No one said anything?

I did =P

Aurantiumina - Heavens Tear wrote: »

patch notes claim they fixed the R8 recast psy weapoon problem b:surprised

that's remarkable and deserves a "thank you" for the gmsb:cute

see? b:chuckleb:cute

TY GMS and devs again b:thanks

Probably because most of the ones aware of what the problem was had already picked up on the player-made fix before PWI bothered with it? The very fact that there WAS a player fix publicly released on the forums before PWI actually fixed it brings into question how fast they'd have reacted if it hadn't been spread around.

I'm not saying PWI didn't do a decent thing one way or another (they actually did what was needed by essentially forcing a wide-spread fix of this which is what the players who produced the patch wanted to happen anyways) but it does kinda say something when the players are able to respond to and handle an issue faster than the official staff can. Odds are that half the people who would say something are content to leave this issue be without commenting because at least PWI tried.

... Or at least they would be BEFORE you went and explicitly pointed this out. Now that you've done so the odds of them popping up to question PWI's lack of speed as well as the types of customer service responses those affected received and so on is far more likely.

If you check the cabbage patch notes, genotypist posted this :

- Removed the graphics on a particular Psychic weapon, which would crash a player's client upon equipping. A working graphic model will be reimplemented in a future patch.

if you aren't smart enough to realize what that means, i'll explain it. this issue was created at the imperial fury patch, almost three weeks ago (i think). in that time all they did was REMOVE the graphic causing the glitch, they did not fix it. in that time, the player base made its own fix. (stab at the threads creator, 2 weeks to implement a temporary solution to a bug that caused major client instability is NOT a short time.)

they did not fix the +11/+12 orb glitch, they REMOVED them from the boutique 2 days after the glitch appeared, (was not playing at this time but so i dont know if it has been fixed).

they did not fix the goons glitch (still have not), they MODIFIED the exp of normal mobs to prevent said abuse and that was MONTHS after it was discovered and started being abused. not only did they not punish the abusers (im sorry but a 7day ban is not punishment for this offense, its a break from the game, come back and not be so bored, i do it all the time) but they punished the ENTIRE player base by doing this. this "FIX" caused the second half of FCC/FC to lose 95% of possible exp for non glitchers server wide and therefore getting people to help with it is nearly impossible. now the only way to finish the quests in there is to be able to solo it yourself or find friends that are helpful. and unfortunately, lately at least in sanctuary server, alot of those players are quitting or becoming jerks. <--how is that FIXING?


THIS is why we complain that they fix nothing.

a simple fix that could have been used, especially sincethey knew exactly what weapon it was, was to change the entire ingame image of the weapon to another until they discovered the cause of the issue. but no, they waited weeks to just remove it until it gets fixed. previous games ive played, the gm's were ONLINE after the patch, to watch for issues. some games went down less than an hour after a patch bc there were major glitches. that doesnt happen here.

They're silenced by proven wrong... And now they also have 1 reason less to QQ about... So basically PWI just took away a part of the purpose of a QQers life... b:chuckle

PW should just sell all PW rights, files, and developing tools to Turbine so we can talk straight to the devs.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Because PWE is just a distributor and majority of the playerbase don't realize that they can't really do ANYTHING besides sending requests for patches and fixes from the Chinese Devs. And when it takes a while for the Chinese Devs to send something or give them permission to do something(which takes time considering language barriers and logistics and other things besides the fact the Chinese run more then just our and their version of PW.) its been "too much time". Ya "Insert game" fixes all of their **** almost instantly. Ya? Heres a news flash the GMs are local and are allowed to fix their own product. PWE has to wait for things from the Chinese Devs....

^ The only thing PWE is free to handle are the sales hence why it didn't take long for them to fix the orb issues. Who's at fault? Probably those who made this agreement.

That and, it was proven that the Chinese don't care about this version of the game all that much. Why do you think it took forever to get the DQ reward or get the Goon "fix". In China, hypers don't work in FCC, that was an issue exclusively in our version of the game and it showed that the HQ over there clearly didn't care.

It's similar to people demanding that GMs fix the game. They don't realise GMs are not developers.

Nareeah - Lost City wrote: »

only reason why they "fixed" this is cuz the weapon of mass disconnection was released
They did something because the Chinese Devs allowed them to.
and still they offered no compensation for people that were unable to play for like 3 weeks
Why does everything need compensation?
and it's not fixed, the graphics were removed, that's not fix
Once again the Chinese Devs have to send the fix
frost boss is still glitch-able just exp is ****- not a fix either
Blame the Chinese Devs as they don't have that problem so they gave us the "fix" that seemed adequate since their FF doesn't get hypers
orbs weren't fixed either
/Facepalm

so pls do explain how all that is FIXING?
Another person who proves my point....

