About Aps on a sage barb.

The_APS_Noob - Raging Tide
The_APS_Noob - Raging Tide Posts: 1 Arc User
edited July 2012 in Barbarian
Hey everyone. I have a small question about aps on a barb. Well, I have a sage barb in the works and have been tempted to switch him over to a aps build. The highest aps I can get off him (without the pan gu tome, without the nirvy leggings and including the -interval cape) is 2.86. That is currently what I can afford to get him at the moment. Is this okay for at least damaging against bosses with higher refines? (such as the ones in Fc, perhaps nirvy and other instances as well) or should I wait until I can afford to get all the equips needed for a decent aps sage?
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  • Night$aber - Dreamweaver
    Night$aber - Dreamweaver Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    To be honest i would wait till you can get atleast 3.33 base so it'd be 4.0 with windshield.As a matter of fact,any idea of turning demon tho?
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    If you can't afford that stuff: you shouldn't do aps. There's only a small number of respectable aps barbs and they are very well geared. The rest are despised and avoided for being too squishy.
  • Blood_Panda - Raging Tide
    Blood_Panda - Raging Tide Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    If you can't afford that stuff: you shouldn't do aps. There's only a small number of respectable aps barbs and they are very well geared. The rest are despised and avoided for being too squishy.

    that.

    It is easier to go demon for aps build. You will want the addition aps.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The_APS_Noob - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Hey everyone. I have a small question about aps on a barb. Well, I have a sage barb in the works and have been tempted to switch him over to a aps build. The highest aps I can get off him (without the pan gu tome, without the nirvy leggings and including the -interval cape) is 2.86. That is currently what I can afford to get him at the moment. Is this okay for at least damaging against bosses with higher refines? (such as the ones in Fc, perhaps nirvy and other instances as well) or should I wait until I can afford to get all the equips needed for a decent aps sage?

    I've always been a fan of sage aps barb, actually. But as the previous barbs mentioned you'll first want to take care of your hp. Minimum, you should try to stay above 10k human and 14k tiger when you've switched to aps gear and restatted for claws.



    Here is my rant about aps barbs lately. I don't think a barb or a bm do that much difference in damage that a refine on one of the other can make a difference, but when I make a farming squad and I have a barb and a bm whisper me I'm going to usually pick the bm for their HF and just use a barb alt to buff and leave squad. This would be completely different if I could find another aps barb that keeps up the pdef debuff.

    I'm demon, but I start with a Devour then triple spark and aps attack, then Pentrate Armor spark and aps, then I PA 10 seconds later and keep attacking till I get 3 sparks, triple spark, PA, attack some more. The phys debuff is almost never off. But most aps barbs may devour at the start then never pdef debuff again.

    Sage have an awesome advantage that in a squad their PA is -45%. Also, a sage spark reduces damage by 25%, which is like having +33% more hp. Also, since aps barbs tend to be squishier the true form hp boost and shapeshifting intensity of sage help balance you out that you can either be a puller in tiger or a DD/tank in human.
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Wait till you got good gear before restatting. Not just aps of 3.33 base at least, but also armor/hp. Even as aps barb, you will mainly be invited for your puller role, buffs and sometimes phys def debuff (just like a bm is invited for hf/gs and buff). Imo, the fists are just to increase your soloing capacity and to be less useless in squads where barbs aren't really needed (like nirvana).

    Many give way to much importance to aps, where I think the core strenght of a barb is to do big pulls. If your aps build limits the pulls to much, it will only make you a fail barb for the squad. Sanc has a crapload of undergeared aps barb and since they changed bh, the effect on squads is devastating. The average bh seat takes ages since there is nobody that can/knows how to pull and aoe anymore.

    After I tried out aps build on my sage barb (and changed back actually), I came to the conclusion that 18k+ hp buffed tiger is the minimum you should have (after restat) to be a decent aps barb. In terms of aps, you need 3.33+ or you'll be better off just devouring.
  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    If you can't afford that stuff: you shouldn't do aps. There's only a small number of respectable aps barbs and they are very well geared. The rest are despised and avoided for being too squishy.

