Cleric or Mystic
Siilenzex_ - Dreamweaver
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Hey guys i wanted to make a kind of healer class.. I've never played one before. Idk which to play on which do u think will b fun to play early to mid lvls 20-70 or so. Thank youb:victory
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Siilenzex_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Hey guys i wanted to make a kind of healer class.. I've never played one before. Idk which to play on which do u think will b fun to play early to mid lvls 20-70 or so. Thank youb:victory
Well if you want to be a "kind of healer class.." like you wrote i would say a Mystic? since you kinda heal when needed as a Mystic if of course you're not considered the main healer.0 -
Wizard's a kind of healer class too, ijs.0
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If you've never made a healer before, then a mystic might be good to start with. You usually won't be expected to solo heal all the time, and it'll give you time to adjust to the healer's mentality of watching your squad's hp as well as the mob's. Not to mention but you'll have a pet to help protect you early on, where as us clerics have to get through those early level's solo.
Even though I say this though, I will always prefer my cleric. I got a mystic up to level 40, but it just wasn't my style because I've been a cleric for almost 4 years and I just got used to it. =P You're a clean slate though, so you may find mystic's more your style.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Of course, I'm ALWAYS invited to squad because of my boss heals. b:coolSmellsFishy - Dreamweaver wrote: »Wizard's a kind of healer class too, ijs.
Wait, something smells fishy here...b:avoid[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] for the sig, Silvy
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Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »If you've never made a healer before, then a mystic might be good to start with. You usually won't be expected to solo heal all the time, and it'll give you time to adjust to the healer's mentality of watching your squad's hp as well as the mob's. Not to mention but you'll have a pet to help protect you early on, where as us clerics have to get through those early level's solo.
Even though I say this though, I will always prefer my cleric. I got a mystic up to level 40, but it just wasn't my style because I've been a cleric for almost 4 years and I just got used to it. =P You're a clean slate though, so you may find mystic's more your style.
I agree with you Jeremied. As a Cleric main, it can take a bit to get used to squad watching for HP and purify. Also with the starter cities not so populated as they were when we started, a mystic would be easier to level from the ground up. When you get to 80+ a cleric would be in higher demand... it is up to your play style. The nice thing about it is that you can level up both and share the gear on the same account. Once you get to do your bh's and fb's... you will learn which is better for you.
If you do roll a cleric, remember... Clerics are here to save your butt, not to kiss it.
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Siilenzex_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Hey guys i wanted to make a kind of healer class.. I've never played one before. Idk which to play on which do u think will b fun to play early to mid lvls 20-70 or so. Thank youb:victoryFondlemore - Sanctuary wrote: »Of course, I'm ALWAYS invited to squad because of my boss heals. b:cool
Wait, something smells fishy here...b:avoid
Hey...demon morning dew is like a cleric's Ironheart. b:bye0 -
well i thank you for your advice but i think cleric will be good for me because they have better healing abilities i will try cleric for about 30 lvls see how it is then rool mystic...
About the stabby fish, im a lvl 80 fish <_<b:surrender lol0 -
As healer? cleric... ofc
yet as a mys you could be the best dmg dealing (mainly on [?] bosses, which makes it easy to solo TT) except for some melee class :P0 -
Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »If you've never made a healer before, then a mystic might be good to start with. You usually won't be expected to solo heal all the time, and it'll give you time to adjust to the healer's mentality of watching your squad's hp as well as the mob's. Not to mention but you'll have a pet to help protect you early on, where as us clerics have to get through those early level's solo.
Even though I say this though, I will always prefer my cleric. I got a mystic up to level 40, but it just wasn't my style because I've been a cleric for almost 4 years and I just got used to it. =P You're a clean slate though, so you may find mystic's more your style.
Being a Mystic I'd say Mystic so long as you don't mind buying platinum spirit charms, the mana requirement for mystic skills is out outrageous - mystics cannot heal as well as clerics, but being a mystic can be fun.0 -
Siilenzex_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »well i thank you for your advice but i think cleric will be good for me because they have better healing abilities i will try cleric for about 30 lvls see how it is then rool mystic...
About the stabby fish, im a lvl 80 fish <_<b:surrender lol
Do yourself a favor... you can't get the playstyle in 30 lvls. Not with cleric at least. You won't even have a quarter of your skills at that point. EPs start to have fun about lvl 80 or so. If you only go to 30, you won't have a clue about the EP toon or how it works. Stick with it. Like I said, you can always account stash gears and wep to a mystic if you chose it later.
As you you being a stabby fish... I want a skill that makes all the stabby fish on the map fillet themselves with their own daggers. I'd call it "Spirit of Mrs Pauls"! b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mickeylee - Dreamweaver wrote: »Being a Mystic I'd say Mystic so long as you don't mind buying platinum spirit charms, the mana requirement for mystic skills is out outrageous - mystics cannot heal as well as clerics, but being a mystic can be fun.