Red .

Nymphali - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You sir should search further before posting this.

Read the patch notes before saying they said nothing.

You missed what OP was talking about. He meant the people that always say PWI doesn't do X or Y being silent after the patch.

NecroTwist - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you check the cabbage patch notes, genotypist posted this :

- Removed the graphics on a particular Psychic weapon, which would crash a player's client upon equipping. A working graphic model will be reimplemented in a future patch.

if you aren't smart enough to realize what that means, i'll explain it. this issue was created at the imperial fury patch, almost three weeks ago (i think). in that time all they did was REMOVE the graphic causing the glitch, they did not fix it. in that time, the player base made its own fix. (stab at the threads creator, 2 weeks to implement a temporary solution to a bug that caused major client instability is NOT a short time.)

they did not fix the +11/+12 orb glitch, they REMOVED them from the boutique 2 days after the glitch appeared, (was not playing at this time but so i dont know if it has been fixed).

they did not fix the goons glitch (still have not), they MODIFIED the exp of normal mobs to prevent said abuse and that was MONTHS after it was discovered and started being abused. not only did they not punish the abusers (im sorry but a 7day ban is not punishment for this offense, its a break from the game, come back and not be so bored, i do it all the time) but they punished the ENTIRE player base by doing this. this "FIX" caused the second half of FCC/FC to lose 95% of possible exp for non glitchers server wide and therefore getting people to help with it is nearly impossible. now the only way to finish the quests in there is to be able to solo it yourself or find friends that are helpful. and unfortunately, lately at least in sanctuary server, alot of those players are quitting or becoming jerks. <--how is that FIXING?


THIS is why we complain that they fix nothing.

a simple fix that could have been used, especially sincethey knew exactly what weapon it was, was to change the entire ingame image of the weapon to another until they discovered the cause of the issue. but no, they waited weeks to just remove it until it gets fixed. previous games ive played, the gm's were ONLINE after the patch, to watch for issues. some games went down less than an hour after a patch bc there were major glitches. that doesnt happen here.

^^ This exactly.

Sadly the list of things that still need to be fixed would not even fit on one forum page... b:cry

I am not blaming the GM's of PWE here....the blame is on the devs entirely

Nareeah - Lost City wrote: »

what ****ing point

idc who did it
IT'S NOT A FIX

and yes if you know anything about a treat your costumers well
not being able to play for 3 weeks requires ATLEAST A SORRY

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Because PWE is just a distributor and majority of the playerbase don't realize that they can't really do ANYTHING besides sending requests for patches and fixes from the Chinese Devs. And when it takes a while for the Chinese Devs to send something or give them permission to do something(which takes time considering language barriers and logistics and other things besides the fact the Chinese run more then just our and their version of PW.) its been "too much time". Ya "Insert game" fixes all of their **** almost instantly. Ya? Heres a news flash the GMs are local and are allowed to fix their own product. PWE has to wait for things from the Chinese Devs....

^ This one. You seem to be clueless about how a licenses agreement between a distributing company and the game producers work. Let me break it down for you.

Chinese PW has the actual GMs/Devs that make the updates/patches/fixs. They then send all these into .pck files for other Distributing companies. PWE American PWE Brazil PWE Europe and more.

If an error ever occurs or something needs fixing. The Distributing Company (Our PWE) sends an email which includes but not limited to. What the issue is, how the issue occurs, what the source(s) that cause it, suggestions for fixs.

The Developers(Devs) of the Chinese version then read this as well as many other emails from other versions as well as issues with their own game. They then put it in a Queue of things to do. Their version having top priority and then the other games having priority after. They then look at the issue in relation to their game as they can't directly see how it impacts ours (Like FF for example) and make fixs accordingly. They then test it to make sure it works ok and send it to us. The Devs then do their own testing to make sure language translation etc etc is ok and then implement it in the game after the fact. Due to the distance logistics and other factors this time period can take WEEKS or MONTHS.

So you can't always blame PWE for issues beyond their control and always demand compensation for something they can't directly fix when they want to. Hell I'm sure they were aware of the problem before Bubbles posted said fix and instead of waiting for the fix decided to take action into their own hands(or ask for approval to remove the model until a future patch has a fix) to do something.

/rant

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Stop blaming the wrong person.

