BB Vs. Purify/heal in BH59 (Drake and Glutt)

Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear
Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Cleric
There has been some arguments among people about which is the best way to handle drake and glutt in bh59. As a cleric and 4 year vet on here AS a cleric i have always used BB and never had an issue with it on Drake and Glutt. But there has been a "new generation" of clerics that have been taught to purify these 2 bosses cuz of the fire. My take on that is you will forever be purifying and less healing and squad members can get into danger of dying especially if the play ping pong agro. It may cost more MP but its less work and safer on everyone to just use BB.

What is everyone elses thoughts? Am i missing something as to why these clerics are being taught to not BB on drake and glutt and purify/heal instead?
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  • SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver
    SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    To be honest I am glad that new clerics have learnt how to IH and purify a tank. What I find more annoying is when clerics put up BB every two seconds because it is the 'safe' option. Sure both methods work and yes BB is overall safer for the whole squad as most DDs no longer know how to control agro. A lot of bosses can be done without BB and a cleric shouldn't be BBing just because it is 'less work'.
  • Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear
    Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    good point. they will need to learn that for pole in bh69
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'm a old cleric and i never used BB in BH59....
    Wow people now BB even in BH59...
    BH59 don't need BB.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I wouldn't want to drop BB with a stack of mag DoT on the tank when it could be avoided with less MP to begin with. BB is over used.
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  • violetvalor
    violetvalor Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Plus, there are bosses where you cannot maintain BB for it gets broken/interrupted.

    Xx_BeLLa_xX, I am from Harshlands too. I have seen people use BB in BH51 and even BH39 if they could.

    P.S. When I was learning the cleric ways, they taught us to IH/Purify whenever possible. It was only later on that I saw others use BB so much. So my experience is kind of backwards compared to the OP.
  • Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear
    Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i was taught to BB all in 59 but that was 3 years ago. the only time i have BB in 51 is at wyvrn before his aoe went full 360 and my fac. leader requested it. i have never seen anyone BB in 39 are you kidding me? lol... but yeah ive BB'd in 59 no one ever complained. today i ran with a squad and she refused to BB at drake and glutt and we were all like wtf?! cuz we were use to it... she left after she said shes been a cleric 6 years and i called her on it LOL. oh well... ive seen more squad wipeouts without BB than with. I just prefer with.
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I know now cleric BB for everything, they are in squad of 10 they will still BB for one mob....

    I leveled 2 clerics no power level, and i've done a lot of BH59 i never BB and was never asked to BB, the boss are not AOE why BB except if the cleric is lazy? When the boss don't AOE there's no reason to BB. (unless the boss in BH59 now AOE and i didn't know)
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  • Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear
    Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    well i BB on bosses specifically because i am physically disabled and only can use my left hand and i use touchpad on a laptop. to me its easier and better for the squad. They will surely die because i cant switch ppl fast enough.. i never FF due to ppl calling me a fail cleric and yelling at me. i think i do pretty good for my condition. i come to have fun not get yelled at. but i dont BB at one mob thats stupid and a waste of chi. only time i BB outside of bosses are when the squad is bombared and all getting hit hard and i cant keep up. But thats my specific condition.
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  • Flickerfae - Sanctuary
    Flickerfae - Sanctuary Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If that's the case, then yes, BB makes far more sense for you. No one's really saying that one way is obviously better than the other--the cleric who quit when you asked her to BB was obviously stuck in a rut. No one needs an inflexible healer.

    I was never taught to BB at any bosses excepting certain ones in TT and FCC. IH is far more efficient, mana-wise. Throw in a Chromatic every now and then, and most AoEs will be fine. I've never had much trouble with Glut... though I know I have thrown BB up a couple times at wyvern in bh51.

    My concern is that, when DDs see BB go up, they figure that aggro is obviously now a free-for-all, because they'll be fine if they steal, right? Sometimes, that's true, but you occasionally get the idiot who steals aggro, gets killed, and then forces you to drop BB to rez them. And this is while everyone else is still taking aoe damage, at that, forcing you to stack heals on everyone before you can even think of rezing, all while the DD who started it is typing REZ ME PLX, and you want to type back 'WAIT A FRCKING MINUTE' except you're too busy casting heals....

    Yeah. That's happened to me a couple times during a BB.

    I suppose I just prefer the greater control of heal-stacking tanks, purifying, and occasionally IHing melees or Chromaticing to keep everyone else's charms up. I find this style of healing more engaging, and less stressful than setting up BB and then sitting on my thumbs for the entire fight. If something goes wrong, BB is the last place I wanna be.

    Again, it's a matter of personal preference or style. As long as the party stays healed, either manner works.
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  • VenusArmani - Dreamweaver
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,009 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i was taught to BB all in 59 but that was 3 years ago. the only time i have BB in 51 is at wyvrn before his aoe went full 360 and my fac. leader requested it. i have never seen anyone BB in 39 are you kidding me? lol... but yeah ive BB'd in 59 no one ever complained. today i ran with a squad and she refused to BB at drake and glutt and we were all like wtf?! cuz we were use to it... she left after she said shes been a cleric 6 years and i called her on it LOL. oh well... ive seen more squad wipeouts without BB than with. I just prefer with.

