pure tank type build!!!

this topic again?

anyway the tank build can go something like how I do. every 10 levels I do this, 3 str. per level, I add dex. if I need to equip my next weapon and then after like I said every 10 levels. lets say I reached level 10, and I have remaining points to allocate, I dump those remaining points into vit. (no points should be allocated into mag. at all).

So bottom line every level I pump 3 str. per level and every 10 levels I add in str. and dex. to equip my new armor and weapon, then I dump the remaining points into vit.

Sounds simple as baking an apple pie. b:laugh

In other words just follow the weapon and armor requirements every 10 levels and have fun. b:pleased

elish08 wrote: »

tnx for your detailed reply.


so if im not mistaken, the point allocation per 10 levels will be 30 str, 19 vit and 1 dex???

your welcome, then again you can follow the weapon and armor requirements instead.
you only add dex if you need dex to equip armor and a barbs main weapon. please read carefully.

lets say your level 10 and your allocation is like this 20 str. and 7 dex. << your base point allocation and you have about 28 remaining points that can be allocated to vit.

sorry its a very confusing build and requires some patience.

Starts up the whole argument of what is a "tank". You've been described a vit build that won't hold aggro and won't tank. I'd describe a dd build that would hold aggro but is squishier. My suggestion, 3str, 1 dex, 1 vit per level and at level 100 restat to wear fists once you've refined to have 14k+ hp still.

Lhirikoh_WB - Sanctuary wrote: »

no argument should abide here at all, the guy just wanted to know what a pure tank build was, even though I gave a vitality build.

the whole point is that this is a game, a role-playing, let him chose the path he wants to have fun with.

PS: b:laugh the claw joke of yours was the best here in the barb forums.

You gave a vit build that will never tank because it will never hold aggro and didn't disclaim at all that its a TW build, not a pve build. That's where the argument is.

It's a useless build in PvE meant for people who'd rather have a larger hp pool and not hold than to stat for aggro and learn to survive with slighlty less hp. Like I said tank build =/= vit build.

And if you are PvE, there is no reason not to at least stat for fists at 100+.
Basically, you told him how to stat for a level 100 buff ****.

Lhirikoh_WB - Sanctuary wrote: »

what ever, its just a game. Why take my post so seriously when I kindly gave advice to the OP?

advice is generally meant to be taken seriously b:avoid

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

or he can go pure STR to use his skill and actually pk better then what fist would do in pk

Dont listen to Ghoul he knows nothing about the power that a 5 aps barb can do even when the barb has r9 and regs with over 14k in human b:laugh

Deago - Lost City wrote: »

Dont listen to Ghoul he knows nothing about the power that a 5 aps barb can do even when the barb has r9 and regs with over 14k in human b:laugh

Why do you keep saying r9 and aps has some sort of special power? The individual parts of r9 are not all that fantastic, it's the set bonus and the weapon that makes it so good - yet you are already stating you are using claws (which loses 50 atk levels instantly, 30 from the weap and 20 from the 6-piece bonus).

From what I can see the only 2 pieces of r9 that have int are the wrists and legs, just like Lionheart/Cascade so no major difference there. So assuming you use those 2 bits, you have a set bonus of +10 def levels. Now assuming the 90 int robe and a pan gu or L:UAD you are still at 4aps sparked. So to get 5 aps you must sacrifice either the r9 belt (if you choose to go for TT99 neck and belt combo) or 2 out of the r9 chest, belt and boots - which then leaves you with either a 3 piece or 4 piece at most set bonus.

So given that, if you choose to use a cube neck, you get left with at best a 3 piece r9 set bonus which is 1% crit.....woop de doo. If you sacrifice the cube neck and lose the mag def, atk & def levels and 5% hp that gives, you get a 4 piece set bonus which is +10 atk levels (really +9 seeing as you lose at least 1 from cube neck if you had the basic one).

EDIT: I am not at all questioning aps in general or your build and I certainly don't agree with a word Ghoul says (lol) I am merely curious what I am missing that makes "r9 aps" so incredible. Is it just the 10-15 extra def levels from the ring + 2 set bonus because that's the only advantage I can see over just using lionheart wrists/legs.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think he was comparing 5 aps damage to R9 damage. 5 aps is kind of ambiguous because it specify what gear or what refines, but if you invest as much as R9 would cost you into 5 aps the 5 aps build will have only slightly less survivability but will blow the damage output of the R9 axe user out of the water.

Comparing my endgame 5 aps G16 build with a 103 attack level, 540 strength pure R9 build, both with +12 weapons, the dps of R9 is around 112k and the G16s around 235k in a 15 second spark period, so for the first 15 seconds the 5 aps user does 214% more damage but then the R9 user drops down to about 42k dps while unsparked for the next 33 seconds. So in the R9s spark cycle the 5 aps user will do almost 4 times the amount of damage an R9 barb will do (including getting 4 times more paint heals and 3 times more spark heals/purifies). The cost is about a 15-20% loss in def/hp. Btw, the 48 seconds of 5 aps dps is 1130mil damage vs 307m from R9 (raw damage before mobs reduce it) so 800m damage difference in 48 seconds before the R9 barb can spark again.

That's what I think Deigo was refering to as "the power of 5 aps" vs the power of R9. Its impressive in pve with perma sparking but in pvp the dph of R9 is also impressive.

Yeah I understand all that and completely agree, I have never doubted 5 aps would outdps considering similar spendature, I guess I just got thrown because Deago said "even when the barb has r9 and regs with over 14k in human" which to me implies using claws combined with parts of r9.

Deago - Lost City wrote: »

As stated I am r9 with 5 aps, im currently working on getting the complete set for the bonus. But i only use part of it for PvE which isnt a big deal. Once i have full r9 Ill use that for more PvP base and TW, and with switching to belt from r9 belt I can still be 5 aps in PvP, so all in all I have no worries on losing attack lvls. b:bye

Ok so the only real advantage is the defense it provides, through def levels and refined hp? Got ya, thank you b:victory

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

but listen to this looser who still have his 99 pro gear on and LA orments ya ur pro bro

go with ur ugh what was it decide couch poor barbie wait was it diego

i hear decide is for farming and wait that is right it is for just that farming and nothing more.

ooh ur crith with axes does 4k less then a normal hit from me without my serking have fun serking and killing something with ur silly crith your gona need it.

now anybody who have anything inteligent aside from diego he need to go back farming cos he hope to get his rest of his r9 gear someday

Zerking*
Crit*
Intelligent*
Your*
Gonna*
Deago*
Ornaments*......Enough said.

Please Ghoul I'd like to see you kill me in PvP or even out last my claws which I do not have Deicide, more like Regicide. Please come on I'm always up for a easy fight. b:thanks