Wich Class is the best for grinding?

OOXiaoOo - Lost City
OOXiaoOo - Lost City Posts: 23 Arc User
edited July 2012 in General Discussion
Wich Class is the best for grinding?... sry for bad englishb:cry
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Venos. That tail (or antlers) really gets them going.

    ...

    The herc doesn't hurt either.
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    100 Demon BM*/Barb
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  • Linkmas - Sanctuary
    Linkmas - Sanctuary Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i would vote for archers .
    all i do is sit somewhere , Tab , F1 ( thats my auto attack) , Tab , F1 , and repeat till eternity.
    mobs die in 1-4 shots b:laugh mobs cant even get to me , so i dont get any dammage , the pot drops shooould cover any .
    2-3 mins later spark and then Tab , F1 really fast and I gte about 4-5 mobs in 15 sec .
    sometimes , i have to wait for the mobs to respawn b:surrender
    Archers = the best grinding class.
  • Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    depends what you're gronding for...
    In case of coin, I agree with the above. Veno or archer. Low repairs, so more profit.

    If you're grinding for DQpoints however I'd go with a bm or seeker.
    Gather a lot of mobs > aoe > pick up drops > repeat.
    It's more costly though because of repairs and more potions needed.
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  • rhianwena
    rhianwena Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I would go with Wiz. I use mine to farm. I make focus powder at the apoth which causes my mana to regenerate at 50 per second. Because of that I never need to use a pot. And with high damage I can kill any mob my level in two shots sometime one. I often read on my kindle when I farm because it takes so little effort when using my Wiz. Like the archer I just use the tab/F1 and I don't really even need to watch the screen.
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    rhianwena wrote: »
    I would go with Wiz...

    I also will vote for Wizard (because he is my main). But about mana ... Today I will spent more than 60k MP may be .
  • Slegtst - Dreamweaver
    Slegtst - Dreamweaver Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    depends what you're gronding for...
    In case of coin, I agree with the above. Veno or archer. Low repairs, so more profit.

    If you're grinding for DQpoints however I'd go with a bm or seeker.
    Gather a lot of mobs > aoe > pick up drops > repeat.
    It's more costly though because of repairs and more potions needed.
    I agree on the repairs, but when i go out AOE grinding i try to get bp from a sin. Any level will work actually. Never ever have to pot/sutra or heal yourself in any other way.

    In case there is no sin available, things like Life Powder will do. An extra 50HP/sec seems like totally nothing, but it still helps in saving pots/crabmeat. I consider Life Powder free btw. It takes zero effort to farm a stack, and that stack will last you a long time. If 50hp/sec extra wont cut it, use Healing Orbs.

    I made alot of money this way during 2x when i wasnt Nirvy ready yet. There was even a time i sold stacks of DQ101 for over 1.5M each. Mostly to people going for R9.
  • laloner
    laloner Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    How about none because grinding sucks?


    Though to be honest I've done a ton of grinding myself. When they were giving 2x DQ points I grinded my way to that horse and thats a lot of grinding. But overall grinding mobs isn't something to choose a class by. Because they're are better ways of making money and better ways of getting experience. My non-fist archer got rejected from a lot of TT squads but I still made more money from TT runs then grinding. Imagine how much I would have made with a class that gets into squads easy. And after about 40 at the latest grinding doesn't make your exp bar budge I don't know how people could stand it before BHs came along.

    And money wise every class has a type of mob its good at. Watch a cleric grinding on DOT magic mobs. They gather them up, purify the DOT and then aoe them. Its impressive to see and balances out all the mobs that give clerics trouble.

    If what your worried about is finishing the kill 40 rat quests after 40 that doesn't even matter. After 40 you get so much experience from BH and later on FC that you can skip all the quests except culti and maybe OHT.


    Anyway my overall point is grinding ability is prolly the worst reason to pick a class. If you just want to make money say so, if you want to solo say that. If you want to level up fast say so. Name your motive for wanting a good grinding class and you will get better answers.
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  • rhianwena
    rhianwena Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    But about mana ... Today I will spent more than 60k MP may be .

    My farming Wiz is lower level so focus powder works great for me. I find farming lower level mats easier than higher levels. I can do it alone and I almost never have to compete with others for mobs, except during 2x. And since most people on PW seem to have severe ADD (i.e no patience) I sell out of mats faster than I can farm them. I'm building up a very nice nest egg.
  • kmzcss
    kmzcss Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I wanna grind DQ and some money too
  • gouraudpalm2
    gouraudpalm2 Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    laloner wrote: »
    How about none because grinding sucks?


