Hercules or?

Elize_ - Raging Tide
Elize_ - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
edited June 2012 in Venomancer
Hey guys,

I just started playing pwi again and my main is a veno (after 3 years i still dont get bored of playing a veno). But i've noticed that there are lots of changes in pwi. I keep hearing that getting a herc is a waist of money and time.
My question is, is this true and why? 2 years ago everyone was fonded with hercs and i saw lots of rich venos running around that could solo TT and sell those items. is it cuz TT mats arent much worth now so hercs are kinda useless to have? or something else.

And if they are still usefull, could someone tell me how much sofs/PFs are worth these days? :o
One last question lmao. Is everyone still demanding hercs or nixes when they ask for a veno for bh or guilds etc.?

ty b:cute
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Hercs are indeed by far not as useful as they used to be anymore. Reason for that is that they won't hold aggro over even the most half-assed APS DDer, and the more profitable TT's aren't soloable by hercs either.

    Hercs are still worth it for the sake of maxing out your veno's potential, but are by no means needed for anything anymore. If anything, I'd say the new level 101 Derjan's Ancient Hatchling would be more useful since it has attack that's on-par with a phoenix (unbuffed) and can be used in dungeons. Although it will take some camping since it's an untradeable rare pet.

    SoF/PF prices are pretty high on most servers, but there was a certain pack that gave out herc/nix tickets. You can buy a ticket for about 90m when the packs are on sale (nix for quite a bit less on pve servers).
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Herc is like a laptop. You don't need one since desktops exist , but having one gives you many possibilities. however i suggest focusing on your gear and skills first , and leave herc for later.
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  • Elize_ - Raging Tide
    Elize_ - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    okies ty so much guys. So no herc for me.

    Still got some questions tho. I heard that a shadou cub is a good tanker + DD. Is this a better alternative for a GW. And is a amoured bear better than a cub?
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Elize_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    okies ty so much guys. So no herc for me.

    Still got some questions tho. I heard that a shadou cub is a good tanker + DD. Is this a better alternative for a GW. And is a amoured bear better than a cub?

    The Glacial Walker still has better p.def and DPS than the Shaodu Cub and the Armored Bear (whose stats are almost identical). Only the Armored Bear has a much better movement speed.
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    armored bear apart from the coolest pet in the game , has slightly more def , spped and hp than the cub. the difference in % of reduced dmg that comes to defence isnt. much different than the walker . generally none of the three can keep aggro in a squad , but i prefer the big bear for mobility.
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    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • Otonio - Heavens Tear
    Otonio - Heavens Tear Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    if you're serious about playing a veno, I'd highly recommend getting a herc, even now.

    I played three venos, and on the third, I started from lvl 1 with a herc, and it was like having a cheat code for the class. everything is exponentially easier and exponentially more fun.
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  • Elize_ - Raging Tide
    Elize_ - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    armored bear apart from the coolest pet in the game , has slightly more def , spped and hp than the cub. the difference in % of reduced dmg that comes to diffence isnt. much different than the walker . generally none of the three can keep aggro in a squad , but i prefer the big bear for mobility.

    So far my walker can hold aggro pretty well and tank 3 mobbies without dying. Idk if it will change on later lvls tho. But the main thing about veno's these days is that they need to be able to purge and amp in squads right? :o So a DD pet would be better to use when your in squads etc. Will a cub do well with that or is some other pet better for dd?
    Otonio - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    if you're serious about playing a veno, I'd highly recommend getting a herc, even now.

    I played three venos, and on the third, I started from lvl 1 with a herc, and it was like having a cheat code for the class. everything is exponentially easier and exponentially more fun.

    Hmm perhaps, but if its not that needy now i better just waste my coins for skills and gear. Or buy a nix for tw later on :o
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    if you plan to do tw , just get a nix . as for dd pets , wanderer & scorpion are good pets. you can replace them with rare pet Ancient derjans hatchling at lvl 101
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    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Derjan's Hatchling cannot replace a Herc. You want a pet that can tank mobs in BH99 while you soul degen, amp, etc. -That job is still best done with Herc.

