Aps Veno

I played pm pwi calculator once with aps veno and it's possible to make LA 4aps veno that can wear 100lvl magic weapon...but it is a bit expensive build since it needs lot of high lvl engraving and some rare items. Is it worth it I'm not really sure.

No they can't , Using Fists and Claws with a LA build doesnt enable you to fox form , you lose damage and get no bonuses from Spark that can increase you APS.


There is also no such apothecary to help with this


Either Stay HA/Arcane or pure Arcane , APS on veno is a sick and awful idea. Venos are Skill users , they aren't meant to be APS freaks , there is a limit to all such things , and let's not try to surpass it.

I wish that ppl would stop rolling APS on every class and actually play the classes as they're supposed to be played. APS on Veno = FAIL, you'd be totally useless. Venos need a magic weapon for all of their skills or need to go without a weapon (which would be dumb). Venos are casters so please leave them as casters and go make a Sin or BM if you want an APS toon that bad.

Its not a good build.

Stick with HA/AA-HA/AA

a small amount of dps helps in fox form but don't go full out aps..

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah, a veno can go APS if you have the money and whatnot but I don't see the point in that. Why would you want an APS veno? Might as well make APS Clerics..b:sweat

Really sorry but we all know that Heavy Armor Axe clerics are far more effective than Fist ones ........................ b:cute

Well, venos are not just bramble, lending hand, amplify damage and purge. There's more to them than just that..

keep in mind venos only get 4 chi per attack, so that means 4 aps is not permaspark

dupethefile wrote: »

I don't mind if this build is very expensive, my question is what's the equipments i should put to get 4 aps?

http://pwcalc.com/1bc40ecdcbe37fd9

One 4 aps claw veno. Kind of a useless build if you ask me.

dupethefile wrote: »

Isn't there any manner to get 4 aps using a magic weapon? Because i wanna use skills.

It's impossible to reach 4 aps with a magic weapon for 2 reasons:

1) Magic weapons have less base attack speed than fists/claws

2) Magic weapons cannot have -interval bonuses


http://pwcalc.com/2dd1a91fb81e4990

2.5 base aps with a magic sword. That's the absolute highest aps I could come up with using a magic weapon. Also keep in mind, OHT gloves with 3 -interval stats are virtually non-existent.

An APS veno (combined with good casting and magic gear) is fine if a character who can switch up between magic and melee is what you find fun. If you calculate the marginal DPS increase for the easier pieces of APS gear (e.g. L90 gold TT heavy sleeves, you'll find that they're the cheapest way to increase melee DPS (compared to, say, investing that money in weapon refines). So a moderate amount of APS is your most cost-effective choice for increasing DPS on a melee veno. (Or was - I don't play enough to know what TT mat prices are like now.)

It used to be that (unfortunately) APS was the way to maximize DPS on the veno. The way refining bonuses on magical swords work favors APS melee over casting. That may have changed with R9 gear, since the pataka is fine for casting but sucks for APS. I don't play enough anymore to bother working out the math comparing R8 to G15, and R9 to G16 magic swords. But if you're trying to make an APS veno who does nothing but APS for the sole purpose of maximizing DPS, then you should probably switch to a BM or assassin. They can reach higher (solo) DPS more easily and cheaply. An archer is also a good candidate since they do very good ranged damage like spellcasters, and good APS melee damage.

akosireann wrote: »

Unfortunately this is what happens when people and most venos think we venos are a support classb:cry

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To be clear, I've never advocated any particular type of playstyle. I've always advocated that people do whatever they find most fun. It's a game, it's supposed to be fun. If it's not fun, what's the point of playing?

What I've said though is that the veno's design means the support skills represent a large part of her contribution to the group. If you choose to neglect them, understand that you are skipping out on a large part of the veno's potential.

This was mostly directed at venos who absolutely refused to Amp in a squad because they thought it wasn't worth 6 seconds in fox form. While the veno is playable that way, you're like a BM who refuses to HF (literally - the percent bonus over time to group DPS for the two skills is nearly identical). In most squads, the loss of 6 seconds of your casting damage is tiny compared to the increase in group damage from Amp.

It wasn't supposed to mean that veno DD sucked. It was supposed to mean that Amp is a really, really, REALLY good skill in squads - among the best damage skills in the game. If your fun comes from maximizing damage, then it's definitely a skill you want to be using.