    Though to be honest I've done a ton of grinding myself. When they were giving 2x DQ points I grinded my way to that horse and thats a lot of grinding. But overall grinding mobs isn't something to choose a class by. Because they're are better ways of making money and better ways of getting experience. My non-fist archer got rejected from a lot of TT squads but I still made more money from TT runs then grinding. Imagine how much I would have made with a class that gets into squads easy. And after about 40 at the latest grinding doesn't make your exp bar budge I don't know how people could stand it before BHs came along.

    And money wise every class has a type of mob its good at. Watch a cleric grinding on DOT magic mobs. They gather them up, purify the DOT and then aoe them. Its impressive to see and balances out all the mobs that give clerics trouble.

    If what your worried about is finishing the kill 40 rat quests after 40 that doesn't even matter. After 40 you get so much experience from BH and later on FC that you can skip all the quests except culti and maybe OHT.


    Anyway my overall point is grinding ability is prolly the worst reason to pick a class. If you just want to make money say so, if you want to solo say that. If you want to level up fast say so. Name your motive for wanting a good grinding class and you will get better answers.

    You are correct kind sir
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Really depends on what you're grinding. Surprised people would say veno over mystic.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Depend on what you grind, on the spider i'll say cleric, the other class i see farm spiders take them one by one while on cleric i can take a huge group.

    About veno/mystic i prefer on mystic, more AOEs, gale force is kinda spammable, mistress/cragg are the only pet with a AOE, plus i can heal myself and in my case since i'm sage i can purify too if needed, invigorate give me 20% more damage on skills.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    At endgame archers are by far the fastest grinders. You can see this after the first phase of the tiger event where archers score 30-40% higher than other classes. That's a straight test of grinding speed.
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  • OOXiaoOo - Lost City
    OOXiaoOo - Lost City Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Cleric is good for griding DQ?
  • Mekkhala - Lost City
    Mekkhala - Lost City Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    New way of grinding DQ fast (assuming the poster has unusual dedication and wants his DQ very badly).

    Step 1. Find a server that isn't dead like LC.

    Step 2. Lvl a sin past 100.

    Step 3. Go into Morai and get Spoils of War.

    Step 4. Find players that don't carry scrolls in grinding areas (such as spiders at avalanche).

    Since the victim can drop up to 4 stacks of DQ at a time, it can be rather profitable if you're looking for DQ. And thats how I can be optimistic about an otherwise utterly useless sin skill.

    OR you could simply make a wizz, arch, or seeker and go grind map 3.

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  • Mekkhala - Lost City
    Mekkhala - Lost City Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    Really depends on what you're grinding. Surprised people would say veno over mystic.

    I think the original poster is talking about DQ farming, and veno would be superior, and cheaper for that:
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    OOXiaoOo - Lost City wrote: »
    Cleric is good for griding DQ?

    For the spider yes, they can pull a huge group of spider and one shot them with tempest. (ofc depend on the magic attack of the person and the lvl of tempest.)
    Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »
    I think the original poster is talking about DQ farming, and veno would be superior, and cheaper for that:

    I don't think so, mystic DD more than veno, mystic have more AOE, mystic pets have AOE which veno pets don't have.
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Archer is the best.If i want to grind for dq on a x2 event i use my archer.By the time a cleric can grab alot of magic mobs such as spiders,an archer basicly kills that many by the time a cleric is done.
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Archer is the best.If i want to grind for dq on a x2 event i use my archer.By the time a cleric can grab alot of magic mobs such as spiders,an archer basicly kills that many by the time a cleric is done.

    Oh i don't say cleric is better than archer, i say cleric are good for grind the spiders (more than some other class).
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »
    I don't think so, mystic DD more than veno, mystic have more AOE, mystic pets have AOE which veno pets don't have.

    Veno is capable of rounding up ~50 [?] mobs at a time and 1 shot aoe'ing them w/o getting hit, BUT it's not cheaper: Mystic is cheaper. Invigorate > Amp; Mystic Summons > veno pet; Mystic heals > Metabolic Boost; etc, and they're cheaper.
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  • laloner
    laloner Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The issue isn't if clerics can grind.

    The issue is that grinding shouldn't determine your choice of class. Whatever limited value grinding still has in this game is outweighed by other issues like getting into squads.

    ps. it took me an hour to find the right spelling for outweighed
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    laloner wrote: »
    The issue isn't if clerics can grind.

    The issue is that grinding shouldn't determine your choice of class. Whatever limited value grinding still has in this game is outweighed by other issues like getting into squads.

    ps. it took me an hour to find the right spelling for outweighed

    This can flip flop. Assassins were once in high demand and now are scoffed at.
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  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Archer is the best.If i want to grind for dq on a x2 event i use my archer.By the time a cleric can grab alot of magic mobs such as spiders,an archer basicly kills that many by the time a cleric is done.