    Even at lvl 80, Herc can't hold aggro on their on own venos; the argument about aggro is bunk. It buys us time to kill mobs before they reach us.
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    ADH is used to DD , her question was about DD pets not tanks. Read next time.

    that job you say is also done with any pet with a lvl 5 tough . Much cheaper than a herc.
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    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • Commissioner - Archosaur
    Commissioner - Archosaur Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    My alt has it and I NEVER regretted getting a herc.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    The herc is epic and I regret not getting it sooner than lvl 89 (because I had the possibility to get it sooner) but if you plan to reach endgame, there its use is diminished. It's not obsolete, but diminished.

    I'll also suggest focusing on your gear, skills and whatnot because you will find yourself having to tank things, survive things and such more often than you'll need to wait for your herc to tank things for you and since you won't be pet-tanking, you're contributing more to the squad with a good DPS pet that also has a couple of debuffs on it.
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    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ADH is used to DD , her question was about DD pets not tanks. Read next time.

    that job you say is also done with any pet with a lvl 5 tough . Much cheaper than a herc.

    op wrote:
    Hey guys,

    I just started playing pwi again and my main is a veno (after 3 years i still dont get bored of playing a veno). But i've noticed that there are lots of changes in pwi. I keep hearing that getting a herc is a waist of money and time.
    My question is, is this true and why?     2 years ago everyone was fonded with hercs and i saw lots of rich venos running around that could solo TT and sell those items. is it cuz TT mats arent much worth now so hercs are kinda useless to have? or something else.

    And if they are still usefull, could someone tell me how much sofs/PFs are worth these days? :o
    One last question lmao. Is everyone still demanding hercs or nixes when they ask for a veno for bh or guilds etc.?

    Tough is a 15s buff with 60s cool down. Typical BH Mobs are dead in ~12s even solo. You gonna wait around 45s to start next mob? Tough is for luring pets; waste of skill space and coin otherwise.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    Tough is a 15s buff with 60s cool down. Typical BH Mobs are dead in ~12s even solo. You gonna wait around 45s to start next mob? Tough is for luring pets; waste of skill space and coin otherwise.

    How's any pet even getting aggro (and dying on top of that) when mobs die in 12 sec?
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    he is on butthurt spree cause of his sad golden fathead ........ i worried too much
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    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • Elize_ - Raging Tide
    Elize_ - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    K well :o i'm too busy to lvl a low pet atm so i'm just gonna buy a cub and use it as DD/tank. And keep my walker for the things where i need to tank most things. The main thing i need to do in squads for TT, Fbs, and other caves is that i need to purge and amp right? :o later on i'll try to get a nix for tw and maybe pvp when it comes to it.

    Anyone knows what PF are worth ? :o

    Btws thank you so much guys for your opinions and answers!
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    edited June 2012
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How's any pet even getting aggro (and dying on top of that) when mobs die in 12 sec?


    As I've said tough girl; it's there to tank while you debuff. The rest is holding it long enough for you to kill it before it hits you.
  • Yulk_owns - Lost City
    Yulk_owns - Lost City Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Herc is like a laptop. You don't need one since desktops exist , but having one gives you many possibilities. however i suggest focusing on your gear and skills first , and leave herc for later.

    Seriously, a perfect example what venoes should be doing. Sadly most do the opposite b:surrender .

    Tip hercs are obsolete by level 90, you're better of just getting a puller pet like a catopod / eldergoth archer type. There are even faction buffs for pets that adds higher than level 5, making the hercs look old.
    thumbs wrote: »
    Tough is a 15s buff with 60s cool down. Typical BH Mobs are dead in ~12s even solo. You gonna wait around 45s to start next mob? Tough is for luring pets; waste of skill space and coin otherwise.

    Really? I have a walker with Level 5 threaten, level 5 tough, Faction base buffs which helps for keeping it alive from bosses that hits hard. I only use those skills on a pet, if there was six, I'd use HP buff and reflect. I'd rather use those skills than the others. As if pets have good damage...
    I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.

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    edited June 2012
    Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »
    Seriously, a perfect example what venoes should be doing. Sadly most do the opposite b:surrender .

    Because you're never done improving gear.
    Tip hercs are obsolete by level 90, you're better of just getting a puller pet like a catopod / eldergoth archer type. There are even faction buffs for pets that adds higher than level 5, making the hercs look old.[/COLOR]

    Those buffs aren't going to make one single pet replace a herc.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Popcorn anyone?
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    Popcorn anyone?

    me please ....

