demon cleric
Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear
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i know some will say that this should be put into the cleric section, but i want an all around response to this. Do clerics that go demon use light armor or can they stay arcane and or do they have 2 sets and switch armors frequently. plus id like to know which path most clerics are going for these days.
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Tiduswarrior Demon 101 (Main), Vanflyheight 100 (Demon RB2), SasukeZx 95 (Demon), Leobeastking 90s (Sage), Swiftterror 80s, AquaStriker 99 (Sage)
2nd Acc: BlademageX 88, RazorFalcon 89, RavenwingZ 79, Veilpor 73, TidalLight 30, SythrilZ 64, Stormthril 64
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Armor selection is a totally separate issue from the sage/demon decision. It all depends on your playstyle, really.0
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You can still get all around responses in the cleric forums. And TBH this topic has been covered extensively from every angle in that sub-forum. Plenty of people in there aren't only clerics. And anyway the person who'd have the best and most well informed opinion on this is someone who actually plays a cleric. For example some people don't get why clerics would want an anti stun when our seals sound so good on paper. But it's because those seals are extremely unreliable and apoth would be better used on other things.
Anyway no matter what culti choice you choose you are gimping your healing ability and offensive capabilities when you light armor. Most people go pure magic or stat a small amount of vit. Either or is fine.
And culti choice you should make once you've leveled the cleric at least a little bit so that you know your play style best and which one will work better with it. Clerics have a pretty honest culti choice and reading the stickies in the cleric forum will help you pick the one that is right for you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Read the skill descriptions (sage vs demon) and decide which fits your play style better.
For me, I chose sage because of the +50 chi skill and long range res. (among other things) I also know demon EPs that like the faster res cast and better chi building during casting. It really depends on what you plan to do with your cleric.
Also, your build is a personal choice. I had tons of vit 'til I got to 100, then I restated back to pure mag. Stat the way you want and listen to only yourself. You are the only one who knows how you play. Remember, for us EPs, shards are our friends. lol
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Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »i know some will say that this should be put into the cleric section, but i want an all around response to this. Do clerics that go demon use light armor or can they stay arcane and or do they have 2 sets and switch armors frequently. plus id like to know which path most clerics are going for these days.
You make work for the mods by posting in wrong forum. You make eye sore for us because we open it thinking it's related to General.
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You make work for the mods by posting in wrong forum. You make eye sore for us because we open it thinking it's related to General.
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You didn't saw the title? ''demon cleric'', pretty much obvious that's gonna be someone thing about demon cleric ijs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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To be perfectly honest, any LA cleric is a complete failure. Demon or Sage. (That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.)
Personally, choose the path that fits your play style the most.
I personally had originally intended to go Sage because I was almost a total support cleric.
Unfortunately, I had a problem with autopath, ended up running into the building while I was AFK, talked to the NPC, and before I knew it, I had inadvertently chosen Demon.
And the nice GM's told me that I was basically screwed.
Fortunately, changes in the game, and discovering what I really enjoy in the game, I found that Demon happened to be a damn good choice for me.
But that's just my story, we each have our own.
BTW, Here's some data on the choices. Personally, I prefer being able to kill the majority of mobs I come across in 2-3 shots. Taking down BM's and Barbs in 3-4 shots in TW is rather pleasing as well. I make up for the 'squishiness' by using garnets, refining, and filling my gaps with ornaments.
As was previously stated, this should be in the clerics forum, and you would have gotten the same response from me in roughly the same amount of time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »You didn't saw the title? ''demon cleric'', pretty much obvious that's gonna be someone thing about demon cleric ijs.
No; there could be a demon cleric post that is of general interest.0 -
yea i knew that some ppl were going to be saying that this should of been put into the cleric section and yeah i probably should of but guess i was hinting at replies from all classes. guess now i should of put this into the cleric section after all. plus here's the deal, atm my cleric is at 81 and im trying to somehow handle least 2 physical mobs at once which turned into a disaster in some areas. what i like bout the demon cleric skills is mainly the demon IH, purify and a few others. so far my play style is where i like grouping mag mobs atm but sure would like to do the same for the other kind (which is phys mobs).The Sure Shot that Flies Straight
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Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »yea i knew that some ppl were going to be saying that this should of been put into the cleric section and yeah i probably should of but guess i was hinting at replies from all classes. guess now i should of put this into the cleric section after all. plus here's the deal, atm my cleric is at 81 and im trying to somehow handle least 2 physical mobs at once which turned into a disaster in some areas. what i like bout the demon cleric skills is mainly the demon IH, purify and a few others. so far my play style is where i like grouping mag mobs atm but sure would like to do the same for the other kind (which is phys mobs).
