How to respond to fails that request spawnpoint RB BH?

thumbs · July 2012

Most people don't like instruction anyway, and it's rude to impose your fail on others that aren't expecting it. They already wasted my time by joining, and leader wastes my time by not kicking them. Rage quitting is practical. I don't owe you mooch bags a thing.

If they didn't go learn their AoE's after that: they deserve to be kicked, ditched, and ignored repeatedly forever and ever.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i like to dual log my cleric and barb. slap an mp charm on the cleric and put BB back farther than everyone else does.. pull mobs on barb like old style, but not taking as long as it used to. Cleric placed properly never gets hit or bb drop. peoples problems are that they insist to setup literally inside the spawn point. Mobs will immediately target the cleric due to heal aggro - and no surprise the squad dies.

-I wish more clerics would do this. I even suggest it and I get those blank stares like you get at Radio Shack if you ask them a question.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So if I decide not to run with a **** party... its rage quitting? What am I suppose to do? Stick around and carry a fail squad with my own resources? There are countless times where I have to freaking hold a BH boss with my OWN charm... cause some freaking idiot can't take the aoe hits when I specific told them to stay the f out of its aoe range since there is NO cleric. I would much rather ask a friend/guildie to help me open rb and solo it then run with some poor excuse for a DD.

-And my in game friends ask me why I solo so much. Glad to see someone understands.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · July 2012

And there we have it. They shouldn't have even joined the squad. It's rude for other people to exist and attempt to make money doing things that people used to do at 85+ in worst gears. It was rude for them to exist in the same squad as Thumbs in the first place. Nobody should join squads for fear someone in OP gear brings the great gift of their presence to a random squad and then insist on the conditions instead of just forming their own.

Squad leader doesn't owe you anything either. If you don't like the squad, just leave. There is no reason to be rude or rage quit or act like you are entitled to build other people's chars for them.

thumbs · July 2012

Lol @ the fails whining and trolling because someone is rallying people to stop tolerating them.

Facebook blessing isn't hard to get and is one of the best equips: there's no excuse for being poorly equipped and w/o one.

Skill descriptions are in the tool tips when going to upgrade skills. There's no excuse for not knowing over half your AoEs.

There's no excuse for a Lvl 101 to be using a +2 or less L80 or less weapon. Something makes me think they're too lazy to account stash their good weapon, so they place the burden on their squad instead.

Barbs are expected to be able to tank. Clerics are expected to be able to heal. DD should have expectations too.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · July 2012

thumbs wrote: »

Facebook blessing isn't hard to get and is one of the best equips: there's no excuse for being poorly equipped and w/o one.

There are plenty of reasons not to have a facebook blessing. Some people's fake facebooks get removed and they don't want to link it to their real ones for various reasons. I myself will never link it to my real facebook. I have to keep a certain degree of professionalism on my facebook and spamming people with ads for video games is unprofessional. Again, just because something works well for you doesn't mean others can do it. We are all different people in different circumstances and you don't need to be condescending and rude just because people are at stages than you are. I mean there is a difference between someone overhealing and just not knowing anything at all about their class and getting everyone killed.

Kerona - Sanctuary · July 2012

1) You don't need BB for RB

2) Sage Spirit's Gift or Demon IH

As you can see by, I don't know, simply reading the skill:

Range 28.0 meters
Mana 400.0
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 1.0 seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic Instruments

Requisite Cultivation Aware of the Void
Bless the target to restore 300 MP and 1200 HP plus
35% of your base magic attack over 15 seconds

Demon version also restores 300 MP.

Consumes 100 more MP than it restores. Sage Spirits Gift? Fine.

And every squad I've ever been in has requested BB at some point for the reduction in damage taken. Additionally, it's the cheapest most mana efficient way to AoE heal. Much cheaper than spamming Chromatic, much cheaper than IH stacking someone who can maintain aggro. And guess what?

You need pots to do all three.

thumbs · July 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There are plenty of reasons not to have a facebook blessing. Some people's fake facebooks get removed and they don't want to link it to their real ones for various reasons.

Find other players in game to add each other's fake account.

Again, just because something works well for you doesn't mean others can do it. We are all different people in different circumstances and you don't need to be condescending and rude just because people are at stages than you are. I mean there is a difference between someone overhealing and just not knowing anything at all about their class and getting everyone killed.

