, Absorb Soul, Rapid Growth, Bramble Tornado, and Gale Force are good in pvp.

Sage has Verdant Shell, Energy Leech, and Wood Mastery pretty much. The rest falls mostly under PVE.

idk wut u are talking about but energy leech and rapid growth of sage wins over demon. it is equally good on falling petals, absorb soul, bramble tornado. and gale force.

as a sage, i have unlimited chi to spam any skill i want. but yeah i agree it does depends on your playing style. but more dmg+more chi+ 9 secs anti stun+ puri proc made me chose to go sage over demon.

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

You're crazy, lol. Sage does have an overall better energy leech, but I personally have never needed the extra time. Demon Rapid growth is far better than sage. Sage will occasionally reset its cooldown, but demon will always grant an extra -10% channeling. Sage falling petals is bad, demon version is at least more QoL. Sage Gale Force is sht, Demon version is awesome, why slow them, when you can almost always reduce their movement to 0% as well as take away their casting ability more reliably.

Anti stun the longest the better. (i can tell you that i see some bm rage when they can't stun me for 9 sec.)

Sage rapid growth can be awesome, sometime i can cast it 5 times back to back, sage falling petal is not that bad, yes demon is better but that doesn't mean the skill is **** not demon, demon CAN be up to 5 minutes, but in PvP/TW both demon/sage falling petal disappear after be attacked.

For Gale force tbh that freeze or silence so often that i'm not really sure that make a huge difference, while sage freeze or silence and slow.

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

Demon had Gale Force, Thicket, Rapid Growth, Swirling Mist, and Falling Petals.

A bunch of skills that have a ''chance'' to do something.

Like i said personally my sage GF really often freeze or silence (and slow is 100% chance), demon have 35% chance to freeze, but that can also do nothing or silence.
Thicket demon have the chance to increase damage taken, my sage thicket always do 1.5k damage more.
Swirling Mist demon have the chance to reduce wood resistance, while sage always do 800 damage more.

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

Go sage if you wanna solo instances, go demon if you want more of a change in gameplay than what you've already been doing.

From what i read on forum in different threads demon mystic complain that the ''chance'' they have on skills doesn't work often, Cragg demon is a good exemple, many complain that even after summon 50 times it still cost the 2 sparks, while from what i see sage skills that have a ''chance'' to do something do it really often, like i said my sage RG that have 25% chance to clean CD often clean it, sometime i'm up to use it 5-6 times back to back, how many can say that with demon cragg that have also 25% chance to cast with only one spark? My sage BitC normally purify me in less than 5 cast. Maybe i'm just really lucky and always get in the % chance to get the ''bonus'', but so far often i see demon complain the chance doesn't work well while sage say they got the chance really often.

First off i hope we all know either cultivation is better then the other, only in someones opinion of play style. I went sage full magic all that good stuff, and loved it. Until i pvp'ed with a demon mystic, which i like much much better. Not that I'd just spam NV-AS all day, but if you hit someone with AS they won't wake from sleep. This is better for a demon to perform obviously because of that channeling stuff. So pick your own order; spark,rapid growth, listless, NV, lyse, AS, AS,AS, AS. You know you can lyse a befuddling creeper in there at some point. Anyways combos could go on and on.

To the o.p. mystics are very versatile so for that we may not have as many straight offensive skills as you may think. It is a necessity to acquire Weeping breeze dance AND lucky break. The two 100 offensive skills, don't waste the coin getting the heal skill til say all the pages are farmed from the treasure quests. Stay sexy my lovely tree huggers.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Anti stun the longest the better. (i can tell you that i see some bm rage when they can't stun me for 9 sec.)

Can't argue with concrete observations.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Sage rapid growth can be awesome, sometime i can cast it 5 times back to back, sage falling petal is not that bad, yes demon is better but that doesn't mean the skill is **** not demon, demon CAN be up to 5 minutes, but in PvP/TW both demon/sage falling petal disappear after be attacked.

Demon lasts long enough to be able to be cast at base and protect for a reasonable amount of time. lvl 10 or Sage version won't last long enough to make it to the enemy's base and may often go to waste, but the only thing sage really brings to the table is the extra healing over lvl 10. It'd be cooler if it were like demon ironheart, but meh. Demon is also nice, for not having to rebuff as often when you're looking for PvP, but on this dead server it takes forever so you'd probably be standing around idle for a while, but you don't have to rebuff as often, which is what I meant when I said it's mostly just QoL. Never even called sage **** since demon isn't too noteworthy, but it at least offers more than just a heal bonus. No one really cares that much about a mana regen skill that's less than it costs and isn't spammable.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

For Gale force tbh that freeze or silence so often that i'm not really sure that make a huge difference, while sage freeze or silence and slow.