I cannot check the contents of the patch at this time but I find it interesting that they not only did an emergency maintenance that actually fixed an exploit, but that they said they removed the graphics of a model.
It is to my understanding that due to the way that pck files are constructed, files cannot actually be deleted by a patch or the patcher itself.
Pretty much everything that has ever been added to a pck file stays there forever. The only time something can be "removed" is if it is rewritten over by something else. One example of this are smileys; since elementclient cannot handle more than a certain number of smileys, they constantly have to be rewritten over if wanmei wants to add in new ones. Smileys do not have unique names on their files so this isn't an issue.
Everything else though, whether it be a mount, mob, pet, armor, wep, anything that may have been "removed" from game still exists in files. I can't think of any examples atm.

This leads me to believe that what the patch did is either: placed an invisible model for the weapon (completely unnecessary, would be better to use old model), or they did what I did and replaced that line of coding in elements.data and made the wep use no model at all.

Either way, it is a fix in that people are not abusing the bugged model on un-fixed clients.

Eh, a lot of people seem to be only here to trash talk PWE. So if there is a fix for something expect them to just complain about something else =P

Can't help trash talkers. lol

We'll Actually yes and no.....Yes they do fix some minor stuff and its not unnoticed.But there's also alot of instability server related.One is Server error please re log.where u can see typing/mobs can attack u u cant attack back and have to force log out thus depends on class u die thank god i made a barb xD.Veno pets get stuck on hills etc.Some stuff are irritating in general.Altho they atleast do try to keep us happy and that's appreciated b:victory

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You are preaching this.......while true, the only people who will read and understand it are the ones who do already. It's just easier for people to QQ and bash PWE when they have no clue how the system is run between here and China, and most of these people dont even care to know how it actually works, I've found.

While PWE isn't responsible for making patches, that doesn't mean that they can't put on some blame as well.
Their sole job is to communicate effectively; whether it be through patch notes or doing events or letting us know of issues, pwe has to maintain a relatively open line with their players to avoid any mishap and miscommunication.
Throughout this entire mishap with the psy wep, the only response we got on it was a few posts by a gm in a couple of threads. Not once did that gm or any of the others think of making a sticky or a news post that there was a grave issue at hand.
Just because pwe can't do much in how the game is run doesn't mean tehy still can't make a difference; if pwe was more open to pressing issues and at least attempted to talk to the community other than few posts here and there, most of the rage against pwe would not exist.

Pwi was always a game of problems... The only reason why people complain about pwe now as opposed to 3 years ago is due to the lack of caring gms. 3 years ago we had gms like spoons to jump in and try to keep us calm during any mishap. That really doesn't happen now unless there are threads with 10 pages about it...

I could go on but at least in this case there was an emergency maintenance that addressed it faster than in most cases.
Judging from the patch's contents though wanmei probably already had it ready since they needed to update the loading screens with the new pwi logo; pwe probably asked them to release it early. Considering that another version of pw has a similar fix wanmei probably reused that for us to cut down on time.

Now, whether or not they'll actually fix that model is something we'll have to see...

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

While PWE isn't responsible for making patches, that doesn't mean that they can't put on some blame as well.
Their sole job is to communicate effectively; whether it be through patch notes or doing events or letting us know of issues, pwe has to maintain a relatively open line with their players to avoid any mishap and miscommunication.
Throughout this entire mishap with the psy wep, the only response we got on it was a few posts by a gm in a couple of threads. Not once did that gm or any of the others think of making a sticky or a news post that there was a grave issue at hand.
Just because pwe can't do much in how the game is run doesn't mean tehy still can't make a difference; if pwe was more open to pressing issues and at least attempted to talk to the community other than few posts here and there, most of the rage against pwe would not exist.

Pwi was always a game of problems... The only reason why people complain about pwe now as opposed to 3 years ago is due to the lack of caring gms. 3 years ago we had gms like spoons to jump in and try to keep us calm during any mishap. That really doesn't happen now unless there are threads with 10 pages about it...

I could go on but at least in this case there was an emergency maintenance that addressed it faster than in most cases.
Judging from the patch's contents though wanmei probably already had it ready since they needed to update the loading screens with the new pwi logo; pwe probably asked them to release it early. Considering that another version of pw has a similar fix wanmei probably reused that for us to cut down on time.

Now, whether or not they'll actually fix that model is something we'll have to see...

Honestly...if I were a GM, I wouldn't come here either. When one does they are blasted, called names, yelled and cursed at. Any sort of apology or explanation is responded to in that way from us. One appears in WC/system messages and they get the same thing there. Is it any wonder they have disappeared?
We have no idea what they do to fix this stuff. Maybe they work hard to get this stuff from China, maybe they don't. We don't know. And will never know as long we continue to lash out that way.
And we can't say that they don't care. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I sure as hell wouldn't come here to only be called names and yelled at.