Sage veno pvp

Nut - Lothranis
Nut - Lothranis Posts: 49 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Venomancer
So, I have a sage veno with full sage skills and str based genie. Pure magic build. I have 39 dex and alternate weapon shared with accuracy so I'm at around 95% hit chance for caster and at around 40-70% for barb/bm/seeker. Anyway, I need some tactics from pro venos about pvping but only in 1v1, since I don't plan on massive pk's or tw's yet.

I'm usually using lucky scarab/occult/stunning blow+expel/nova for stunning the enemy till death, throwing in occasional myriad and soul degen/amp/purge but sometimes even after 30 secs of stunning they won't die b:cry

Any other combos/tricks i should know about?
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  • Subtraction - Harshlands
    Subtraction - Harshlands Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    can you explain why you have 39 points of dex and an "alternate" weapon? magic doesn't need accuracy

    if you're meleeing others in pvp, you're doing it wrong.
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  • Nut - Lothranis
    Nut - Lothranis Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'm not meleeing others, I just use it so I can hit arcanes and heavies with stunning blow so I get another 8 secs of stun.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    First off, since you have 39 Dex, then your build is not pure magic. Pure magic means that all of your points are in magic except for the 54-60 Str points required for the gear and weapon.

    Secondly, dexterity is absolutely useless for venomancers unless they are HA or LA builds. Venomancers don't benefit from dex (unlike archers and assassins) and the accuracy 39 dex points give is pitiful. You can use rings that give accuracy+ instead since rings can be equiped on any toon regardless of build.

    Imo, the 39 dex is just a waste b:surrender

    I'll let others cover the PK.

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  • Nut - Lothranis
    Nut - Lothranis Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    First off, since you have 39 Dex, then your build is not pure magic. Pure magic means that all of your points are in magic except for the 54-60 Str points required for the gear and weapon.

    Secondly, dexterity is absolutely useless for venomancers unless they are HA or LA builds. Venomancers don't benefit from dex (unlike archers and assassins) and the accuracy 39 dex points give is pitiful. You can use rings that give accuracy+ instead since rings can be equiped on any toon regardless of build.

    Imo, the 39 dex is just a waste b:surrender

    I'll let others cover the PK.


    First off, fine, I didn't look what I wrote at first (about pure magic). Second of all, I use alternate weapon and have dex cause I don't want to waste channeling I could get on rings for accuracy and it would be too bothersome for me to switch both rings during battle just to use stunning blow. Anyway, I asked for advice on PK, if you don't know how to answer my question with this build, just imagine I'm full magic with channeling rings and etc. and give me some advices on pking with that build.

    Edit: Read my entire post and wow, I sound mad which I am not. :<
  • Doqui - Raging Tide
    Doqui - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    First off, since you have 39 Dex, then your build is not pure magic. Pure magic means that all of your points are in magic except for the 54-60 Str points required for the gear and weapon.

    Secondly, dexterity is absolutely useless for venomancers unless they are HA or LA builds. Venomancers don't benefit from dex (unlike archers and assassins) and the accuracy 39 dex points give is pitiful. You can use rings that give accuracy+ instead since rings can be equiped on any toon regardless of build.

    Imo, the 39 dex is just a waste b:surrender

    I'll let others cover the PK.



    Dex has it's uses, i made sure that i get 20 dex with my gear on for the extra 1% crit
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  • Doqui - Raging Tide
    Doqui - Raging Tide Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    First off, fine, I didn't look what I wrote at first (about pure magic). Second of all, I use alternate weapon and have dex cause I don't want to waste channeling I could get on rings for accuracy and it would be too bothersome for me to switch both rings during battle just to use stunning blow. Anyway, I asked for advice on PK, if you don't know how to answer my question with this build, just imagine I'm full magic with channeling rings and etc. and give me some advices on pking with that build.