I play both Mystic and Cleric on same account with same equips and same build. Mystic is much better at MP efficiency in most situations.
Mystics can heal better than Clerics (most situations), However Regeneration Aura includes: "cut all damage taken by 50%". Clerics also have more reliable Purify which could be argued that it's not as needed with Mystic's superior healing ability (most situations).
For DD; I prefer my Mystic by far.
Drawbacks of Mystic:
It's the one mage class that can't pull full groups of mobs in Warsong Metal safely with an AoE from range.
It's main AoE makes mobs in PvE retreat and come back. -This can be useful however for defending a Wizard in Rebirth, but it annoys the **** out of melee classes.
I'd roll both, Especially if you have the time and hate to grind. -They can share equips through an account stash.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Mystics can heal better than Clerics (most situations), However Regeneration Aura includes: "cut all damage taken by 50%". Clerics also have more reliable Purify which could be argued that it's not as needed with Mystic's superior healing ability (most situations).
exactaly, the only reason why i have a cleric lvl 75 (so i can use lvl 75 herbs :P) is to buff my mains lol0 -
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Siilenzex, I hope you have fun with your new cleric. Just remember, Blessing of the Purehearted is pretty useless to you once you get Ironheart and Wellspring.
SkogDyr - Lost City wrote: »Ummm as a sage support cleric, I would debate you on that statement.
As a demon support cleric, I know that it's pointless to attempt debating with tweakz. b:chuckle Even though of all the mystics I've seen, almost none come close to healing like clerics of their same level.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Clerics basically IH and purify 70% of the time for squads, while chromatic healing beam and regeneration aura is used for AOEs and hard hitting bosses (BB). They are more squad oriented than mystics because they have an easier time keeping the squad alive than the mystic simply because the clerics have buffs that increases defenses and reduces damage taken and purify. The real caution is from the debuffs and shielding which is why cleric is more suited for squads than mystics, not because the clerics heal better.
Mystics heal better pets / summon than venomancer due to faster channeling and they basically can heal higher than clerics, that is if they have cleric buffs. Yet they can't purify quick enough as sage/demon since purifying is chance based and they can't really reduce % of damage taken (which is a lot more important for squads than just healing). However, they make a good duoing partner with venomancer to heal their pets to literally duo dungeons.
Wizards have morning dew which is useful for single targets as long as they get good channeling morning dew can prove to be a very useful for keeping the tank alive pretty well. That have to be a seeker or barb at least, I am not sure about the other classes because they generally are squishy. However they are potent single target healers, although not as good as cleric or mystic.0 -
Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »As a demon support cleric, I know that it's pointless to attempt debating with tweakz. b:chuckle Even though of all the mystics I've seen, almost none come close to healing like clerics of their same level.
I have tanked with only a mystic healing on some bosses in TT. And it was sufficient. In some situations I would prefer a mystic over cleric because their damage and buffs and such.0 -
Mickeylee - Dreamweaver wrote: »Being a Mystic I'd say Mystic so long as you don't mind buying platinum spirit charms, the mana requirement for mystic skills is out outrageous - mystics cannot heal as well as clerics, but being a mystic can be fun.
If anything, lower level clerics would need the plat mp charms more, mystics on the other hand don't as they can 2 shot mobs through out most of their lower levels, therefore getting through more mobs mp wise than a cleric would.
But yeah, I rarely used pots unless it was in BHs, I simply used mp regen gear when I meditated and used mp powders if I really wanted to get through areas/quests faster, you can also get those 1k mp restore pots from the npc near the general from doing those dailys, just need mp management really.
On a side note though, I enjoyed the mystic a bit more than my cleric I think, simply because of all the tools you have and what you can do in instances, kind of a bit more than just sitting there holding down the regen heal every x amount of seconds.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SkogDyr - Lost City wrote: »Ummm as a sage support cleric, I would debate you on that statement.
As a pure mag sage both, I feel I'm more qualified. -sorry. You're going to outperform many mystics out there; probably most, but that's not a fault of the class.Clerics basically IH and purify 70% of the time for squads, while chromatic healing beam and regeneration aura is used for AOEs and hard hitting bosses (BB). They are more squad oriented than mystics because they have an easier time keeping the squad alive than the mystic simply because the clerics have buffs that increases defenses and reduces damage taken and purify. The real caution is from the debuffs and shielding which is why cleric is more suited for squads than mystics, not because the clerics heal better.
Mystics heal better pets / summon than venomancer due to faster channeling and they basically can heal higher than clerics, that is if they have cleric buffs. Yet they can't purify quick enough as sage/demon since purifying is chance based and they can't really reduce % of damage taken (which is a lot more important for squads than just healing). However, they make a good duoing partner with venomancer to heal their pets to literally duo dungeons.
