need help from pro's

qooe wrote: »

but the fist type can reach the 5.00 aspd right? ive been reading from other forums.. hmmm... they say in the hell path.. but ill worry about that later coz its a high lvl thing right? BUT i really want that 5.00 aspd! hahaha.. read some assassin threads and seems even the creator of the guide doesn't have confidence on his post about dueling other class (if you can read this, sorry.. just my personal assessment.. don't mind me LOL).. and forgot to ask you an important question.. what is your character? lvl? and opinion on your character..

5.0 is not reachable until 99/100 for Sins or BMs.

However, starting at 85 in particular, you can start utilizing equipment that has an impact on your APS. Even at 2.86 there is a noticeable difference in amount of damage done.

In terms of dueling and PK, the BM is difficult to play but effective. Sins are insane and rapidly destroy the unprepared, and even the prepared if played well. In the TW scene, Sins have very limited use, but BMs are of wide use and highly sought after.

My character is on the left below the picture <----

Server: Heavens Tear.... just guessing b:chuckle

and a good idea.. listen to the advice... i didn't read alot before starting my bm(1st char at all), and made a few mistakes, wich i got to correct at some point.. but lacking some DEX for the fists I want when I get up in the right lvl for them, is one of the things gonne a bit wrong.

Mostly doing 3 str 2 dex and a few 3 str 1 dex 1 vit

XxXvixonXxX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Fist BMs r ok when ya got the aps gear at end game 99+ but you WILL NEED to use axes for Heavens Flame doing stat points 3 str 2 dex each level will allow you to use both fists and axes BUT i sorry but USSRbm is right using fists below lvl 99 without the aps gear needed dont do much damage and be like ya not using a weapon at all so stick to you axes till ya got up to 99 and got the aps gear we not telling ya to use axes all the time just that squads like heavens flame and it a skill you cant use with fists

And this...is where you are both wrong.

I could easily Trio/Quad FF 89-94 with no healer. 95-99 I was duoing with a sin or soloing it. Easily and efficiently. Only reason I did Trios+ after 95 was to hang with friends.

This is only possible due to fists. Pure Axe build does not allow you to do such.

It's actually kind of embarrassing when you have to squad with a pure Axe BM in FF past 85. They don't build chi as effectively, cannot HF every thirty seconds, but do just as well as a 3/2 Fist/Axe BM with the aoe groups.

It's like having half a class. As if the sin didn't BP or didn't use some skill to get more aps.

If you wanna do pure one-style, go for it. You're only limiting yourself and letting your team down by being less powerful.

Just gonna say this right now:


run. run for your life and never look back, stop the download. Delete all the files and make sure you never return here.



This game is no longer "fun", it is a second job for those who play it (myself included). The fun factor died out a long, long, ...long time ago.

Fist require 1.5 str and 2 dex per level. Axes require 3 str and .5 dex. Combine the two and thats where we get the 3 str/2dex build. Everything else but bow and magic weapons falls somewhere in there.

Yes you can do a fist only build. It's not ideal, but it does open up the option of adding vitality. Continue to level the axes skills even if you are 1v1ing most things. Some axe skills have effects thats you'll want, like a 6 second stun (7.5 if demon), aoe slow effect, or most important is our skill Heaven's Flame. Heaven's Flame (HF) double all damage to the boss for 6 seconds (9 if demon). You can combine it with other amps and a good squad can have a period of about 8 seconds doing 600% damage and kill things extremely fast.

USSR tends not to read any responses to post, usually not even the entire question, before he gives his own 2 cents. Its okay to be fist from level 1.

In PWI our attack rate is calculated using interval between attacks. If you attack at 2 attacks per second that means you attack every .5 seconds. Fists start off with a speed of 1.43 aps (attacks per second) or one attack every .7 seconds. '-int' gear reduces that. The first piece of -.05 gear will reduce it to .65 int, or 1.54 aps which is a gain of about 7.5% damage, no big deal. But as you stack more and more -int the you start getting gains of 16%, 20%, and finally 25% which is how fist become our highest damage output weapon. But initially, before you have -int gear, their damage output is the same as axes. And you won't get -int gear for a while.

I had the option of using fists or axes from level 1 and preferred fists. Once you hit level 30 you start gaining chi each time you attack and every 100 chi you can spark which heals you a little and increases your damage. Some skills also use up chi. For me, the faster chi gain of fists made it preferable even at low levels before -int. Others preferred to round mobs up and hit multiple mobs with axes at one time. Their way you take more damage and use more mana, with fists you tend to kill 1 mob at a time instead of multiple but that mob would die faster than any single mob of a person using axes.

So if you want to use fists only still carry a pair of axes for using the skills. The build would be 2 dex, 1.5 str, and 1.5 stats to play with. You might try 2 dex, 3 str on odd levels and 2 dex, 2 str, 1vit on even levels. That way you'll have a little bit of vitality and have a decent amount of str for doing damage (every 150 str doubles your weapon damage). Happy Hunting.