    I call BS :P

    With my pro 11k hp in catform I can still tank SoT, Aba, Viles, pull in WS and Lunar and don't die.
    True, I can't do TM-style but at least I don't have to beg on my knees for DDs on daily basis.
    With help from BP solo TTs and FCs became possible.

    All you need is a good genie and basic knowledge of your skills...Oh, and single HP pot for that time when Invoke is channeling b:surrender

    ~Proud, undergeared 5aps barb.
  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lythraos wrote: »
    I call BS :P

    With my pro 11k hp in catform I can still tank SoT, Aba, Viles, pull in WS and Lunar and don't die.
    True, I can't do TM-style but at least I don't have to beg on my knees for DDs on daily basis.
    With help from BP solo TTs and FCs became possible.

    All you need is a good genie and basic knowledge of your skills...Oh, and single HP pot for that time when Invoke is channeling b:surrender

    ~Proud, undergeared 5aps barb.

    Yes but more people will want a greater geared aps barb over an undergeared aps barb. And it makes you squishy really squishy.

    So dont go aps unless you can make up for the lost vit and gears other wise you are super squishy.
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  • Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lythraos wrote: »
    I call BS :P

    With my pro 11k hp in catform I can still tank SoT, Aba, Viles, pull in WS and Lunar and don't die.

    How about full RB? b:beatup
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  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How about full RB? b:beatup

    Out of the question as well I guess xD Didn't try past BH2's W3.

    Not that I ever liked it even being full vitab:surrender

    Edit: also what's the point of Deltas? MTFs are 35k and I have already all the skills I need :o
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How about full RB? b:beatup

    Full Delta took me till I had 12.5k charmed, or 14k uncharmed. That's a doable hp for even undergeared clawbarbs.
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  • Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide
    Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    if you cant hit 4aps base, dont touch aps.
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  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide wrote: »
    if you cant hit 4aps base, dont touch aps.

    That's still regarding Sage build, riiiiiight?
  • Night$aber - Dreamweaver
    Night$aber - Dreamweaver Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lythraos wrote: »
    That's still regarding Sage build, riiiiiight?

    Yeah.
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    lythraos wrote: »
    I call BS :P

    With my pro 11k hp in catform I can still tank SoT, Aba, Viles, pull in WS and Lunar and don't die.
    True, I can't do TM-style but at least I don't have to beg on my knees for DDs on daily basis.
    With help from BP solo TTs and FCs became possible.

    All you need is a good genie and basic knowledge of your skills...Oh, and single HP pot for that time when Invoke is channeling b:surrender

    ~Proud, undergeared 5aps barb.

    That comment wasn't coming from me: I've heard many times clerics complaining about aps barbs. Personally, I like them in Nirvana (clericless).

    The thing to consider is that Barbs can be beastly at rounding up mobs and AoE'ing when they keep aggro. A couple times now my +6 Morai weapon equipped barb was the main AoE dd in RB BH. Aps is just far better suited to BM and Sin.
  • akosireann
    akosireann Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    That comment wasn't coming from me: I've heard many times clerics complaining about aps barbs. Personally, I like them in Nirvana (clericless).

    The thing to consider is that Barbs can be beastly at rounding up mobs and AoE'ing when they keep aggro. A couple times now my +6 Morai weapon equipped barb was the main AoE dd in RB BH. Aps is just far better suited to BM and Sin.

    Morai wep? You actually use those when you were ratting several weeks before on how much of a ''waste''those are?

    And you actually refined the wep +6?
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  • Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Full Delta took me till I had 12.5k charmed, or 14k uncharmed. That's a doable hp for even undergeared clawbarbs.

    but not all barbs have the skill and the experience... b:avoid
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  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    akosireann wrote: »
    Morai wep? You actually use those when you were ratting several weeks before on how much of a ''waste''those are?

    And you actually refined the wep +6?

    I suggest that they're a waste for people who could account stash. My barb is on a predominately mage (only a BM otherwise) account, and yet I still have a sense of regret about it. They hit the apsers hard with this last update, so my BM that was being raised to use claws would have faired better if it could share axes.

    I suppose most of us already learned the lesson when we went Rank 8, only to later realize there's money in having multiple toons over 100 that we could have account stashed Nirvana gear with.

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