Wizards have morning dew which is useful for single targets as long as they get good channeling morning dew can prove to be a very useful for keeping the tank alive pretty well. That have to be a seeker or barb at least, I am not sure about the other classes because they generally are squishy. However they are potent single target healers, although not as good as cleric or mystic.
Some great points here about buffs, but not with you on purify. I'm one of those Mystics that found themselves as solo healer (not by choice) on Fragrance in FF and Polearm in Wraithgate. -Didn't need or have purify (early 80s for both same for tank). To say that purify is necessary is to say that the tank can't take a single hit with a debuff on.
Another point about the buffs is that they're obtainable with DQ points, and or compensated for by another member of squad (maybe bm, seeker, etc instead of cleric which also has def buffs).
Shielding? -Don't forget L11 Salvation, or Spidervine, or Galeforce, etc.
Duoing with Veno? If veno can't heal pet sufficiently: veno is the problem. (I blame the guide to being a mooch veno they stickied). If the veno can't heal pet: put that vit they statted to good use and have them tank while you heal them. -lol
Wizard healing is a joke. Yeah it can be useful occasionally but you should never go in as healer as wiz.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »If anything, lower level clerics would need the plat mp charms more, mystics on the other hand don't as they can 2 shot mobs through out most of their lower levels, therefore getting through more mobs mp wise than a cleric would.
But yeah, I rarely used pots unless it was in BHs, I simply used mp regen gear when I meditated and used mp powders if I really wanted to get through areas/quests faster, you can also get those 1k mp restore pots from the npc near the general from doing those dailys, just need mp management really.
On a side note though, I enjoyed the mystic a bit more than my cleric I think, simply because of all the tools you have and what you can do in instances, kind of a bit more than just sitting there holding down the regen heal every x amount of seconds.
Are you kidding me? I played a VIT cleric from 1-82 without at MP charm... I barely even notice my MP was even going down at all, I never used a single potion even without mp regen gear. All I ever did in squads was basically stack IH three times and meditate, then repeat when IH buff goes out, purify/BB if needed...0 -
Are you kidding me? I played a VIT cleric from 1-82 without at MP charm... I barely even notice my MP was even going down at all, I never used a single potion even without mp regen gear. All I ever did in squads was basically stack IH three times and meditate, then repeat when IH buff goes out, purify/BB if needed...
Earlier in the game Mystic may have some MP issues. Eventually you get Clear Thoughts skill, and if you do things in a strategic order; you rarely need pots.
and Lol vit cleric? -sorry: I tried that and HATED IT. IT SUCKS HARDCORE! My guess is that you were in an OP squad that didn't need heals, you have no channeling and never solo quests. Not just that, but sitting down when you could be DD and debuffing? You're likely to get kicked from squads if you're meditating during battle.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »As a demon support cleric, I know that it's pointless to attempt debating with tweakz. b:chuckle Even though of all the mystics I've seen, almost none come close to healing like clerics of their same level.
Really? I met quite some beast mystics that did their job way better than a lot of clerics o_o[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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As a pure mag sage both, I feel I'm more qualified. -sorry. You're going to outperform many mystics out there; probably most, but that's not a fault of the class.
Some great points here about buffs, but not with you on purify. I'm one of those Mystics that found themselves as solo healer (not by choice) on Fragrance in FF and Polearm in Wraithgate. -Didn't need or have purify (early 80s for both same for tank). To say that purify is necessary is to say that the tank can't take a single hit with a debuff on.
Another point about the buffs is that they're obtainable with DQ points, and or compensated for by another member of squad (maybe bm, seeker, etc instead of cleric which also has def buffs).
Shielding? -Don't forget L11 Salvation, or Spidervine, or Galeforce, etc.
Duoing with Veno? If veno can't heal pet sufficiently: veno is the problem. (I blame the guide to being a mooch veno they stickied). If the veno can't heal pet: put that vit they statted to good use and have them tank while you heal them. -lol
Wizard healing is a joke. Yeah it can be useful occasionally but you should never go in as healer as wiz.
Salvation is good for shielding but generally defense bonuses from sage vanguard / demon SOR grants extra P.DEF, wings of protection (really excellent skill for High HP characters) and of course BB helps keep the squad taking much less damage over time. I agree that mystic does have some wonderful defensive skills to.
It is much faster if veno focuses more on amp and DDing more than healing their pets and let the mystics do the healing instead because mystics simply heal faster and much more than the veno can.
