Help the Free to Play Pleayers

JinseiMegami - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Dear Staff,

I seriously want to request that the 'refining gear option' at the elder should be made non cash shopper friendly.

I am a PWI fan for more then 3 years. I do not have the money to buy all the wonderfull things you offer in the online store, so I spend ALOT of time gathering ingame coins and items to have a good time. However lately it is becomming less and less fun. b:surrender

One of the many frustrating things that happend:

Today I spend over 600 mirages to get my armor to +3 and I failed...Higest I could get was +2... It is ABSURD that people with money can get +12 in 5 minutes when players like me can't get +3 with all the mirages they saved over a year. b:angry

This is just one of the things that is frustrating. It is UNFAIR how people with money have a huge chance to get everything they want inmidiatly when people with time work their ***** off and dont even get half of that.

When is this going to change? Because I know if it will not, then I will not be comming back to PWI after the release of Guild Wars 2 (A game where people with time get the same respect as people with money, a game made for EVERY player and not just to make money off the people who pay to play).

600 mirages. All I saved over a long period of time. Ofcourse there are options I can buy with my ingame coins to make refining easier. However, have you seen the wallets of non cash shoppers and the prices people charge for the needed items?

A suggestion would be an NPC that sells these items ( Not too high price) so prices stay stable and also the non paying players can enjoy this game. Because I thought Free to Play was also for the less fortunate people. Me, a player with not alot of money, not alot of ingame coin, maybe +4 is my higest gear VS a pay to play person with ALOT of money, ingame coin and +12 gear..... What is the fun in that? I have been looked down on many times, got scolded at for having bad gear, when alot of my friends cant even get most their items +4 ...b:shocked

600 Mirages.... Wasted... I can honestly say all these small things in pwi really starting to make me angry. Not just me alone. I hear it form more of my friends arround me.

Another thing is the Rep armor. I did my best to get some good gear. I saved up every penny I made and when I found out that Rep armor for mt Cleric looked the same as TT90, I once more was dissapointed and felt that the 50k rep I already made was a complete waste. Why can't the old classes have epic looking gear that is afordable?
Seriously...

DO SOMETHING !

Evanera - Heavens Tear · June 2012

I don't cash shop, barely do anything in game and do just fine. 600 mirages collected in 1 year? That's your fault, not PWI's. Stop spending so much money on fashion if you want to upgrade your gear.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · June 2012

...how did you get only 600 mirages in a year? I've only been level 100 for a couple of months and have already collected over half of that without even stepping foot into TT.

Anyway, a good refining tip is to come back later if you're having bad luck. It just wasn't your lucky day. Whenever you do any kind of gamble (and refining is a gamble in a way) you got to know when to say when. You should be able to get to +3~4 with 100 or less mirages so if you did not get to it that day then come back another one.

Also I would strongly suggest you and your friends learn more efficient farming or something. Because a year supply of mirages shouldn't go out the door with only 600. Run some TT or endless universe. In 5 days doing EU only you could have 100 of them and you can do that instance in the free level 95 gear. Not to mention BH100 rewards....

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary · June 2012

That`s how f2p p2w games work, cashers get everything fast while the rest of use f2p work our ***** to get at least near their superiority, but if you devote a lot of time and effort you can achieve all that also (which is boring as hell x.x)

Ashivas - Dreamweaver · June 2012

Youre a level 100 cleric, collecting your nirvana talisman, and turning it right back in gives 5 mirages a day. Takes 20 days to get 100 mirages doing JUST THAT. Stop exaggerating.

MagicEmpress - Lost City · June 2012

1) Don't refine when there is a big sale (Although this theory can't be proved lol)

2) Use the elder at 1K. He's the best to get stuff to +5 without orbs.

3) Use refining aids from your event gold.

Nenor - Dreamweaver · June 2012

Cash Shop King
Purchase 500 items from the Cash Shop.
Aug 16, 2011

Appears you do cs.
If you are going to Cs and buy fash/dyes ect. don't complain about your gear.
I reserve the Cs for fash/dye, gifts for others, ect. myself, and prefer to farm all my gear. But im not going to cry bc the csers have better gear/refines than I do. Its a personal choice what you spend it on and should be prepared to live with that decision.

On another note, if you used 600 mirages and never got past +2.. that is Really bad luck.
Try going to the elder of your starting town for refining. IDK why, but i always seem to have better luck that way. If you have terrible luck, log out and back in again and try again. +4 or +5 should be do-able with 100 or less mirages. Maybe a bit more on a really bad day.