Where do I describe such subtle differences, and leave out whopping don't know half their AoE's? Think you got wrong thread.

Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »

As you can see by, I don't know, simply reading the skill:

Consumes 100 more MP than it restores. Sage Spirits Gift? Fine.

-Sorry my fail.

And every squad I've ever been in has requested BB at some point for the reduction in damage taken.

For me it's been expected, people rarely ask.

Additionally, it's the cheapest most mana efficient way to AoE heal.

Old school clerics can adapt. Most sins and venos don't need heals. Strong Seekers with BP probably don't either. When down to only having to heal 1-3 toons; AoE heals aren't always practical. Sage Vanguard Spirit, and Wings of Protection are options for damage reduction also. I've used VS in a macro to keep my Assassin alive on BHD w/o needing pots /charm.

Much cheaper than spamming Chromatic, much cheaper than IH stacking someone who can maintain aggro. And guess what?

You need pots to do all three.

Spamming Chromatic is laughable, and yeah impractical. I thought I mentioned something about having a good squad, and that it was possible. (Didn't say it was common practice). For Sage at least; you absolutely do not need pots if your squad kills fast enough; giving you enough time to stack Sage Spirit's Gift before BB'ing again.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · July 2012

thumbs wrote: »

Today I dropped out of a wave 2 SP. Mystic stood there with Devil out and only used Gale Force and Natures Vengeance. Cleric was R8 and pure or close to it, yet Mystic dropped healing herbs and not Befuddling. This Mystic had +7 R8 weapon, was lvl 101 and still sucked that bad. The level 105 sin was afk from the start.

I said "sorry but this squad is gonna fail. mystic doesn't even aoe". Mystic tells me they have 1 aoe: Gale Force. - Didn't regret dropping out.

For those that don't know this class: Storm Mistress has a very powerful mag AoE, Thicket is a very powerful 2 spark AoE, and Cragglord has very strong fire AoE. Befuddling Creeper AoE debuffs pdef and mdef. Mystic is one of the best DD's you can bring to RB as they can do 4 very good aoes within an HF, but not that pos.

1) You don't need BB for RB

2) Sage Spirit's Gift or Demon IH

There are a lot of fails on HT apparently. I suspect many are poorly learned / poorly geared alts used to moochbag BH runs and horde Nirvana keys. I see it's working for them, but I'm not there to teach people their class or compensate for their L80 weapon at L101.

There's fail people everywhere on all server, in game and IRL. 9 times on 10 i do that BH there 1-2 people going AFK and we still are able to do it.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think "use Thicket it's an aoe" takes less of your time and resources than rage quitting squad and finding a new one. IJS

I was doing that before, suggesting nicely to people what skill use, but after get answered many time ''i know my class and what i'm doing'', i give up try to ''help'', stupid people will stay stupid, closed mind people who don't want to learn will not change. The best is when you try to explain to a cleric that plume shot do physical damage and don't do damage in caster physical immunity boss and they argue saying that does damage on the boss..., i give up explain to people, if they can't read what a simple skill do they wont listen what people suggest.

@Topic: this is a ''free'' game every kind of person play, some are good some are fail, there's nothing to do.

The culti can be done before level 100, but i think cause its a bh100 that even some squad lvl100+ fail, they think that cannot work with a lvl 9x. I remember on my first cleric the boss you need in SoT for cultivation, i've done it with a full squad of lvl9x people and that didn't fail and went really good, but now people wont even go there without 3-4 bm/sin 5aps cleric R8, sage veno, barb with 25k hp. People forgot that before the stupid R8/R9/5APS people was able to do the same instances, put back BH TT and trust me, you will see a bunch of QQ on forum saying it's too hard and impossible to do etc. before we was doing that with a freaking TT99 weapon, people had skills, now people have the weapon but no skills.

The only thing that suck for that particular BH (culti) is you cannot kick a AFK person for invite someone else without need to restart and i swear there always at least one person going AFK doing nothing.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · July 2012

thumbs wrote: »

Find other players in game to add each other's fake account.

I know people who were still caught even though they had added their in-game wife and a couple of friends. Another who facebook wouldn't let bypass the telephone confirmation number.

thumbs wrote: »

Where do I describe such subtle differences, and leave out whopping don't know half their AoE's? Think you got wrong thread.

