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asaelg
asaelg Posts: 4 Arc User
edited June 2012 in Seeker
hi all ty for see my opinion. I think the seekers still need skills or at least let us use the fist. we r good fighting againts bms , barbs and sins (not at all) i think we missing something with how we use the sword ( i want to see Blade Fervor sage or demon versionor how do we survive fighting magic class like the psy , the seekers has no chance , They got that buff to resist phy atk hits and what a seeker is supost to do , magic atks???? . By the time u try it u already death GOD i've benn duelling all classes and that s the only 1 havent fignd a way to beat them WTF that s a headache for meb:surrenderb:angry
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  • Notso - Raging Tide
    Notso - Raging Tide Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    asaelg wrote: »
    WTF that s a headache for meb:surrenderb:angry

    Your English makes me feel the same way b:shutup

    But I agree. I haven't yet killed a magic class in a duel b:chuckle Maybe that's just me being bad though b:pleased
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  • bennymars
    bennymars Posts: 40 Arc User
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    we seeker can still boost our attack speed by equipping items with -interval between attack and by choosing the 1 hand sword with more than 1.11 atk speed.

    fighting pys is very tough because of their skill that made them immune to pysical attacks in a few seconds. one of the ways to counter that is to use crowd control skills to hold them for a while until that physical immunity wears off. So that means we need to rely on the crowd control skills of our genie because we seekers do not have sufficient and reliable crowd control skills. but void step is still a good one.

    we seekers are also have magic attacks (physical attack based but in metal damage). like heart seeker, battousai and specially the edge blur. So its good to use these skills while they are in the physical immunity mode. paralysis from the heart seeker plus the edge blur is a good combo too.
  • Asthariel - Dreamweaver
    Asthariel - Dreamweaver Posts: 498 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    asaelg wrote: »
    They got that buff to resist phy atk hits and what a seeker is supost to do , magic atks????

    Blade Affinity --> Ion Spike ---> Edged Blur --> Heartseeker --> Battousai, is your friend...
    When you do a "magic atk" combo, I recommend using Ion Spike first for the metal resistance debuff, so your following skills hit harder.
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  • Galeheart - Heavens Tear
    Galeheart - Heavens Tear Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    Triple-sparking edged blur is always fun as well (with Cloud Eruption), I've done 2.2k on a R9 BM (not sure he was mag marrowed) per hit with it, part of being a good seeker is being creative with your skills, like the combo Asthariel posted. I think we're fine as a class, and we shouldn't be given fists, or else we'll devolve into another APS-oriented class. I already hurt inside whenever I see a seeker wearing the standard 5.0 gear setup...b:surrender
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  • bennymars
    bennymars Posts: 40 Arc User
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    Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Blade Affinity --> Ion Spike ---> Edged Blur --> Heartseeker --> Battousai, is your friend...
    When you do a "magic atk" combo, I recommend using Ion Spike first for the metal resistance debuff, so your following skills hit harder.


    its good if you use the heartseeker first before edge blur so the enemy can't run (if inflicted by paralysis)while you are using edge blur.

    with same gears and same level end game. we can't exchange attacks with them at long range because they deal more damage than seekers. thats why edge blur is a must. we need to paralyze them first to make sure they eat the whole edge blur.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    I accidentally my seeker so I cant skill anymore.
    Can help me fix it?
  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    voidstep__>Vortex =game over.
    This game is like washing hair with shampoo... Rinse and repeat if desired.
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  • Asthariel - Dreamweaver
    Asthariel - Dreamweaver Posts: 498 Arc User
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    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    voidstep__>Vortex =game over.

    Yeah, specially since the OP was talking about killing a psy while they have Psychic Will on... yeah, definitely gonna pwn them b:sweat
    Even out of Psychic Will, just don't expect to be able to hold vortex more than 2 secs, and that's if you even manage to cast it. Yeah, Voidstep, ofc course, but unless you're R9 you won't kill a psy during the small amount of time the stun lasts. Even with R9 you know... just don't underestimate magic fishes and their damn soul of stunning <.<
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  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    b:surrender when a fishy psy will, either try to stun/seal the fishy during the entire psy will or just holy path away. no use taking damage when not being able to give back
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  • breeeezy87
    breeeezy87 Posts: 0 Arc User
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    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    voidstep__>Vortex =game over.