Your post was a very cleric specific post. The only thing that could redeem it is the fact that there are a lot of idiot/ ignorant clerics posting in the cleric forum that think that fail builds can heal as good as pure mags, but those fails are contested. -And people who play other classes dependent on heals can often attest to how fail vit/LA can be. (I play a wiz and hate getting stuck with fail build clerics in RB).
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SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »To be perfectly honest, any LA cleric is a complete failure. Demon or Sage. (That's my opinion, and I'm stickin' to it.)
Personally, choose the path that fits your play style the most.
I personally had originally intended to go Sage because I was almost a total support cleric.
Unfortunately, I had a problem with autopath, ended up running into the building while I was AFK, talked to the NPC, and before I knew it, I had inadvertently chosen Demon.
And the nice GM's told me that I was basically screwed.
Fortunately, changes in the game, and discovering what I really enjoy in the game, I found that Demon happened to be a damn good choice for me.
But that's just my story, we each have our own.
BTW, Here's some data on the choices. Personally, I prefer being able to kill the majority of mobs I come across in 2-3 shots. Taking down BM's and Barbs in 3-4 shots in TW is rather pleasing as well. I make up for the 'squishiness' by using garnets, refining, and filling my gaps with ornaments.
As was previously stated, this should be in the clerics forum, and you would have gotten the same response from me in roughly the same amount of time.
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Choosing a different armor class then what your character was designed for doesn't work very well in this game. The only exceptions would basicly be for aps (to get the additional bonus from tt99 sets) and HA veno's, and well HA veno isn't something that's easy to do successfully I've seen more failures than success.
A cleric relies on high magic to heal every extra point you put into dex, str or even vit cuts your healing power. My cleric was orginially a vit hydrid I have 1 vit for every lvl 55 str and rest magic, It give me decent survivablity and with good weapon refines I hit pretty good. When I got higher refines on my gear I reset my vit and now I 1k less hp but I hit a whole lot harder and heal for more.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »That
Choosing a different armor class then what your character was designed for doesn't work very well in this game. The only exceptions would basicly be for aps (to get the additional bonus from tt99 sets) and HA veno's, and well HA veno isn't something that's easy to do successfully I've seen more failures than success.
A cleric relies on high magic to heal every extra point you put into dex, str or even vit cuts your healing power. My cleric was orginially a vit hydrid I have 1 vit for every lvl 55 str and rest magic, It give me decent survivablity and with good weapon refines I hit pretty good. When I got higher refines on my gear I reset my vit and now I 1k less hp but I hit a whole lot harder and heal for more.
Don't forget...
DEX points get you almost nothing in return. (add 15 points for +1% Crit and a minimal increase to evasion, then every 20 thereafter)
VIT points only give you 10hp per point. (when compared to the mag increase per point, it seems really stupid to put points to VIT)
MAG points increase your base magic attack by almost 100 for each point added. (more base magic means better DD and better heal power)
On top of that, you can quite easily get better Pdef than LA just by sharding with Garnet gems and refining your gear gives a much better hp return than VIT.
I find with any arcane character I play, if I build it Pure, the only things that I was not able to solo were the FB bosses, and a few of the physical attack bosses. (Charr, Florafang, Golden Boldwing, Dismal, Shade Eido, Bloodraged Cadaver and Haggist Geezlot were all perfectly solo-able at the level that the quest was obtained.)0 -
Just wanna say thank you to all that have posted here. i know now that LA on a cleric doesn't work well as much as the results are really low with it. since i got my answer, this is my last reply on this.
PS guess I'll post this sort of thing on cleric section next time.The Sure Shot that Flies Straight
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Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »PS guess I'll post this sort of thing on cleric section next time.
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Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »i know some will say that this should be put into the cleric section, but i want an all around response to this. Do clerics that go demon use light armor or can they stay arcane and or do they have 2 sets and switch armors frequently. plus id like to know which path most clerics are going for these days.
A LA cleric is more fail than a HA cleric. HA cleric is amazing if you can afford it. Just saying. :PI love puppies.... and sharp objects. b:pleased0 -
Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »i know some will say that this should be put into the cleric section, but i want an all around response to this. Do clerics that go demon use light armor or can they stay arcane and or do they have 2 sets and switch armors frequently. plus id like to know which path most clerics are going for these days.