I didn't say anything about not knowing all of their aoes. They chose to overheal instead of aoe debuffing. They should have used an aoe debuff and that mystic should have learned all their skills better. But they still knew enough to not get everyone constantly killed. There was no need to be so rude about it and that was my point.

thumbs · July 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

They chose to overheal instead of aoe debuffing. They should have used an aoe debuff and that mystic should have learned all their skills better. But they still knew enough to not get everyone constantly killed. There was no need to be so rude about it and that was my point.

Befuddling Creeper coexists with the healing herbs, so that argument is invalid.

Rude is jumping into something with others w/o having a clue. Rude is going AFK and letting others do your work. Rude is expecting someone in your squad to do all the work for afk'ers and ignorant donkeys. That type of behavior needs to be discouraged.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · July 2012

thumbs wrote: »

Befuddling Creeper coexists with the healing herbs, so that argument is invalid.

Rude is jumping into something with others w/o having a clue. Rude is going AFK and letting others do your work. Rude is expecting someone in your squad to do all the work for afk'ers and ignorant donkeys. That type of behavior needs to be discouraged.

Healing Herb doesn't co-exist with befuddling creeper. Befuddling co-exists with vital herb not healing herb. Thought you were being literal when you said healing herb.

Sometimes people need to AFK. I personally hate it when people go afk for long periods of time but I don't mind short afks. Sometimes phones rings and other IRL things. As long as they are polite and tell people I don't see the problem with that. Also when someone with lower comes on it's not that they expect you to do the work its that they don't have the coin and are doing the best they can with what they have. People used to understand why you weren't wearing TT70 to farm TT70 and now the gear requirements are ridiculous. :P

SpiritDivine - Sanctuary · July 2012

Well i think we can all agree that thumbs is not a person anyone would want in their squad and from what he is saying he needs to learn a bit about the game before he tries to teach others.

My personal recommendation would be that thumbs go off to play tetris instead

Edit
Just thought i should add to keep on topic of the thread that if someone like thumbs joined my squad i would first ask them to leave and if they wouldnt i would leave instead. Be as nice as possible but still firm that the thumbs is not someone i am willing to play with.

thumbs · July 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Healing Herb doesn't co-exist with befuddling creeper. Befuddling co-exists with vital herb not healing herb. Thought you were being literal when you said healing herb.

-Sorry

Sometimes people need to AFK. I personally hate it when people go afk for long periods of time but I don't mind short afks. Sometimes phones rings and other IRL things.

Phone doesn't require AFK, and there are answering machines, voice mails, etc. It's not the 70's anymore.

As long as they are polite and tell people I don't see the problem with that.

I'd rather some didn't announce. One idiot asked if they could afk quick when they would have had time w/o us noticing. Instead they wasted half the break between mobs in RB waiting for permission that no one bothers to give.

Also when someone with lower comes on it's not that they expect you to do the work its that they don't have the coin and are doing the best they can with what they have. People used to understand why you weren't wearing TT70 to farm TT70 and now the gear requirements are ridiculous. :P

C'mon.. are you trolling or being serious? I'm describing utter fails here that disrespect the people they squad with. Where do you draw the line if you're so noble?

Aquireis - Lost City · July 2012

SpiritDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well i think we can all agree that thumbs is not a person anyone would want in their squad and from what he is saying he needs to learn a bit about the game before he tries to teach others.

My personal recommendation would be that thumbs go off to play tetris instead

Tetris wouldn't be a good idea because it would be rude of the pieces if they didn't come down in the right order to fit together.

thumbs · July 2012

SpiritDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well i think we can all agree that thumbs is not a person anyone would want in their squad and from what he is saying he needs to learn a bit about the game before he tries to teach others.

My personal recommendation would be that thumbs go off to play tetris instead

Edit
Just thought i should add to keep on topic of the thread that if someone like thumbs joined my squad i would first ask them to leave and if they wouldnt i would leave instead. Be as nice as possible but still firm that the thumbs is not someone i am willing to play with.

The world is full of scammers. Every charity I've volunteered in was full of corruption including the food bank / soup kitchens, youth programs, etc. I've even been approached to go into business of charity for the purpose of making more money and evading red tape / taxes than running a legit business.

Scammers hate me because I expose them.

In game, I'm often asked if I'm tweakz from the forum. I say something like "sorry that over trolled forum turns me into a beast some times". -Then come the compliments on my postings. Scammers be hating, but good players show me the love. b:bye

ILubby - Raging Tide · July 2012

For once I agree with thumbs on something :O especially about the fail mystics in delta >_> o and I have tried to tell them to use creeper but they wouldn't, they just...ignore. 99% of mystics I've squadded up with were merely using mistress and gale force....very few used cragg. But I wouldn't argue on healing herbs since BB is just enough.