    @Elize , as long as you keep bosses Amplified , keep ironwood on mobs , use your AoEs , buff melees with bramble , and catch any mobs that threaten your casters with your pet , you will do a fine job.

    Remember Venos aren't just Debuffers , they can become good DDs as well.
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    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • Elize_ - Raging Tide
    Elize_ - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    me please ....

    @Elize , as long as you keep bosses Amplified , keep ironwood on mobs , use your AoEs , buff melees with bramble , and catch any mobs that threaten your casters with your pet , you will do a fine job.

    Remember Venos aren't just Debuffers , they can become good DDs as well.

    tysm phoenix you helped a lot ^^

    I checked the skills and did some research and i think that a knowlin is a better DD pet since it has lots of debuff skills altho his hp and pshy/mag res is a bit lesser than a cub, but like you said on later lvls none of the pets can hold aggro so think this will be a good option.
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Well Pierce becomes good only if you are a Demon veno with Demon Ironwood. Howl on the other hand is good yes , for you and the squad especially if the cleric neglets his-her own debuffs.

    Kowlins drawback is AoE Bosses , which he cant survive well. Dark Wanderer has a better survival rate , at least for physical AoE Bosses.

    Overall just focus on 2-3 pets that you aim for endgame , others can be lvled later when you are bored.
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    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
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    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well Pierce becomes good only if you are a Demon veno with Demon Ironwood. Howl on the other hand is good yes , for you and the squad especially if the cleric neglets his-her own debuffs.

    Kowlins drawback is AoE Bosses , which he cant survive well. Dark Wanderer has a better survival rate , at least for physical AoE Bosses.

    Overall just focus on 2-3 pets that you aim for endgame , others can be lvled later when you are bored.

    Mystic has mdef debuff also, but may refrain from using it to avoid over writing Ironwood or Devour. (Befuddling Creeper)
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Mystic debuffs are good for AoE situations . ofc Venos have Myriad , but this is a lottery skill
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    <--- MALE Veno ..... Moved to G W 2 or maybe not completely , don't know ...... PW addiction
    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • Elize_ - Raging Tide
    Elize_ - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    K so i bought a cub and added bash with it xD now i find out that this darn cute thing hits twice as less than my walker xD dont i feel awesome right now lmao. Gonna keep it tho and like i said use it as DD pet x_x;;

    Also heard that a qinfu is an awesome pet :o
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    edited June 2012
    Elize_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    K so i bought a cub and added bash with it xD now i find out that this darn cute thing hits twice as less than my walker xD dont i feel awesome right now lmao. Gonna keep it tho and like i said use it as DD pet x_x;;

    Also heard that a qinfu is an awesome pet :o

    Great! -(you're not on same server)
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    oh please , quit the whole boss-expert style , half of the server doesnt even interest in getting you in their squads , and they aren't all *moches* like you say.
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    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • BordoRose - Sanctuary
    BordoRose - Sanctuary Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Elize_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    K so i bought a cub and added bash with it xD now i find out that this darn cute thing hits twice as less than my walker xD dont i feel awesome right now lmao. Gonna keep it tho and like i said use it as DD pet x_x;;

    Also heard that a qinfu is an awesome pet :o

    Cub is sweet (: Mine got all skills maxed and must say it's doing pretty well~
    Well like you read earlier that Walker might be best -cheap- and -easy to get- choice as "end game pet" (lolz)
    Seans my veno is no more my main character I kept Cub. Sadly must say mostly I'm using him to lure bosses only (doing awesome job). Someone else said is good to have at least pet which can solo 1 mob in fb 99 caves. Cub got really hard time with that :/
    But as support is doing well (especially stun skill when mob gets to some caster (including you) too close, more time to run and prepair contrattack \o/ )

    Qinfu.. yup is good :o but if I would choose some between him and Walker. I would go Cub! (Walker ofc) More phy def is always nice (:


    sorry for mistakes in English
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    edited June 2012
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    oh please , quit the whole boss-expert style , half of the server doesnt even interest in getting you in their squads , and they aren't all *moches* like you say.

    Hate to burst your bubble of faildome but over half the squads I apply to as veno; I get in. b:bye

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