    Worst possible strategy a seeker can have vs any class. APS seeker would be the worst build you could possibly make, if you want aps make a sin.
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
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    breeeezy87 wrote: »
    APS seeker would be the worst build you could possibly make

    any actual calculations supporting this? (regarding single target dps (skill spamming vs vortex vs aps build))
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  • breeeezy87
    breeeezy87 Posts: 0 Arc User
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    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    any actual calculations supporting this? (regarding single target dps (skill spamming vs vortex vs aps build))

    Not sure what kind of calculations you'd like but it's simple, seeker's cant get over 2.86 aps, seeker's require magic defense since they dont have skills to reduce mag dmg, seeker's are more ranged casters than melee, seekers dont have enough disables/stuns to play melee aps style. Also from actually playing the game and watching people's builds. Every seeker that initially went aps has changed from it besides the ones who account stash their BM's gear.
  • asaelg
    asaelg Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    Hey here a ilttle tip : first blade afinity then all those skills u guys recomended but even void step , blur , ion spike decreasin its metal def 25% and the heartseeker haha. U can kill a nob psy , not a real fighter psy. Who can beat that fish :( we just got a stun skill( not countin the sword buff to stun coz that s if u lucky) and just for 3 sec god dmn not fairb:angryb:angry
  • asaelg
    asaelg Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    If im gonna apser seeker is if they let us use the FIST , not with a sword ,wtf i already know the seeker isnt good as an apser with swords
  • LDooMl - Harshlands
    LDooMl - Harshlands Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    If you cannot kill on my class do not play it. You make us real seekers look horrible enough, how do you need attacks and im lvl 98 and beat some r9 sins in 1v1s? i even beat a bm with a couple of r9 parts like 4-0 one day. Either learn the class or quit and roll a sin so i can spam kill you b:bye
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
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    asaelg wrote: »
    If im gonna apser seeker is if they let us use the FIST , not with a sword ,wtf i already know the seeker isnt good as an apser with swords

    Are you asemthewise? because your about as idiotic as he is.
  • Uhcijamadara - Dreamweaver
    Uhcijamadara - Dreamweaver Posts: 3 Arc User
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    LDooMl - Harshlands wrote: »
    If you cannot kill on my class do not play it. You make us real seekers look horrible enough, how do you need attacks and im lvl 98 and beat some r9 sins in 1v1s? i even beat a bm with a couple of r9 parts like 4-0 one day. Either learn the class or quit and roll a sin so i can spam kill you b:bye

    Oh wow so u can kill a r9 sin , dont make me laught what sever r u on ,crape server ? And im talking about fightin psy , not sin or bm . If u read what i have wrote u'll i said we r good fighting those classes but not the psy
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited April 2012
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    well... regardless.... would be a nice treat to have a little more variety in weapons other than sword ;o
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
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    breeeezy87 wrote: »
    Not sure what kind of calculations you'd like but it's simple, seeker's cant get over 2.86 aps, seeker's require magic defense since they dont have skills to reduce mag dmg, seeker's are more ranged casters than melee, seekers dont have enough disables/stuns to play melee aps style. Also from actually playing the game and watching people's builds. Every seeker that initially went aps has changed from it besides the ones who account stash their BM's gear.

    clarification: i'm not talking about pvp, just pve and just boss fights: who would kill it faster, an aps seeker, a seeker spamming skills or a seeker vortexing?

    i have done some calc a year ago that resulted to vortex>aps>skill spamming; cannot remember what gear i used but i should probably try again with full r9 for vortex/skill
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  • Instanced - Lothranis
    Instanced - Lothranis Posts: 16 Arc User
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    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i have done some calc a year ago that resulted to vortex>aps>skill spamming; cannot remember what gear i used but i should probably try again with full r9 for vortex/skill

    Avg weapon damage with R9 build like this is 12 837.5. So with level 11 vortex over 15 seconds...
    (15/1.5)*(12 837.5+8300)*(2.28 - Att level)*(1.27*2 - crit rate)=1224114.9


    Now with this APS build (unsparked):
    (15*2.22*13086)*(1.59)*(1.2*2)=1662874.611


    Even between these two APS is the clear winner. But when we spark the APS build...
    (15*2.86*27668.5)*(1.59)*(1.2*2)=4529510.528

    As you can see, even with an usparked APS build, its DoT is superior. However we mustn't forget that over longer time periods, the APS build will have to respark (and possible build up chi, I'm not sure if 42.9 attacks during the spark period will get him 3 sparks again), all of which takes time, but this probably won't make his damage lower than vortex's.

