im confused! weapons! armors! potatos!

HexOmega - Dreamweaver
HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Wizard
im patient and doing stuff slowly right now. waiting with gear updates till after anni, i think


but here some thoughts:

sandy world g16 nirvana sword 40 attack lvls on weapon
has higher damage than rank9 sword and r9 sword only has 30 attack lvls


i thought r9 would be better, thats why i didnt really bother with nirvana g16 stuff till now..





the armors set adds of nirvana third stage (nv3):

Items equipped=Bonus
2 = HP +500
5 = DEF LV +15
6 = ATT LV +20

(weapon doesnt add in to the set)



the armors set adds of rank 9 (r9):
2 = DEF LV +10
3 = Critical Hit Rate +1%
4 = Att. LV +10
5 = DEF LV +10
6 = Att. LV +20

(weapon adds to the set)



so whats the best way to go when r9r2 is no option :P?
(well, lets see whats on sale on anni, or maybe over newyears)






my original plan was taking the full rank9 route, slowly
so i didnt go far, but already to far >pwcalc of my exact current built<

i got dem demn boots!
weapon was the next step after gearing up my archer


what to do now? im confused


full NV3 would mean, not using a already existing r9+10 armor piece

ignoring NV3 and going for R9 is.... *eh* look at that cost- that will take a while and is it really significantly better? (other than a better looking weapon)


how about mix builds then?
what is the most defensive build?
2 pieces of r9 (boots and weapon) and 5 pieces of nv3 =?

nv3 weapon doesnt isnt involved in set bonuses!!


ignoring my personal gear: what would be the most defensive build with NV3 gear around?
r9 weapon + r9 chest + rest nv3??




point of the thread and actual question:
what the fuq should i aim for now? im confused! lol
i have the mold for nv3 weapon and almost enough raptures to make it (was farming for a bow)
i like potato
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  • USSRbm - Heavens Tear
    USSRbm - Heavens Tear Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    wrong forum.
  • Jhalil - Heavens Tear
    Jhalil - Heavens Tear Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Full third stage nirvana is better than full R9 for wizards. The elemental and physical defenses are higher on third stage nirvana armors. The refine and base m.atk is higher on the third stage weapon.

    The difference on the set bonus is 1% crit, 3 attack levels and 5 defense levels. The crit isn't really a thing since it could be part of the weapon's ads, the 3 attack levels from the belt aren't an issue either since the difference in m.atk is way more than the damage the 3 attack levels would give you. And the 5 defense levels are not better than being able to use a warsong belt.

    Right now for any caster class except for perhaps psychics, going R9 without the realistic ability to go second tier Rank 9 would be a stupid move. Since third stave nirvana set is cheaper and better for casters.
    You do have R9 boots, but I would still go for a full third stage nv set because for the same cost of getting the other R9 pieces you can get the full third stage set and refine/shard it.
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  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I, myself, have been thinking/wondering about this comparison. I'm in the same situation as you, although I'm a bit farther along in r9. Just missing the belt/top.

    I haven't finished thinking it over, but here are some initial thoughts. To get the full set bonus, for r9 you need the top, pants, boots, arms, wep, and belt (and ring).
    For g16 vana, you need the top, pants, boots, arms, hat, and cape (and then the wep, which I believe does not count toward the set bonus).

    Ring comparison:
    R9 ring vs. free slot (I think the r9 ring is pretty good for its mag attack and +5 def...not sure if a cloud stir or anything can compete with it too well)...I guess the only thing would be a sky cover for extra pdef, but that would be a more defensive build (not for wizzies imo, but not saying it's not viable).

    Top/Pants/Boots/Arms comparison:
    I think here, g16v would outshine r9 in terms of defense (g16 vana has higher base stats, with pdef/mdef % boosts). However, you don't get channeling (neither does r9), but r9 does have more crit (more offensive, I suppose). Full r9 also gives 20 def, whereas g16v gives 15 (along with 500 hp).

    Hat/Cape comparison:
    HERE is where I feel you lose a lot going g16v. The stats on these items completely suck. Maybe they refine well, but I'd rather have 9 chan (warsoul of heaven+chan cape) or a WoC or 2 g15 vana items (for the extra 5 attack and 2 crit).

    Belt comparison:
    r9 belt vs. free slot. r9 belt has 300-400 less pdef than a +10 warsoul belt, but you also get 700 mdef, which would compensate for some of the better mdef stats on g16v armors.

    Wep comparison:
    g16v has 10 more attack, but taking the full set bonuses into account, this additional increase is even with r9 (both have 60 with the full set). g16v also has crappier additional bonuses; r9 has -10 chan, 2 crit, etc. g16v also has a higher base attack though.

    TL;DR:
    G16v has better defense. This defensive advantage is slightly diminished in terms of mdef by r9 belt.
    R9 has better offense (in terms of crit and chan, specifically about 6-8% more crit and 5-13% chan). This offensive adv is slightly diminished by the higher base attack on the g16v wep though. At the same time, r9 ring has almost 100 more mag attack than other rings, so that's a counterargument to g16v having a higher base attack.
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Go full R9 unless you have a stashed AA character that you play a lot and care about. I personally hate a lot of the adds on G16 Nirvana (+evasion, +dex) and prefer the +crit bonus on R9 instead. I personally would even pick the R9 weapon over G16 Nirvana if costs were the same. All in all the R9 item add-ons are suited better for a wizard while G16 Nirvana is defensive and some adds are outdated and irrelevant.

    @Scorch The +2 attack level from PQ3 ring pretty much covers the 100 extra m.attack given by R9 assuming the said wizard is R9. But even then you're still 5 defence levels down in return for ~800 m.def
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    I personally hate a lot of the adds on G16 Nirvana (+evasion, +dex) and prefer the +crit bonus on R9 instead.

    -lol?
  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    -lol?

    20 dex = 1 crit.
    Getting flat crit is often much better than collecting random dex points.
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    20 dex = 1 crit.
    Getting flat crit is often much better than collecting random dex points.

    Not for sins and archers b:chuckle
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  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i picked my tome in my current build for several reasons:
    can be useful for all classes
    can be made into pan gu
    adds with my oldest part of gear (cape) to 20 total dex = a crit
    ...


    lets factor channeling too
    over time i started favoring it over crit for its usefulness
    chan helps you reduce the chance of getting interruped and increases dps higher than crit bonusses thanks to faster availability of another demon spark..

    thats that... i really like warsoul of heaven stats

    gotta replace it for full set bonus nv3
    imo nv3 shines at full set bonus...
    i bought those 2 josd for roughly 9 mil each
    price is 10 times that now XD *meh*



    oh one big + of r9 is 4sockets
    you dont wanna add sockets on g16 items..
    i like potato
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