I have already stated that wizard healing is can be useful for tanks that can just take only wizards healing (IE, good barbs / seekers), it is not that reliable otherwise.Earlier in the game Mystic may have some MP issues. Eventually you get Clear Thoughts skill, and if you do things in a strategic order; you rarely need pots.
and Lol vit cleric? -sorry: I tried that and HATED IT. IT SUCKS HARDCORE! My guess is that you were in an OP squad that didn't need heals, you have no channeling and never solo quests. Not just that, but sitting down when you could be DD and debuffing? You're likely to get kicked from squads if you're meditating during battle.
I tried and hated it too, it is more comfortable with higher magic on a cleric which I agree. I can heal a lot more easier and regen more easier. If I was likely to get kicked... then that is odd that I never got kicked from squad once on my clerics regardless. If you do attack, people literally yell at healers for DDing/Debuffing. They would more likely want to kick you more if you even do a single attack than to meditate and let the heals over time kick in (this applies for one person tanking and if they are not dying, no one is arguing and the job gets done matters)0 -
As a pure mag sage both, I feel I'm more qualified. -sorry. You're going to outperform many mystics out there; probably most, but that's not a fault of the class.
Me too... well, pure mag sage ep and pure mag demon mystic. b:chuckle
I won't argue that mystic is a great toon to have. The added healing power, debuffs, awesome summons and op damage is unreal. But when you go lvl for lvl, I'd rather have a cleric healing and using purify on the barb and chromo healing the DDs. At the proper lvl, a barb is going to need purify.
Also there are other places (if you don't glitch 'em) that need the cleric for purify.
2nd boss in Frost, the boss right after heads (like anyone does 2nd half anymore after the goonz nerf I know), a couple bosses in Brim, SoT, NV... Heck, even most proper lvl barbs need an ep to put out the fire from drake in Cave of Disaster.
I love my mystic and it rocks but let it be what it was meant to be. Let it be DD and a secondary healer. (just like barbs are tanks and seekers are DDs and secondary tanks)
One way to test this would be to get rid of the bloodpaint skill... then let's see who gets called into caves more. lol NVM, the QQ from the stabby fish would drive me to drinkb:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SkogDyr - Lost City wrote: »Me too... well, pure mag sage ep and pure mag demon mystic. b:chuckle
^^ Here to bait and troll. b:bye
I tried and hated it too, it is more comfortable with higher magic on a cleric which I agree. I can heal a lot more easier and regen more easier. If I was likely to get kicked... then that is odd that I never got kicked from squad once on my clerics regardless. If you do attack, people literally yell at healers for DDing/Debuffing. They would more likely want to kick you more if you even do a single attack than to meditate and let the heals over time kick in (this applies for one person tanking and if they are not dying, no one is arguing and the job gets done matters)
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If you just want a heal job only, cleric is for you.
If you want to sometime heal and sometime DD mystic is fun cause you are not stick to only one thing.
Cleric is fun and its easy to get squad for pretty much everything, i personally just got tired after 3-4 years to only heal, but if its what you want than cleric is for you.
Just keep in mind that if you get tired of healing you will need to start a new class cause people don't want clerics as DD.
Good luck and enjoy.
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clerics make great stores and buffers,mystics you play when u are bored.This game is like washing hair with shampoo... Rinse and repeat if desired.
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »If you just want a heal job only, cleric is for you.
If you want to sometime heal and sometime DD mystic is fun cause you are not stick to only one thing.
Cleric is fun and its easy to get squad for pretty much everything, i personally just got tired after 3-4 years to only heal, but if its what you want than cleric is for you.
Just keep in mind that if you get tired of healing you will need to start a new class cause people don't want clerics as DD.
Good luck and enjoy.
Totally agree. Also; despite Mystics have clear advantage over other DD classes in the new BH SoT: It's nearly impossible to get into a squad as one, but both my sins got in first try regardless of gear. (nub player base)OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »clerics make great stores and buffers,mystics you play when u are bored.
-Yes; my cleric is my store, and buffer. I don't much enjoy sitting in BB popping MP pills waiting for fails to stop standing there drooling or whatever they're doing below the keyboard (thinking of the long waits between pulls in Warsong Metal for example).
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You'll also find many Mystics to not heal like clerics, but it might be intentional. If I out DD you and way out tank you: I'm not going to belittle myself to being your heal slave so you can go running off doing what you want slowing us down.- Be a good DD and don't aggro stuff.
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EP Bubbles and mystic either dd'd or heals.im full r9 mystic and you have to earn my heals or i let you die b:cuteb:kiss0
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tweakz , MP efficiency is of no debate after 75.
Also because you failed Vit clerics doesnt meant others will too. You are just too much of a scumbag to accept your inability to perform. Face it and stop the trolling.
To OP , starting with a mystic is easier cause people don't expect as much fro myou than if you played cleric.
Though imo if you want a challenge , go cleric all the way , you wont regret it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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