But oh! These kinds of threads just make me happy I chose to quit PWI

Xainou - Sanctuary · July 2012

thumbs wrote: »

Phone doesn't require AFK, and there are answering machines, voice mails, etc. It's not the 70's anymore.

Don't tell me you got a bucket below your chair because such needs don't require afk... ... ...

Aquireis - Lost City · July 2012

thumbs wrote: »

Phone doesn't require AFK, and there are answering machines, voice mails, etc. It's not the 70's anymore.

So people with a home phone are expected to just let ring and go to answering machine even if they are waiting for a call or something?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · July 2012

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Don't tell me you got a bucket below your chair because such needs don't require afk... ... ...

LOL b:laugh

Well i can understand that sometimes some people need to AFK for some reasons, but what **** me off is:

-People not warning

-Same people always AFKing (In the faction i was everytime we was going in trial a guy was going AFK 1 second after the trial sarted and was coming back taking reward and really every trial he did that.)

-A warsong squad that the person chitchat all the 15minutes waiting and when its ready the person say ''brb i go make coffe or get water''... seriously they had 15 minutes to do it why when the BH is ready. -.-

-People AFK for kids (i have nothing against kids or w/e, but if you have a baby/kid to care of maybe you shouldn't play while you are with them and only focus on them.)

-People that need to go take a walk with their dog...

If someone know he can't do the ''run'' without be AFK should maybe let the spot to someone else. Some people have no respect and don't mind make people loose time cause of them.

The worse thing i saw (was worse than someone go AFK), was a girl world chat for make a caster squad, i pmed her she invited me, than bla bla waited to full squad, we want inside, buffed, started, than the girl (leader of squad), go out the instance (just after we start the boss) to go to west to buy tele for be able to speak in world chat during the run, she come back at the end of the second boss and she didn't understand that people was **** off that she left us for go but tele..., she wasn't able to wait 15 minutes that we done the run and all the rest of the run she was speaking in world chat, not focus at all on the run, she a lot of wrong chat which was suppose to be in her faction chat.

Haila - Sanctuary · July 2012

There are a lot of casual players playing the game and trying to relax a bit ingame.
You wonder why somebody is not listening? Cause they dont like your trashtalking b:laugh

Go form your own perfect teams if you dont like random squads.
I bet it takes hours for you to form a team cause nobody wants to join b:cute

You think you're pro? You are pro when ppl are showing you respect and you wont get that with your childish attitude b:nosebleed

XScootaloo - Dreamweaver · July 2012

ITT

Revalen - Raging Tide · July 2012

akosireann wrote: »

+1

Also only in RT do you need R8+ +10-12 wep and please link wep for full delta ijs, just watch wc.b:chuckle

Some people think the server is ALL ASSASINS and all instances is APS nirvy

Actually I agree with you. APS is dumb, r8 isn't needed for anything, and people that ask me for weapon links have filled my blacklist x.x

EDIT: HOLY HELL MY AVATAR GOT FIXED

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · July 2012

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think "use Thicket it's an aoe" takes less of your time and resources than rage quitting squad and finding a new one. IJS

Yea... and "stay out of boss's aoe range unless you can take the hits" also takes less resources then leaving squad. And yet... SOME HOW... SOME WAY... SOME ONE... ALWAYS manage to die... and for SOME REASON... I ALWAYS end up holding bosses... WASTING my own charm and apoc... HOLDING a boss... that SHOULD have been dead a good ten minutes ago.

Its much easier... and saves me much headaches... to just leave on the first sight of idiots.

thumbs · July 2012

ILubby - Raging Tide wrote: »

For once I agree with thumbs on something :O especially about the fail mystics in delta >_> o and I have tried to tell them to use creeper but they wouldn't, they just...ignore. 99% of mystics I've squadded up with were merely using mistress and gale force....very few used cragg. But I wouldn't argue on healing herbs since BB is just enough.