My own experiences with lvl 10 gale force say it was reliable, but having near guaranteed chance is just much more awesome. It's pretty much like how psys for the most part actually COUNT on their earth vector to proc and it's not iffy.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Like i said personally my sage GF really often freeze or silence (and slow is 100% chance), demon have 35% chance to freeze, but that can also do nothing or silence.
Thicket demon have the chance to increase damage taken, my sage thicket always do 1.5k damage more.
Swirling Mist demon have the chance to reduce wood resistance, while sage always do 800 damage more.

The thing about thicket, is when it procs you can really tell a difference, but a measly 1.5k dmg is nothing, especially once that 1.5k has to go through resistances and pvp reductions, no scaling on it at all. Same goes for sage swirling mist. Demon thicket and swirling mist give scaling when they proc, sage versions have little difference from a non proc'd demon version, besides the bonus from sage mastery, but does mastery even effect thicket?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

From what i read on forum in different threads demon mystic complain that the ''chance'' they have on skills doesn't work often, Cragg demon is a good exemple, many complain that even after summon 50 times it still cost the 2 sparks, while from what i see sage skills that have a ''chance'' to do something do it really often, like i said my sage RG that have 25% chance to clean CD often clean it, sometime i'm up to use it 5-6 times back to back, how many can say that with demon cragg that have also 25% chance to cast with only one spark? My sage BitC normally purify me in less than 5 cast. Maybe i'm just really lucky and always get in the % chance to get the ''bonus'', but so far often i see demon complain the chance doesn't work well while sage say they got the chance really often.

Cragg is kinda a bad example actually. I wasn't disappointed to hear about Blossom's not procing at all. I don't have the skill, and I could care less if I actually get it. Neither version really has any use in PvP, sage won't be alive long enough to use the extra 3 seconds and if it does, it won't be in range to utilize them. Still don't see how Blossom could count as "many". I know most people say Sage Mastery is better, and I for the most part agree, but demon is pretty awesome as well. You gotta consider that most end game fights in PvP are decided by crits. That's how I end most of my fights anyway, but we have lucky break. I haven't really had much bad luck with chance skills tbh. If swirling mist doesn't proc it still does more dmg than a nature's vengeance and helps me get past the charm tick, and if demon thicket doesn't proc, the other debuffs are still there and sage would've barely done more dmg.

Not so much for base buffing, but more like tossing it on people who pass by when you're not preoccupied.

chatx wrote: »

~Edit: I dont know how my Avatar was changed >.> and posted me as new poster...

Happens to me too recently b:sad

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

I've never said in any of my posts that sage is bad. I acknowledge that sage is bad. All I've done is stated my personal opinion and experiences, which is what EVERYONE has been doing. Forums are a place for discussion so everyone is supposed to state their opinion. You don't have to agree with me or not, and you wanna know why? Because if EVERYONE had the same opinion there would be nothing to discuss. I've never discredited any genuinely valid point where sage has an advantage, in fact, I've even mentioned sage is better single target dps and soloing. Both of which are nothing to be scoffed at. Get your thoughts straight before making such claims. *coolbearwave*

My thoughts are straight. You mean the opinions where you call sage versions sht or just plain bad because you dont like it. Unless your avatar is wrong, youre not even 99 and cant even learn the demon version of some said skills....so how can you even include it into your gameplay? But if you are 99+ more power to you. Unlike you, my comments and opinions dont include me saying demon versions being "sht" like you call sage versions. My point was that you quote the people who write something good about a sage skill and you quote them and call them crazy and continue with an explanation of how sage is "good" but how demon is way better. Just look at the thread?? You quoted bella i think her name was on all her opinions and argued as to why shes wrong...when its her opinion. This thread wasnt started to start some argument that you have led it to be about how one path out does the other. You didnt just state your opinion chose to argue with others peoples opinion.

VoItaire - Harshlands wrote: »

Sage falling petals is bad, demon version is at least more QoL. Sage Gale Force is sht...

^ he was probably referring to that b:chuckle

I'm personally not offended by Voltaire, i know him, he was even one of the person i pmed directly in game to ask about demon/sage when i needed to choose my culti, i know he like demon and yes ofc he suggest me to go demon, but i personally followed my ''heart'' to sage and love it, as i will defend sage, he do the same with demon, we say what we think and why.