Dragoneast - Sanctuary · June 2012

I cs'd only a few time, the 500 items i got once were rep badges on mega sale, lol, gold i got from a friend, well his card to get gold. another thing, i play for free too, carhopped RLLY lil. put 10 euros in game, thats all. i refine my items to +3 with about 30 mirages at max, and without items, at arch elder (idk if which elder matters). if u want to keep playing free, use the free zen offers pwi has now and then on their site...
also the gold i bought once i DIDN'T sell... used it for rep badges and some other stuffies...
i do just fine in this p2w world ^_^

Takeva - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Cash Shop King
Purchase 500 items from the Cash Shop.
Aug 16, 2011

Appears you do cs.

Buying from ingame store with ingame gold still gives you that reward.
And Jin is always selling fashion though. You were selling pieces of the Demure Set a couple days ago. You didn't make any money off that? b:puzzled

CroPsy - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Oh cmon, with 600 Mirages you can +4 all of your gear.
Last few days I was refining only with Mirages, and got 4 pieces of gear to +4, I used less than 150 Mirages.

And you're lvl 100 cleric. You can do Caster Nirv every day and get at least 750k from each run, 3 runs minimum, that's over 2m coins just from Nirv.
And if you do BH100 and are lucky to get money, you can buy +5 Orbs with no problem. You can +5 all of your gear with $0 spent.

Annonrae - Sanctuary · June 2012

People must have one heck of a better luck than most others, then. I'm not complaining about the cost or the amount of mirages you need, but seriously...

In all my time playing PWI, I've gotten one thing to +5 using just mirages, and that was a lvl 79 legendary glaive. Since then, no matter what I do, or where I do it, or how often I log in/out, I haven't gotten *anything* past +3 without refining aids.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · June 2012

what others said...

well, plus that cashopers usually dont have a magic wand to make money so yeah, it's not like they get everything without effort (and way more effort, with real value, i might add)

Steopie - Heavens Tear · June 2012

I think the Ferrari staff should make it so that I can make no effort and work a crappy job and still buy a brand new Ferrari. This is totally unfair QQ/Nerdrage.

If youre a good player and you put as much effort / time into the game as you claim to have, then competitive (maybe not tip top perfect +12 josd 3rd r9) gear is easily achievable without any real cash being needed. Saying you have played for 3 years and have only been able to get to 50k rep and save up 600mirages really shows how pathetic you are. The cream rises, while pathetic people stay at the bottom with their pathetic gear. I suggest you just accept your place and enjoy your fashion. b:bye

laloner · June 2012

Annonrae - Sanctuary wrote: »

People must have one heck of a better luck than most others, then. I'm not complaining about the cost or the amount of mirages you need, but seriously...

In all my time playing PWI, I've gotten one thing to +5 using just mirages, and that was a lvl 79 legendary glaive. Since then, no matter what I do, or where I do it, or how often I log in/out, I haven't gotten *anything* past +3 without refining aids.

There's a spreadsheet out there that says you only save money using just mirages up to the third or fourth refine. After that you save money using the refining aids and orbs. If someone can post the link to the spreadsheet it tells you what is the cheapest way to refine to any level.

Reshanta - Sanctuary · June 2012

Another thing is the Rep armor. I did my best to get some good gear. I saved up every penny I made and when I found out that Rep armor for mt Cleric looked the same as TT90, I once more was dissapointed and felt that the 50k rep I already made was a complete waste. Why can't the old classes have epic looking gear that is afordable?
Seriously...

No, seriously..you're complaining about that..?

Nenor - Dreamweaver · June 2012

Takeva - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Buying from ingame store with ingame gold still gives you that reward.
And Jin is always selling fashion though. You were selling pieces of the Demure Set a couple days ago. You didn't make any money off that? b:puzzled

If you look, Pocket change (buying 5 gold through the AH) wasn't listed as being achieved.

rhianwena · June 2012

You can't go by token achievements to see what a person has done, it glitches. I have gotten token achievements on this account for level 4 crafting, which I don't have. In fact my only toon on this account is level 35 so isn't even high enough to have level 4 crafting. On another account I was missing achievements for things I did do. So don't put any stock into those.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple · June 2012

There's also merchanting to gain in-game coin that you can use to buy the uber refining aids you need. Many people have had success with this, and it requires no RL money investment at all.
QQ'ers just QQ because they are too lazy to look into other means of doing things that might require a little bit more work on their part.

Sagek - Sanctuary · June 2012

I can't help but to sympathize with OP.

The f2p aspect of this game is nothing more then a game of hour/s long grinding fest which ends up being in no way rewarding for the time that players invested.

Say what you will but truth is f2p players can not hope to keep up with the prices set by established merchants/cash shoppers and even the npcs, without investing hours finding people who are willing to help them with grinding or a faction that actually cares about their new recruits.

