Hellfire Hatches: Sky

Svensk - Heavens Tear
Svensk - Heavens Tear Posts: 15 Arc User
edited June 2012 in Barbarian
Hey guys. I just wanted to know how the Hellfire Hatches: Sky put up against other axes?
What axes are they comparable to and would you recommend them for endgame for a person who's
100% PvE? Thanks for reply.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    better than R8 and Nirvana regardless of stats you get on it while being on par/just below R9 if you get 3 good stats on it in terms of DPS.

    G15 morai is the cheapest and basically the best for someone who does not PvP. 60 slaying levels is better than 40 attack levels so even G16 Nirvana does not compare to it without factoring in the cost. If you do not PvP at all there is no reason not to get G15 morai, it is one of the best axes in game PvE wise at an extraordinarily low cost.
  • thumbs
    thumbs Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    better than R8 and Nirvana regardless of stats you get on it while being on par/just below R9 if you get 3 good stats on it in terms of DPS.

    Better? I can't account share them: the cost of refining and sharding just 2 different weapons cost more than it would for a decent weapon you could account share. PvE equips was a clever gimmick to sell more D.Orbs (which curiously haven't seen a decent sale in a long time).
  • Svensk - Heavens Tear
    Svensk - Heavens Tear Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    Better? I can't account share them: the cost of refining and sharding just 2 different weapons cost more than it would for a decent weapon you could account share. PvE equips was a clever gimmick to sell more D.Orbs (which curiously haven't seen a decent sale in a long time).

    There are people who never pvp and only stick to PvE. These weapons are very liked by many of them.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    Better? I can't account share them: the cost of refining and sharding just 2 different weapons cost more than it would for a decent weapon you could account share. PvE equips was a clever gimmick to sell more D.Orbs (which curiously haven't seen a decent sale in a long time).

    Found something else to q.q about I see. Cheap weapon that ranks with the best weapons in the game for PvE but because it's not account stashable you're gonna whine in forums somemore, like usual.

    Anyways, something to note is its effectiveness is partially based on how many attack levels your character has. 60 slaying level is roughly a 52% increase in damage so 1.52 multiplier. That then gets multiplied attack levels. So total dps x slaying % x attack levels. For instance 52 attack levels and 60 slaying levels (52%) is a 231% increase in dps. Less attack levels means slightly less appeal for this weapon.

    But it's easy to reroll for target adds if you want survivability or dps from it. So if you want hp/vit/whatever as the adds you can do that, also.

    It's almost as good as the R9 axes, which cost 1.3bil for the entire package (ring, rep, axe) or about 800mil for just the axe. Morai G15 does about 90-95% of the damage but for 17mil. In fact, the average dph should be higher you just won't have the sac strike spike hits. For some barbs that's kind of a bonus knowing your dps doesn't depend on you losing hp.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    thumbs wrote: »
    Better? I can't account share them: the cost of refining and sharding just 2 different weapons cost more than it would for a decent weapon you could account share. PvE equips was a clever gimmick to sell more D.Orbs (which curiously haven't seen a decent sale in a long time).

    Okay, 2 classes in game uses axes, barbs and BMs.

    Say you were going for the next best option - Nirvana and for the sake of argument let's just assume you're going G16 and no rerolls.

    with raps at 1m each you need around 260m to make the axes. Given that each pair of G15 morais are 17m and superior with rerolls at negliable cost, you have to be spending ~110m on refining and sharding to make going Nirvana worth the effort. Seeing as barbs do not need even +5 on g15 morai for PvE use it is difficult to imagine how Nirvana is better than G15 morai unless your wizard/veno/archer/assassin/psychic all use axes.
  • Svensk - Heavens Tear
    Svensk - Heavens Tear Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Found something else to q.q about I see. Cheap weapon that ranks with the best weapons in the game for PvE but because it's not account stashable you're gonna whine in forums somemore, like usual.

    Anyways, something to note is its effectiveness is partially based on how many attack levels your character has. 60 slaying level is roughly a 52% increase in damage so 1.52 multiplier. That then gets multiplied attack levels. So total dps x slaying % x attack levels. For instance 52 attack levels and 60 slaying levels (52%) is a 231% increase in dps. Less attack levels means slightly less appeal for this weapon.

    But it's easy to reroll for target adds if you want survivability or dps from it. So if you want hp/vit/whatever as the adds you can do that, also.

    It's almost as good as the R9 axes, which cost 1.3bil for the entire package (ring, rep, axe) or about 800mil for just the axe. Morai G15 does about 90-95% of the damage but for 17mil. In fact, the average dph should be higher you just won't have the sac strike spike hits. For some barbs that's kind of a bonus knowing your dps doesn't depend on you losing hp.

    How does Hellfire Hatches compare to Nirvana Warfogs with Sacri Strike or Nirvana Stage 3 axes?
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Svensk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How does Hellfire Hatches compare to Nirvana Warfogs with Sacri Strike or Nirvana Stage 3 axes?

    I answered in my first post.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Found something else to q.q about I see. Cheap weapon that ranks with the best weapons in the game for PvE but because it's not account stashable you're gonna whine in forums somemore, like usual.

    Making a point about something isn't whining, but you're obviously acting butt hurt aren't you?
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  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    Making a point about something isn't whining, but you're obviously acting butt hurt aren't you?

    Wow seems like children never grow up b:bye
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    Making a point about something isn't whining, but you're obviously acting butt hurt aren't you?

    If you ever made actual points or helped in the forums you wouldn't have the reputation that you do. Plus, I saw you complaining and derailing a thread about how they don't account stash in cleric forums too.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If you ever made actual points or helped in the forums you wouldn't have the reputation that you do. Plus, I saw you complaining and derailing a thread about how they don't account stash in cleric forums too.

    You feel better after QQ?
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  • Dumpfback - Sanctuary
    Dumpfback - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    So just to be sure , with around 36 attack lvl and 60 slaying lvl you get a 187 % dmg increase , this means every arma in delta is pushed to 1,87x normal arma dmg ???
    So its nearly like you zerk prog every arma b:dirty. If this rigth its a great way to improve aggro holding again high refined DDs in Delta.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Dumpfback - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So just to be sure , with around 36 attack lvl and 60 slaying lvl you get a 187 % dmg increase , this means every arma in delta is pushed to 1,87x normal arma dmg ???
    So its nearly like you zerk prog every arma b:dirty. If this rigth its a great way to improve aggro holding again high refined DDs in Delta.

    Not quite.

    Attack levels = about +1% damage. So 36 attack levels is 136% damage.
    Slaying levels = less than 1% damage. 60 slaying levels is something like a 52% increase so 152% damage but only for PvE.

    And they apply to each other. You normal dps is first multiplied by attack levels then again by slaying levels. So dps x 1.36 x 1.52 =206% damage.

    You can compare that to your dps with attack levels alone of 136%. Going from 136% damage to 206% damage is a 51.5% increase, about half of a zerk. If you were to zerk with no slaying levels, just the attack levels you'd be doubling your normal 136% damage to 272% damage.
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  • Dumpfback - Sanctuary
    Dumpfback - Sanctuary Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Ah i see ty, btw is it possible that the new Mystic skill who gives 20% more dmg also works with giving Slaying lvls ( didnt check char screeen when i had it on me)?
    I hit once 150k zerk crit on a mired&dragoned wave, that is almost the double iam able to hit without this new skill.

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