I'm going to play mind reader here and say you are influenced by demon wizzes going LA. Since wizzies can increase their pdef with a buff and demon gives a greater increase there is a motive for wearing LA on wizzies especially demons.
But Rank gear has killed non-conformist builds IMO.
Anyway even though clerics are also casters they don't have the motive to wear LA that wizzies have.
I've never played cleric but I don't see how the culti choice would affect armor choice.AKA PermaSpark, Heartshatter0 -
TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »A LA cleric is more fail than a HA cleric. HA cleric is amazing if you can afford it. Just saying. :P
I think both are fail. I know one cleric with ''endgame'' LA and he admit himself his heals/attacks are very low and suck.
They LA i saw never reach endgame LA they always have TT90 max so with my TT99 and Rank stuff i still have more p.def/hp/magic power than them, so there's no point to go LA, that don't give any advantage.
So if LA suck, imagine HA.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »I think both are fail. I know one cleric with ''endgame'' LA and he admit himself his heals/attacks are very low and suck.
They LA i saw never reach endgame LA they always have TT90 max so with my TT99 and Rank stuff i still have more p.def/hp/magic power than them, so there's no point to go LA, that don't give any advantage.
So if LA suck, imagine HA.
LA is the worst armor in game. HA cleric works well for TW, but it costs a lot of money... you might as well just roll a sin or aps char. HA cleric doesn't need any points for vit, pure magic cleric is unnecessary unless you're a metal mage.I love puppies.... and sharp objects. b:pleased0 -
just thought id ask since i know a friend of a friend and the friend i know told me that they went demon with LA but changed over to arcane/sage path. so i was wondering if there it was necessary to go LA when going demon or can ya still go demon with AA.
PS sure like to see this thread come to a close soon.The Sure Shot that Flies Straight
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Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »just thought id ask since i know a friend of a friend and the friend i know told me that they went demon with LA but changed over to arcane/sage path. so i was wondering if there it was necessary to go LA when going demon or can ya still go demon with AA.
PS sure like to see this thread come to a close soon.
....no you can't go demon if you choose AA. Every single last cleric you see in AA is secretly a sage or too low to have picked a culti. Your friend is absolutely right and the stickies in the cleric forum about being able to choose cultis are all wrong. You don't need to read anything in the class subforums, just keep asking your genius friend. clerics are the only class that don't get a choice in culti only a choice in gear. Unlike your level 98 bm b:scorn
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I am a demon cleric. I have most of my demon skills. I like some sage buffs but i like demon cleric better. Imo sage rez is kinda stupid. why would you let your squad 40m away from you in tw in the first place? stay near and heal. also the rez is nice because it's like 3 secs and culd be less with channeling gear. I like Ih because it gives mana which is nice for me and the tank if i spam myself or spam him. Streams is a great skill because the phy def+ heal it's great. Tempest is a win for a 25% chance to freeze for 8 seconds is great in pvp or event tw if you doing a full guild push.
Edit: Forgot to mention i am a Pure AA Cleric. I have about 7k phy def which imo is ok. I want 10k and i have 5k hp. I'm aiming for around 10k buffed when i get some coins for refines and such.
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You know that the highlighted section above means you right?b:chuckleVanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »just thought id ask since i know a friend of a friend and the friend i know told me that they went demon with LA but changed over to arcane/sage path. so i was wondering if there it was necessary to go LA when going demon or can ya still go demon with AA.
PS sure like to see this thread come to a close soon.
Also, this thread was dead for two days when you revived it.
Nice trolling fail dude. You're Pro b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
The LA build is just a remnant of the old days where XP, good gear, survivability and critrate weren't as abundant as they are now.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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No; there could be a demon cleric post that is of general interest.
I just love a demon cleric's iron-heart spam.
It restores 300 mp with the health.
My R9 Wizard was able to solo the HH 2-3 final boss with the mana drain attack without one charm tick and only a handful of lvl 60 mana pots used with a demon ep spamming me from way up the wall.
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The only HA cleric I ever played with always insisted upon doing the pull in the frost big room. I always got a laugh out of that...TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »A LA cleric is more fail than a HA cleric. HA cleric is amazing if you can afford it. Just saying. :P0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »You know that the highlighted section above means you right?b:chuckle
Also, this thread was dead for two days when you revived it.
Nice trolling fail dude. You're Pro b:victory
why dont ya just shut up and go dig a hole somewhere and i didnt revive this thread i only replied to those after i said that i got my answer and was going to close it anyway. look on page 2 for your answerThe Sure Shot that Flies Straight
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