Yes there are ways to go about getting money in a quicker manner but can you really expect a new player or someone who enjoys playing as a lonewolf to know these little gems? if you seriously think about the time you have to invest just to be able to do that you start to see the problem.

This game is no longer for the F2P crowd..

thumbs · June 2012

If the game sucks for you: move on.

The game is fine for most other free players. The only thing whining does is tell us you'd rather blame someone else than take responsibility.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · June 2012

You're doing something wrong if it took you over a year to collect 600 mirages b:shocked

Not even a month and I already have over 700 saved up, and without a single TT touched. Still got like 180 fairy keys though xD

Hexalot - Dreamweaver · June 2012

thumbs wrote: »

If the game sucks for you: move on.

The game is fine for most other free players. The only thing whining does is tell us you'd rather blame someone else than take responsibility.

Source or evidence to back up such a definitive statement please ? b:bye

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · June 2012

Takeva - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Buying from ingame store with ingame gold still gives you that reward.
And Jin is always selling fashion though. You were selling pieces of the Demure Set a couple days ago. You didn't make any money off that? b:puzzled

yes it does, but you also get a reward for buying gold from the AH, and she hasnt even bought 5 gold from the AH, so there goes that theory.

MageMERC - Harshlands · June 2012

Steopie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

... Saying you have played for 3 years and have only been able to get to 50k rep and save up 600mirages really shows how pathetic you are. The cream rises, while pathetic people stay at the bottom with their pathetic gear. I suggest you just accept your place and enjoy your fashion. b:bye

OUchb:cry My excuse is I'm an alt aholic cause I nearly fit into that description. Admittedly I recenctly sold 5000 mirages that I'd collected......

FragiIe - Dreamweaver · June 2012

Stop investing all your coin in fashion and save it for that elite gear you want but don't really need! we need the cash shoppers so us less fortunate (yes i'm one of those) can continue to play freeb:laughb:laughb:laughb:laugh

shotwhointhewhat · June 2012

Everyone seems to be commenting on their own personal experience. But if you stand back and take a look at how much traffic has been through this game and how many actually stuck around to play it or even those who played it and actually made it to the top, it might show that the free to play path is not all hunky dory to most players. What has there been? Like 100 million registered accounts? And only 5 people outside west pking?

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · June 2012

what have standing out of sz in west gate mean anyways.

once open a time pk was world wide now its west and a few more places bla boring

beside not everyone have r9+10 josd to enjoy the same fun so i dont mind the low
quantity of pking in west arch

there are other things aside from that wish the f2p does

anyways if your a fish and complaining about how bad ur gear is and how hard it is to make money PLAY A REAL CLASS then i might feel sorry for you

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · June 2012

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

yes it does, but you also get a reward for buying gold from the AH, and she hasnt even bought 5 gold from the AH, so there goes that theory.

I used to have the PK acheivement for killing like 100 people in PVP but they fixed it back when they fixed the rankings. I also had my level 1 crafting skills way before 2010, its one of the first things I did as a noob. I've been done all the FB19s but you wouldn't know it looking at my core. Core is glitch and buggy so you really can't go by that.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · June 2012

Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »

I can't help but to sympathize with OP.

The f2p aspect of this game is nothing more then a game of hour/s long grinding fest which ends up being in no way rewarding for the time that players invested.

Say what you will but truth is f2p players can not hope to keep up with the prices set by established merchants/cash shoppers and even the npcs, without investing hours finding people who are willing to help them with grinding or a faction that actually cares about their new recruits.

Yes there are ways to go about getting money in a quicker manner but can you really expect a new player or someone who enjoys playing as a lonewolf to know these little gems? if you seriously think about the time you have to invest just to be able to do that you start to see the problem.

This game is no longer for the F2P crowd..

unless by lonewold you also mean world pk'ing without squad, i cannot really see why such a person would really need anything higher than tt90 (besides, it's a mmo..)

Hegalen - Harshlands · June 2012

The 600 mirages thingy was a bad example but anyway, I got the soul of your message.
I think its normal for paying players to be stronger than non paying ones. But there is a fact that pwi is dying fast. Why? Becouse pwi staff made csers really mad by their wrong decisions.
Doing additions to game, releasing new content from time to time is a good thing. But when new additions make old content obslete, that's something really annoying. Endgame gear in pwi is far from being cheap and most of the pwi cashshoppers already gave up paying more than 1000$ everytime a new content is released.

shotwhointhewhat · June 2012

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

what have standing out of sz in west gate mean anyways.

It means that is the extent of pvp these days on some servers. Some may have more activity, idk. If you can't get but a few in the most busy pk spot in the game, what makes you think there will be pk all over the entire map?

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