    Some people have been playing since before PWI was a thing and PWI going into it fourth year. PW debuted in 2005. It sounds like she knew what she was doing and didn't appreciate the attitude towards her of the squad. There's a difference between being all like WTF YOU MUST USE BB! And arguing with her about join dates (was likely a typo and she has been 5 years, since many vets started in pw-my before coming here) And asking her nicely to BB. You could have at least tried it her way without it, i'm sure it would've worked out just fine. There are people behind these toons you know, and some of em are a bit sensitive. I know its petty but if you've been playing cleric for many years you do get tired of DDs trying to dictate your play-style when you know for a fact you can keep everyones charm from being ticked and keep everyone alive the way you've been doing it. Most people are super nice and you often get a TON of friend requests as a cleric, but there is always someone who is going to dictate how you play your toon before you even get a chance to heal. You may prefer it with BB but when I first started playing it was also a toss up whether or not you'd get BB. More often that not it wasn't used on those bosses because it is completely unnecessary and potentially dangerous to the squad if a DD dies through bb and you have to drop to rez. TBH it's better to IH/PURI drake and glutt, and to toss an ih to any squad member that might get aggro. This way you can also debuff bosses, which makes the run go faster.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The only time I've even considered BB in there is at times where I've needed to run off for a minute or so and didn't want to setup a heal macro that might have failed me or the like.

    IH + Purify for those bosses has always been the thing to do there up until the newer generation of BB everywhere and no sense of aggro control. Hell, when BH just came around, I'd ask the barbs to go human and have a ranged DD tank it just so those bosses would do nothing but use their DoT. Which wound up making healing disturbingly easy to the point where I was honestly able to DD more than I needed to heal.

    In your situation, it's understandable why you'd prefer BB. Especially with the advent of sins and people who don't know how to control their aggro. However, most of the older generation (at least that I know of) aren't going to ask for BB and will actually end up asking why it's being used if they go in there and a cleric chooses to do so.
  • laloner
    laloner Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    My concern is that, when DDs see BB go up, they figure that aggro is obviously now a free-for-all, because they'll be fine if they steal, right? Sometimes, that's true, but you occasionally get the idiot who steals aggro, gets killed, and then forces you to drop BB to rez them. And this is while everyone else is still taking aoe damage, at that, forcing you to stack heals on everyone before you can even think of rezing, all while the DD who started it is typing REZ ME PLX, and you want to type back 'WAIT A FRCKING MINUTE' except you're too busy casting heals....

    **** them. I've played squishy DDers and if I take aggro I stop shooting, pop a pot hopefully crab meat, and hit a genie skill. How often does that not work. If squishy DDs take aggro and die then they are not playing their class right.
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'm sorry for your condition, but maybe you should think to play a other class (DD) that you can just use maccro, on some higher boss you cannot BB, ex:BH69 nob and pole you can't BB you absolutely need to IH & purify the tank and keep other alive, you might find it hard with your condition.

    Some other place BB drop constantly and you don't have choice to keep the squad alive with other skills.
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  • Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear
    Sweet/N/Low - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Well my cleric is 91 now i no longer do bh69 and i did ok with pole as long as ppl didnt agro bounce. and i have an 81 bm, 72 archer, and 66 sin i play with. I rarely play cleric anymore unless its bh79 (to get exp). i like my sin a lot because she is quick and its easier. archer is ok but i tend to tab something not being attaked and pull mobs that dont need killing lol. i made my BM to tank bt im learning there is about as much stress on the tank than their is the cleric. i rarely play her either. ATM im in sin mode.b:victory I have one of each class
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    BB has two real purposes: to heal the other 5 people from the boss aoes, and to reduce hits that normally would 1-2 shot a player. Drake and Glut don't aoe, and their hits are quite week so there really is no point in bbing there. What does become a danger is their small hits plus stacked DoTs combining, which is why every 15 seconds or so the tank should be purified which you can't do while kicking up a heel in bb.

    Other bosses, like Qianji or even Zimo have decently strong attacks and will combine them in this way:

    physical.....physical.....physical.....physical , magical..... repeat.

    It's that phys+ magic double attack that tends to plow right through squishies. If they have bloodpaint then your full IH stack may only account for a fraction of the heals they're getting. What they really need to survive is bb's damage reduction. Combine 50% damage reduction and their own paint heals and they should be fine, even without the actual heal of the bubble.

    So Zimo, Ofo, Qianji I'd use bubble. Especially because aggro bounces and people die quickly. Glut and Drake I'd IH+purify and watch for aggro changes carefully.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    reasons for BB: aggro ping pong (59 can be tanked by anyone and DoTs are pretty weak for mages; psys can purify that anyway) (charm ticks saves)
    reasons against BB: debuffs, extra DD

    i find it hard to believe that (At bh range or more) there would be a healing issue either way
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    reasons for BB: aggro ping pong (59 can be tanked by anyone and DoTs are pretty weak for mages; psys can purify that anyway) (charm ticks saves)

    I think people lvl 5x-6x are rarely charm theses day and a cleric using BB for the easy way waste the chance to get experience, cause on some higher boss you cannot BB and need to deal with the aggro switching to people, the sooner a cleric will deal with it without BB the sooner the cleric will be good. (check a a cleric who BB in 59 cry in bh69 where he need to keep squad all squad alive without BB)
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