Is PWE concered at all????

RockMSockM - Harshlands wrote: »

SO i know there probly tons of threads on this already, but what the hell. I was wondering if PWE was concered at all about the players of PWI. With the huge decline in playerbase(most leaving privite servers), the inflation. Im not even gonna get started on the F2P/P2P aspect. Maybe its jus me, but i dont have tons of time or tons of money to spend on this game, and when its hard as hell to compete, and gear changes every 6 months, there are ppl like me who are left behind and cant play catch-up. I realize they have a business to run. But the recent gear adds did nothing but make the OP more OP.Im on the fence myself about leaveing. So my question is the staff at PWE concered or they finally getting what the want nothing but major cash shoppers???????

PWI buisiness, all they want is y0ur m0ney.The fact that y0u stay 0nly makes PWI happy. It's vey simple, if y0u wanna get 0P gear s0 y0u can PK(since really thats the 0nly place the balance is needed), just g0 play a private server.If y0u d0n't have the time t0 c0mmit why b0ther staying and wasting y0ur time?

on the other hand i cannot help wondering whether you have actual data about the growth of the player base and their profits as well as the profitability of their business strategy

Well, I can base the fact on the population from 2010 to currently has had a huge decline. Now I will say that a few servers are still running quite well (mostly the carebear servers) and have a good amount of population, but it is still definitely lower then it used to be. Now I will also agree that the lack of new-commers is lower for a multitude of reasons. The amounts of advertising, low amount of effort from our current CM(no offense frankie you could do more), powerlevleing leaving open world dead. I can go on but then it would start reaching more into me speculating then facts.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you played PWI in 2008 and currently play the game, you would know what they are talking about. Most people multi-client nowadays where possible, so what you see in terms of people on the game are inaccurate. The actual numbers are definitely much lower. It's not even about private servers. This game is getting old, and the company that runs it doesn't help one bit. Majority of the player base has left the game for other games, or is on a private server.

I myself have been here since Feb 2009 and ive never seen HT server so dead. Did notice a slight jump in population when the patch came out then a week later it was dead again. Also has anyone noticed there stock take a major dive since Nov 2009 . There stock was at $46
as of Nov 2009 now its running at $9.44.

Sadly PW has screwed there player base so bad many have moved on to other games. I still enjoy logging in once and awhile but this game isn't half of what it was. Someday there will be a few R9's standing around wondering where everybody is b:bye

I get the feeling their new titles are gonna be make it or break it for PWE, but I don't think the game is dead yet. There are still new updates coming in, still new expansions, still regular maintenance. All of these things stopped when they killed the other two games. So it must still be at least decently profitable. At some point PWE is going to have to manage their game in a more user friendly way and learn to play up it's strengths or it's going to have shutdown.

I mean this game is pretty old as far as F2P mmos go, even the PWI version at this point. One of it's strongest selling points is its robust character creation system and beautiful aesthetics. The strong aesthetic design of this game in fact is the reason this game still looks so amazing despite the fact that it's graphics are so outdated. Instead of playing this up in it's advertising, they'd rather stop players for helping each other create characters. Despite it being a source of free word-of-mouth advertisement.

They also don't communicate well with the playerbase. However, I have noticed that more GMs are stepping it up. Geno is always fun, and other GMs are beginning to pop up more and more. Even though Frankie still posts about as often as he always has.

I still strongly feel though they should be focusing their attention not on veteran issues but on obtaining and retaining new players. This means figuring out ways to get the world map more populated and to make it worth people's while to interact with new players.

whoami88 wrote: »

Friends of mine who have been playing on heaven's tears server said there are actually more players now than 2-3 years ago. Since you are level 101 I presume you must have interact with mostly people around your level many of whom must have played for years and are thus bored with the game, so many people around your level have quit, this is very true, but if you care to interact more with lower levels who form the vast majority of player base (check non TW factions' population) you'll realise that while many high levels have quit, it is more than offset by new players or new toons. This explains why plvl/wgtm service providers will never go out of business.

Inflation on the other hand is a very serious threat to the survival of pwi, gold used to cost 100000 coins, yesterday it shot up to 1.6m coins to 1. But to be fair a lot of stuff are now more affordable to lower levels. Example fb69 wraithgate robe now costs 4.8m coins for 8 runs compared to almost double in the past. Fashions and TT90 can be had on the cheap. Even a lazy/terrible farmer like me can make 1m in 2 hours by farming herbs/dragon quests drops and selling them to catshops. Some claim they can make 1m/hour farming turlips, others claim they can make far more farming TT/nirvana/warsong/etc.. There's even an acher who claim he can make 100m per day.

My personal opinion is that if you want you can theorically not spend a cent and still have fun and can still be overpowered. And even if you cash shop this game is still cheap compared to a browser game i had the misforture of playing. Got carried away and blew a small fortune on it. People play games for a variety of reasons; to make friends, fashions, etc.. If one is so OP and can solo most things, where's the fun?

I don't know about heaven's tear but I have not seen this increase in new players your friend is referring to. I have played this game since 2009 came out and it was definitely easier to form squads on my low level characters than it is now. I have always used pickup squads as my primary way of doing anything because I'm usually not patient enough to wait for faction. Although at least I don't try to act as though that's the faction's problem and they should drop everything. I hate it when people do that. Just run with randoms if you can never wait ever. And I only have one character that is level 100. And even then it hasn't been that long since I had one. Still a little persistence and grinding and willingness to put your own effort still pays off. So the the population isn't what I'd call dead. But I don't see this game lasting much longer if they don't do something now. Because it is over the hill.

