Rant about hp/mp food

WaterSarah - Sanctuary wrote: »

In conclusion: I think that if you cannot play your class, without needing food or charm, or even if you do not have either, and die 20million times on one quest I think that means either you have extremely bad luck, or you just cannot play your class for the life . of you b:surrender .

This is wrong... If you want to AoE grind or push your class to the limit -alone- you are suppose to use pots, charms, apoth or anything else, if you know it's going to be hard.

If you die trying to kill a group of mobs as BM because you didnt want to use anything but diamond sutra, you are not a bad player, you are just acting stupid. By logic you know you have to use more than gear and skills to survive in most situations.

But, this changes a lot if you are use freaking OP gear or you have BP as a melee class. Also changes if you are in squad with a healer, but people is hardly in squad lately...

if you must use armor, weapons or anything else but ur bare fists you dont know to play ur cass ijss b:avoid

Hp/mp food didnt come in till the tide exp if i remember correctly, maybe MAYBE a bit earlier with a jones event, but i dont think we even had them before tokens.

No they offer those items in-game because there are somethings that will require you to use all your resources in order to get them. I mean they even allow everyone to meditate so you don't have to fight a single mob at anything less than max hp/mp if you don't want to do so. I think some people use it as a crutch and don't learn their defensive skills well enough. But that doesn't meant that they don't know their class or anything like that either. Their play style is simply built more around offense than defense.

I agree to an extent.

Of course there is a way the game was meant to be played, and a way Players choose to be the strongest.

The second would be OP gear, soloing things with bp, and charms/packs.


There is also a way the game could be played, and what would really make it an RPG (role playing game). This would be only before the tideborn expansion, because that was created to please players, give them new stuff to play with, and try new game mechanics.

If you want to play it that way (I personally find it a lot more enjoyable as well, but you would constantly need 5 more people who are willing to share that kind of game experience) you should not use mystical tomes, charms, mp/hp food. You shouldn't squad with higher lvls for them to help you. Don't do BH's.
Do every single quest (and read it for the story it tells) and try to do your fb's with the best gear you can find and with a full squad of every single class (of the first 6). Dont outlevel your fb's too much, your lvl should be the same as the boss. Farm apoth and mats, don't CS at all. Your rank equipment is acceptable, but farm your own reputation. R9 is totally out of the question, as it is the first Rank that actually requires a cash shop item (the item can exist without cashshop, but only on enough amounts for 1-2 players on the whole server to have R9; and it came with later expansions). R9 would mean you are "the real hero of the land", the most powerful leader on the game.
R8 on the other hand is achievable (although extremely hard) with in-game normal means, so it would be OK.

And so it goes. The tideborn expansion included one Really good thing to play like this: New elite mini bosses that randomly walk around, and give good gears if you kill them. Killing them is somewhat easy at their orlower lvl, and helps you equip yourself.
I would love the game if everyone played this way (this only lasted for the first month of pwi, though...)




Without the need of this extreme position, I agree with you if you look at what the game should be played like. Many players think that tokens ruined the game.
But, my last conclusion would be:
Yes, the game changed, and you should adapt and play it the way you can. Use all menas possible to grow and have fun. If tokens exist and the ywont let you play the game the way it should, then play the game the way tokens let you. Use them and make the game easier, or avoid them and grow slowly. You don't need to be a fast lvler (you won't lvl really fast unless you cashshop probably) but try to enjoy the hours of grinding, envoy of justice quests would be the way of "vegetarian" lvling

Vegetarian=> No tokens, no cashshop, no BH, no FCC. Only regular lvling, 6 players squad of different classes, especially first 6 classes (if you ever played a "private" server that didn't update to genesis you would encounter a lot of players like this).




I AM NOT such a player, just stating that there are more ways of playing. (although I like vegetarian style, I prefer fast lvling strong chars)

To be honest, I don't think you would be a fail cleric if you did that. I do agree that it would be innefficient, and nowadays lvling fast is the first priority for almost everyone. more lvl = better player is most popular belief. And you could still have BB without food or charm (divine and drop pots usually are enough). Still, it's not about knowing how to play your class or not. You should be able to do it without food, but still it is really useful as it saves you a lot of trouble. And, once again, it's all just about being efficient. Most parts of FCC are doable without BB. People just want BB to be able to kill really large grouups of mobs, but that isn0t really neccessary to run the dungeon. Ut0s all just about speed (and hypers and lvl)

I am completely in favor of using tokens and hp/mp food, but I'm just sayiong it's not impossible to go without it. People played the game before tokens, and so can you