    Edit: Read my entire post and wow, I sound mad which I am not. :<


    drop the accuracy idea

    just go full magic and don't waste time switching weapons.

    stunlocking is imo not very usefull on a veno (we lack the skills and you will be better off saving your genie for defence), just purge and amp and spam myriad while you kite and hit

    i mainly use lucky scarab to interrupt channeling ad honestly 1 never use stunning blow (i don't like being in foxform longer then i have to, i rather be nuking them)
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  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Edit: Read my entire post and wow, I sound mad which I am not. :<

    That's ironic because the avatar you're using is called Nut. Calling someone a nut usually means you're saying they're mad.

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  • Itori - Lost City
    Itori - Lost City Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I was gonna say something about my pvp strategy, then I realized how bad the advice would be on here b:shocked

    Since you specified sage, I find with a playstyle as a 'nuker', dex genie is best for me, cause it is so useful for getting out of stuns (Expel and Badge of Courage) and having a pretty damn long Extreme Poison(amp + ep nom nom) I tried elemental weakness but hardly use it. Fortify is probably better as a sage as you don't have demon sprint.
    (which might be a little off since I haven't played here in a while)

    Against most heavies I do something like: run up in fox, usually start off with sage soul degen, amp, if they try to hit you I usually use nix stun then purge, go human, lucky them, Nova during 3 sec lucky, Extreme Poison, and fire away. It depends on who you're fighting though, some barbs I meet do nothing at all, some are super annoying and turtle/reduce damage a lot... Crush Vigor if you have to, but usually try to purge when they have Bestial Rage so they get no chi out of you hitting them. Then with BMs you need to stay out of stun as much as possible, learn to time your antistuns, usually don't get too close to them unless purge their antistun (<just a personal favorite of mine) and help to possibly try and catch them without mag marrow on. On seekers try to avoid debuffing them (amps or ironwood) because a smart seeker will pass it back to you. Wait until they do this(Quid Quo Pro) To debuff them cause it has a 1 minute cooldown. Pure mag with a pretty good weap (<I have no idea what that is anymore on PWI) should be able to nuke a heavy enough to kill it with most of the debuffs on them.

    Against Light: Both classes that use this are squishy, so as long as you can avoid getting stunned you can usually hit them pretty hard and your nix will bleed them slightly more significantly than heavies, as long as it lives. Vs. Sin do what you can do to get away from, avoid getting stunned and use sage sprint when you get frozen. You are ranged so don't sit there and try to tank them, you should pretty much always be in fox if you take a hit from them cause human is where you deal damage but it is risky to get cocky and then get stunned and owned. Archer is almost the opposite. They have a min effective range, get in it. It effectively halves their damage. A smart archer will kite though, so try to keep them from moving and purging their 15 second antistun to be able stop them in their tracks. They're kinda squishy like sins, so damage on them is about the same.

    Against Arcane: Biggest mistake here, imo, is nix reliance. Sure, they take the greatest damage from bleed but they can also kill your nix very very easily. Nix is not much more than a tool used to stun and possibly debuff your enemy, if it lives long enough, great, you have some extra damage on your side, great, but don't play like you'll always have it. You have to rely on your own damage like all other arcanes, so you might as well use what your class is known for, which is debuffs. Arcanes you need to worry less about getting stunned, but they can also hit you as hard as you can hit them (in general) so I'm gonna keep it simple and say, try to stun them after you've debufffed and resist or reduce their damage when necessary. Some arcanes are spark happy, so purge that ASAP and leave them with pretty much wasted 3 sparks. I'd go into more specific classes but this post is long enough. Just try things out yourself and find out what works.
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  • GodzGrace - Heavens Tear
    GodzGrace - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I hav a lvl 100 veno and im new to the whole pvp thing..so far im good at killling bm,barb,assassins and any other meelee type players. usually for a bm/sin/barb i use this combo-bramble hood(usually they kill themselve wit this one if they dont an run away from u then continue) lucky scarab,ironwoodscarb,whirlwind,venomous scarab and they shud die pretty easy.
    note: all this time your pet should be attacking as well hence the ironwood scarab-to reduce pys.def for your pets attack.

    how ever i suck wen it comes to magic classes..cleric and mysitcs are my weakness any advice on what to do about them? physics and wizzy are easier but the thing with mystic an cleric are there sleep and healing skills..
    b:cryb:surrender