But oh! These kinds of threads just make me happy I chose to quit PWI

Surprisingly that was the first mystic I ever had a problem with. They usually tend to be much better, though vary in approach (unlike the typical assassin, veno, cleric, bm). I rarely pull out Cragglord in RB but acknowledge it as a decent option.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

[posting in alternative colors makes me feel speciawl]
Don't tell me you got a bucket below your chair because such needs don't require afk... ... ...[/COLOR]

Typical jobs require ~2 hours of work before a break. BH wave 2 is no where near that. Troll harder.

Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are a lot of casual players playing the game and trying to relax a bit ingame.
You wonder why somebody is not listening? Cause they dont like your trashtalking b:laugh

Go form your own perfect teams if you dont like random squads.
I bet it takes hours for you to form a team cause nobody wants to join b:cute

You think you're pro? You are pro when ppl are showing you respect and you wont get that with your childish attitude b:nosebleed

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Revalen - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually I agree with you. APS is dumb, r8 isn't needed for anything, and people that ask me for weapon links have filled my blacklist x.x

EDIT: HOLY HELL MY AVATAR GOT FIXED

Agree on aps, and R8, but it's better to filter the donkey hats that bring lvl 60 weapons to a 100+ quest than to kick them.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yea... and "stay out of boss's aoe range unless you can take the hits" also takes less resources then leaving squad. And yet... SOME HOW... SOME WAY... SOME ONE... ALWAYS manage to die... and for SOME REASON... I ALWAYS end up holding bosses... WASTING my own charm and apoc... HOLDING a boss... that SHOULD have been dead a good ten minutes ago.

Its much easier... and saves me much headaches... to just leave on the first sight of idiots.

Don't hold boss. Part of reason for posting this was to get people to stop catering to mooch bags. If one of my Assassins dies on Snakefist: I have no problem if they kill it w/o me. There is too much charity among the player base, and like I've indicated: all charities are corrupt. The last time I donated to someone/ something was when I saw a guy digging bottles and cans out of the trash. I'd seen him many times and he never asked for anything, and never imposed on anyone.

These mooch bags are like the people holding those "will work for food" signs. They were making well over 6x what I was making by just standing there taking money. They will learn faster if they have to suffer their mistakes.

Aquireis - Lost City wrote: »

So people with a home phone are expected to just let ring and go to answering machine even if they are waiting for a call or something?

So self absorbed idiots are expected to just take a dump on 5 other RL gamers just because their phone rings when they expected a call and shouldn't have been in a squad to begin with?

Xainou - Sanctuary · July 2012

God, I hope you're trolling. lol I can't even begin to imagine how a person with this attitude would behave irl. b:laugh

Haila - Sanctuary · July 2012

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

God, I hope you're trolling. lol I can't even begin to imagine how a person with this attitude would behave irl. b:laugh

I think he is serious and nobody is taking him serious b:shutup

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · July 2012

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

God, I hope you're trolling. lol I can't even begin to imagine how a person with this attitude would behave irl. b:laugh

Probably a person with a full time job, someone who consider his time valuable enough not to blow it on meaningless endeavors. I help those who I deem to deserve my time/effort. Not knowing your own level 59 skills at level 100 doesn't fall any where near the deserving category. That's more or less on the same level as some guy who doesn't know how to use his ***** after going through 50 years in life and watching god knows how many **** flicks. Call me what you want... but I freaking refuse to help a 50 year old virgin with his *****.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear · July 2012

Is this thread seriously still going? -_-

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · July 2012

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Is this thread seriously still going? -_-

No it's your imagination.

Now you are having one of those wake up and go to school naked dreams b:chuckle

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear · July 2012

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

No it's your imagination.

Now you are having one of those wake up and go to school naked dreams b:chuckle

I haven't been in school in... 4 years? O_O

God I'm getting old -_-

Thanks jerk! b:surrender

And that would be so embarrassing having all those creepy people staring at your body. *shivers*

Hot_pho - Heavens Tear · July 2012

1. do runs with faction.

2. if you dont have faction or most of your factions are busy. make your own squad and you be the boss then. believe me I have no problem kicking afk people in rb or anywhere and squad will still go fine. I find that only sins go afk in rb cos they think they can mooch by saying i only have 2 aoe. sins are too lazy to subsea its annoying.

3. solo rb nuff said b:cute. I do this sometimes when I have absolutly nothing to do. bb on cleric and bm do everything else.

I hate telling people how to play their class cos for one, they rarely listen and sometimes they insult you because they feel offended. I dont like having problems with people.

How to respond to fails that request spawnpoint RB BH?

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