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    Figured I'd do recast for the lulz

    Came out with 1316471.058.


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    EDIT 2: Corrected my maths... Massive difference!

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    If anybody can see a flaw in maths with APS, please tell me, because I'm horrified by what I found. b:cryb:shocked
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
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    Uhcijamadara - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oh wow so u can kill a r9 sin , dont make me laught what sever r u on ,crape server ? And im talking about fightin psy , not sin or bm . If u read what i have wrote u'll i said we r good fighting those classes but not the psy
    lol doom is a way better seeker than you will ever be
  • Uhcijamadara - Dreamweaver
    Uhcijamadara - Dreamweaver Posts: 3 Arc User
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    Tyvm for all ur work but i still thinking seeker need more skills . Would be nice Blade Fervor sage or demon version . Sage version 1%crit + atk lvl 5 or ( -3 channeling) + def lvl 2 . Demon version 3% crit + 3atk lvl + 1 def lvl and 2% atk speed ( in case there is an apser seeker ) there re some. Im happy they gave us a skill to detec sin :) the only class made just to kick that fish's butt ( after get r8 or r9) . If i see a sin goin into stealhmode lol idk, i dont think all of them know that secret lol b:laugh anyways. Hmmm what about a skill for lvl 49 or 59 , a range magic skill making the mobs slow and increasing our threatment lvl
  • $oul_Reaver - Archosaur
    $oul_Reaver - Archosaur Posts: 47 Arc User
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    LOL since when do seekers need aps. Meanwhile you need to have at least some skill when fighting a good psychic that knows what he/she is doing. although yes,psychic's can be a pain because they have reliable control skills,they can be easily dealt with by using sage unfetter to be immune to stuns whilst using resistant pots or absolute domain or something lol. furthermore, when a psychic is in white voodoo just loiter around with them. try and trick them and from then whilst they are in black voodoo that is the death zone 4 them. especially fighting a seeker.
  • _eVeReL_ - Sanctuary
    _eVeReL_ - Sanctuary Posts: 107 Arc User
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    +1 Reaver, ditch the energetic robe ang get a channeling one then u can pop off tht gemini faster,

    tip:if ur fighting a psy try using the 80 morai skill, it may break through psy will since it cut through a cleric's plume shell
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  • XXZeonXx - Harshlands
    XXZeonXx - Harshlands Posts: 372 Arc User
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    asaelg wrote: »
    hi all ty for see my opinion. I think the seekers still need skills or at least let us use the fist. we r good fighting againts bms , barbs and sins (not at all) i think we missing something with how we use the sword ( i want to see Blade Fervor sage or demon versionor how do we survive fighting magic class like the psy , the seekers has no chance , They got that buff to resist phy atk hits and what a seeker is supost to do , magic atks???? . By the time u try it u already death GOD i've benn duelling all classes and that s the only 1 havent fignd a way to beat them WTF that s a headache for meb:surrenderb:angry

    If they're in white voodoo when they Psy Will, just use battousai and heartseeker, then wait it out. They can't hurt you much.

    If they switch to black voodoo voidstep them before they vector, wait until near the end of voidstep stun, and then QPQ. (I hope you're sage) That completely wastes it.

    If you're fighting the kind of Psy who doesn't like to leave white voodoo unless they land a reliable stun, then just wait for them to cast BoL and then summon pets. DoTs ignore defense levels. Add a good amount of skill spamming to that and you'll most likely end up killing them in white.

    Save all genie energy for the "osh-" moments; don't use it otherwise.
    Don't waste voidstep.

    Fighting Psys really isn't all that hard; definitely easier than fighting Wizards at endgame.

    Edit: To the poster above me.. Do NOT use pet DoT on Psy Will. It will resist both the physical and metal aspect of it.
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  • Reshanta - Sanctuary
    Reshanta - Sanctuary Posts: 350 Arc User
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    Asthariel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Blade Affinity --> Ion Spike ---> Edged Blur --> Heartseeker --> Battousai, is your friend...
    When you do a "magic atk" combo, I recommend using Ion Spike first for the metal resistance debuff, so your following skills hit harder.

    Could swap out Edged Blur for Gemini Slash.
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