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

So like, wat do you base this on? Got any numbers? any facts? or you just speculating




that is all b:bye

Like a few have said, if you have been playing for a few years, it's obvious that the playerbase in declining, at a slow rate, but surely declining.

Most legit new players, usually go to like...Lv. 40 and quit. Powerleveling is a bit different, but filters new F2P players from those willing to charge zen a bit. Even then, knowing that the best gear is like...$1,500+ USD, pretty much makes them go "F___ that, on to another game." type of perspective.

Most TW factions have "Weekend Warriors" anyways, and that's never a good thing.

PWI should sue the OP for libel.

thumbs wrote: »

PWI should sue the OP for libel.

Imagine the insane amount of money they would make if they sued everyone trash talking their game o_o;


And eh, I gotta gree with Doqui here. While it's true that the servers seems less active, we don't have any numbers. I think what most people forget is that the 'playground' has changed. Back in 2009 people were on the map, doing their cultis, quests, squading up. Now people are mostly hanging out in caves to farm and make money. That does make a difference in how many players you see around in the world...

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

So like, wat do you base this on? Got any numbers? any facts? or you just speculating

First hand experience tells a better story than numbers do. Like, actually playing and wondering why there is only a few people outside west? If PWE has good numbers, they sure are not at the top of the game where player interaction is competitive.

thumbs wrote: »

PWI should sue the OP for libel.

unfortunately, you can only sue for libel if what is said is actually false...b:chuckle

for the record, rockmsockm has tt100 fists and has been powerlevelled.

RockMSockM - Harshlands wrote: »

SO i know there probly tons of threads on this already, but what the hell. I was wondering if PWE was concered at all about the players of PWI. With the huge decline in playerbase(most leaving privite servers), the inflation. Im not even gonna get started on the F2P/P2P aspect. Maybe its jus me, but i dont have tons of time or tons of money to spend on this game, and when its hard as hell to compete, and gear changes every 6 months, there are ppl like me who are left behind and cant play catch-up. I realize they have a business to run. But the recent gear adds did nothing but make the OP more OP.Im on the fence myself about leaveing. So my question is the staff at PWE concered or they finally getting what the want nothing but major cash shoppers???????

Sadly, they're Probably assuming that you'll just simply switch too another of they're Gaming (Line-up) and are assuming you'll just blow your money on them there.... Rather then here......b:question

So I'd have to say {No} they're probably not overly concerned at all, sadly......b:surrender

RockMSockM - Harshlands wrote: »

Maybe its jus me, but i dont have tons of time or tons of money to spend on this game, and when its hard as hell to compete, and gear changes every 6 months, there are ppl like me who are left behind and cant play catch-up. I realize they have a business to run. But the recent gear adds did nothing but make the OP more OP.Im on the fence myself about leaveing. So my question is the staff at PWE concered or they finally getting what the want nothing but major cash shoppers???????

The recent updates introduced a G16 alternative to R9 which can only be farmed and R9 mats were pulled from boutique. This is more cash shop oriented how?

Have you people lost the ability to think?? Has this kind of complaint become a Pavlovian response to any content updates PW dares to implement?

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

The recent updates introduced a G16 alternative to R9 which can only be farmed and R9 mats were pulled from boutique. This is more cash shop oriented how?

Have you people lost the ability to think?? Has this kind of complaint become a Pavlovian response to any content updates PW dares to implement?

What you mean to say is, they put in G16 gear that makes old OP gear look like a joke, this is gear which can be farmed in under a week. Oh, and they ended a month long rep sale, which coincidently ended at around the same time. Oh, and they also formatted the new G16 gear to where everytime you reroll you lose your refines and shards, forcing you to start from scratch, then a week later they put 10*'s on sale. Hmm...no no, not cash shop oriented at all. I see nothing wrong with this scenario. Lol you're stupid. You make archers look bad.

And people are always complaining because PWE is always pulling shiit like this lmao. God open your eyes. -.-'

laloner wrote: »

People keep saying PWI doesn't care about the games future. Clearly they've decided the game's future is in endgame content and so they keep adding to that and speeding up leveling.

You might not like their plan, but its unfair to say they don't have one.

As you can tell, their plan is end game because that's where the money is. But they aren't balancing it. As the disparity between brand new players and end game content gets wider and wider fewer and fewer people are joining the game. Soon it will just be cashshoppers, and then even they will leave with no one else to play with besides themselves. Heck! They're already leaving to private servers, it's the same thing as PWI, but free!

ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What you mean to say is, they put in G16 gear that makes old OP gear look like a joke, this is gear which can be farmed in under a week. Oh, and they ended a month long rep sale, which coincidently ended at around the same time. Oh, and they also formatted the new G16 gear to where everytime you reroll you lose your refines and shards, forcing you to start from scratch, then a week later they put 10*'s on sale. Hmm...no no, not cash shop oriented at all. I see nothing wrong with this scenario. Lol you're stupid. You make archers look bad.

And people are always complaining because PWE is always pulling shiit like this lmao. God open your eyes. -.-'

so wait your saying r9 gear is ok but a farmable gear is not OK

that it takes a week or a month is not a issue tho

and how is farmable gear a cash shop oriented

well when you recast dont you always lose ur refine duh