    Agreed. I have used my cleric to grind spiders but I actually find my archer is faster, even without triple sparking (which makes it faster yet). Plus I find it easier to just tab and attack than to spend time rounding up all the spiders. Whenever I feel like grinding DQs now, I use my archer.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    This can flip flop. Assassins were once in high demand and now are scoffed at.

    Assassins are "scoffed at" mostly because plenty of the high level content is stuff that Assassins are not good at. Take BH for example. Since the change, people have started doing DPH-type approaching to Seat and Abaddon, which leads to Assassins being a burden. Out of the other BHs, Assassins aren't good at all in Delta and in Metal and Lunar they fall short of the usefulness of BMs.

    Similarly, Assassins aren't exactly known for their performance in TW. Most people frown at Assassins who PK, even if the Assassin does not use "cheap" tactics like stealth and auto-attacking.

    So that just leaves you with farming. But since the community is the way it is, farming is only done during 2x drops.

    Interesting note: I've been to a BH Seat a few times now since the change. It looks like the standard approach is to APS as much as you can until one or more of the DDs die, then have the barb pull the boss to the entrance and kill it after the dead DDs return. Especially ironic considering that it's always been the BMs, whom have more than sufficient DPH tools at their disposal, who just spark and auto-attack.
    Agreed. I have used my cleric to grind spiders but I actually find my archer is faster, even without triple sparking (which makes it faster yet). Plus I find it easier to just tab and attack than to spend time rounding up all the spiders. Whenever I feel like grinding DQs now, I use my archer.

    I found that an Assassin fits pretty well too. With Tidal Protection, there's a pretty good chance that the wood magic will miss you entirely, meaning you take no damage. And even if you do, you can instantly purify it with a spark.
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  • mrpeach69
    mrpeach69 Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Assassins are "scoffed at" mostly because plenty of the high level content is stuff that Assassins are not good at. Take BH for example. Since the change, people have started doing DPH-type approaching to Seat and Abaddon, which leads to Assassins being a burden. Out of the other BHs, Assassins aren't good at all in Delta and in Metal and Lunar they fall short of the usefulness of BMs.

    Similarly, Assassins aren't exactly known for their performance in TW. Most people frown at Assassins who PK, even if the Assassin does not use "cheap" tactics like stealth and auto-attacking.

    So that just leaves you with farming. But since the community is the way it is, farming is only done during 2x drops.

    Interesting note: I've been to a BH Seat a few times now since the change. It looks like the standard approach is to APS as much as you can until one or more of the DDs die, then have the barb pull the boss to the entrance and kill it after the dead DDs return. Especially ironic considering that it's always been the BMs, whom have more than sufficient DPH tools at their disposal, who just spark and auto-attack.



    I found that an Assassin fits pretty well too. With Tidal Protection, there's a pretty good chance that the wood magic will miss you entirely, meaning you take no damage. And even if you do, you can instantly purify it with a spark.

    Delta...depends on one's skill and gear. My R9 sin can easily do his part by helping protect the cleric from back spawns and ranged attackers. Spark->Inner->SS->Earthen is nothing to frown upon if used along with a well placed mire+HF. So I agree to disagree.

    Now onto the topic...I disagree with archer being the best. Arrows get to be just as expensive as repairs on a BM. A BM can easily pull 6-8 phys mobs (would be more if the damn things wouldn't go yellow on meh) and aoe them to death in 1-3 hits (if well geared). So I'd say BM is better...but not best. An assassin is by far the best for grinding. The reason I say this...little to no pots used...and massive output of damage. Yes sins only have 2 aoe skills...but the damage output is incredible. Though I digress, it really depends on the gear used, and how well you play your character. I'm merely going by my own personal experience, as my sin has the best weapon of all 3.

    lvl101 archer with R8 +6 bow used a ton of mp pots...and some hp pots...repairs weren't too bad, but used at lot of arrows.
    lvl101 BM with Morai G15 +5 axes used more mp pots but pulling was easier...no hp pots with BP...repairs were highest, but still raked in more coin than archer after repairs etc.
    lvl101 sin with R9 +10 daggers used little mp pots and no hp pots...brought in more than archer and BM combined...with R8 +5 daggers still brought in more than both, just not quite as much.

    All 3 character share the same belt, necklace, tome, wrists, boots, legs, helm, and cape
    All 3 characters had cleric buffs.

    Keep in mind to state the best one must factor in ALL costs including pots, repairs, ammo, and even down to chi used on genie skills.

    I am unable to make a statement on any other class...but barb isn't even worth mentioning lol

    Edit: forgot to mention all classes tested on same mobs in Morai for 1hr...stopped when cleric buffs ran out...buffed on site since travel speeds would've effected the actual grinding time
  • Mekkhala - Lost City
    Mekkhala - Lost City Posts: 303 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    OK srsly guys

    The best class for grinding is whatever class you can play for hours on end with the least amount of boredom.

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